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| UCFKnight Location: UCF Posts: 211 | Why do we age? Why after we turn 20 or so does our body basically flip a switch and start to slowly kill itself. Whats the advantage? "Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men." - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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| automatic Posts: 454 | Population control would be the advantage, but that is not why the body ages. All living organisms on Earth dies eventually. Humans have relatively short lives, our lifestyle dictates our death rate. However, if we all lived forever - the planet would not be able to support all life. You get your 100 years (give or take) and then you make room for the next generation of our species. Make your mark in that 100 years, don't just be a carbon footprint that sucked life from the planet and did nothing good for it. GET OUT THERE. ![]() This is my signature. |
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![]() Volcanic Erupter Location: España Posts: 2,571 | Ugly Duckling Mole Rats Might Hold Key To Longevity Quote:
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![]() Arbiter of Weird Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,330 | Quote: There's your secret. Breeders. In the past and even in some third world countries most people don't live past 35 and never get a chance to go gray or go through menopause. In humans this limiting factor tends to be starvation or war or plagues (or predators in antiquity) and nobody is immune. There's no incentive to keep things maintained because very few get a chance to die or otherwise stop reproducing from lack of maintenance. In the mole rat, the breeders are effectively living in a well-guarded bomb shelter. If something manages to kill them it probably took out the whole colony. Pulsed metabolism is a beautifully simple reaction to this lack of major threats besides starvation and age. Destroying America one Volconvo post at a time. Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. | |
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| Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,640 | Aging is a natural process. Time passes thus, anything gets aged and increases further as time further passes...very simple and rational I think so. Apart from time factor, nature has processes moving most of them in cycle: In any material, living being in particular four, stages are obivious: appearence, growth, derioration and extinction Well, we know the basic element for survival or existence of life is oxygen. Growth is due to oxygen and so is the deterioration. So to reduce aging, one need to reduce oxygen in take. Probably in past, Hidu saint controlled their breath in various pranayamas techniques to reduce oxygen intake and reduce aging and thus, lived longer !!! Based on this theory, I think reducing agents should work as anti-aging agents, which could help in checking cell-deterioration and increase our life span. Research in this field must be interesting and beneficial. Or, at least is worth stydying !!! |
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| Market Anarchist Location: United States Posts: 650 | By the time you're 20 years of age, your face is a second generation copy of its original self. That is, your cells in your body are constantly regenerating themselves. The problem is, each successive generation is poorer in quality than the previous. Every copy has a defect, that was not present in its predecessor, and little by little you're losing information at the end of the DNA. Eventually, the entire end segment of your DNA that deals with replication is lost, and your cells can no longer regenerate. Thus, death by old age. With lifestyle, disease, congenital defect, and other factors, your mileage may vary. Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te Fortuna sinet. |
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| Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,640 | This sounds more scientific ! But do you mean that by the age of 20, the next generation cell is better than the previous one so that net result is the over all growth in the body. Then, a period arrives when next geration cells are as good as previous cells. On further aging, the inferior cells start getting replicated !!! What is the approximate duration of one generation getting changed to next generation ???? I think it is a bit different !! The cell formation and dying is a continuous process. During growth period rate of cell formation is much more than than its destruction while; this rate reverses during old age. But then, my idea of oxidation affecting this rate reversal of cell formation/decaying must have some role to play !!!! |
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| Market Anarchist Location: United States Posts: 650 | It is. It has a scientific name, too: Organismal senescence. I should add that your environment plays a role in determining lifespan, as well. Stress is an important factor with aging, since it tends to increase the process exponentially. This is a problem for the average human, since in middle age, we tend to be under the most pressure of our adult lives (kids, mortgage, finances, career, medical problems, other responsibilities, etc). In nature, stress would correspond to the threats imposed by your natural predators and the scarcity of food sources. So don't take my post above as anything but a gross simplification of the aging process. Quote:
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Well, sure, oxidative deanimation is one example of DNA damage. Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te Fortuna sinet. | |||
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![]() Mass'Debator Posts: 4,724 | I was going to mention that the major reason for death of old age is our addiction to oxygen throughout our lives, as the oxidents gradually breakdown our DNA, which in turn makes us age. A few reports I have read and watched talk about how high levels of Calcium can saturate your DNA and not only protect your DNA from Oxidents, but also can regenerate and rebuild your DNA. I've been looking for the original article I read on this, and how a high concentration of calcium in your blood system is directly related to the speed in which you age, but it's been a few years now and I have not been able to find it easily. |
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,223 | Nature has a sponsored feature on this topic: Ageing: Collections : Supplements : Nature The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant) |
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| Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,640 | Quote:
I once again recommend reduced oxygen through technique of Pranayama, old Hindu technique of breath control. Also use of some "NOVEL reducing agent" to reverse oxidative action of oxygen on life saving RNA. Researchers should find out whether it is possible !!! Thus, chance of increasing average human life span by 50% if not 100% becomes a reality. | |
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![]() superStructure Posts: 627 | How boring life would be to keep the same set of clothes through out your recycling periods. You don't want to muddy up your duds by eating to much junk, but rest assured you'll be getting a new suit every 85 years or so. I'm hoping to be a Seamstess my next time around. Aldous Huxley speech at berkley http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/hux1.ram Q&A: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/hux2.ram |
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![]() Volcanic Erupter Location: Oregon Posts: 5,148 | Quote:
The doctor on Oprah said men need sex 4 times a week. :) | |
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![]() Volcanic Erupter Location: Oregon Posts: 5,148 | Quote:
One more thought. Who has such a perfect life, s/he would want to live it an eternity? That doesn't sound good to me. | |
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![]() Mass'Debator Posts: 4,724 | Quote:
Which kind of begs the question that if oxygen has the same traits of addiction of drugs for a long period of time.... where do we as humans have the right to dictate to one another what actual drugs we can and can not use due to health concerns? Seems a bit hypocritical to me when you really think about it since we're currently dieing from the same thing that provides us life. | |
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| Human Posts: 679 | I think most of you are answering the question "how do we age" not "why do we age." The latter is a very different question. Life clearly has the capacity to sustain itself indefinitely--we happen to do so through reproduction, but there's no reason the same methods couldn't work to keep a single being alive for the same amount of time. The real question, then, is why haven't we evolved to not age? Presumably there is some fitness advantage in creating more children in a shorter time rather than living longer--that is, it's cheaper to have an additional child now, who will have a child in a generation, rather than waiting a generation yourself and start having more children again yourself. I do not know why this is so, but it's the way we should frame the question. |
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