biofuel produces more greenhouse gas than fossil fuel

[butterbut]

Rapeseed biofuel ‘produces more greenhouse gas than oil or petrol’ - Times Online

It looks it might be a really long time before we find an alternetive to fossil fuels The environmentalists are always pushing these new unproven technologies. We need to drll for more oil in the US?

[Thanatos]

You see, the environmentalists know something you don't. Growing corn and rapeseed has to suck the same mass of carbon and nitrogen out of the atmosphere as is put back in by its processing and combustion.

The oil companies know they're doomed, hence the massive smokescreen effort.

[Enlightenee]

I agree with Thanatos, he makes a very valid point and as well as this i see the near-end of fossil fuels as a bigger threat than global warming to be honest.
With this new technology the g.w threat can be extinguished easier.

[nerdvincent]

The only problem is that if we want all the cars in France to use biodiesel, we would need a corn fiel twice the area of France.
But in my opinion this can be resolved easily enough: Bus, subways, bicycle, transports needing less fuel. Plus a little genetic modification on sunflowers to produce more oil, and no more problem.
What people don't understand is that if we want to get rid of environmental and economical problem we don't need to find way to produce today's amount of energy with new alternatives. We have to use less energy, produced by new alternatives. Wind powered generator can't produce enough energy for a nation who light their house with lightbulb, but it can for a nation using LEDs.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: nerdvincent The only problem is that if we want all the cars in France to use biodiesel, we would need a corn fiel twice the area of France. But in my opinion this can be resolved easily enough: Bus, subways, bicycle, transports needing less fuel. Plus a little genetic modification on sunflowers to produce more oil, and no more problem. What people don't understand is that if we want to get rid of environmental and economical problem we don't need to find way to produce today's amount of energy with new alternatives. We have to use less energy, produced by new alternatives. Wind powered generator can't produce enough energy for a nation who light their house with lightbulb, but it can for a nation using LEDs.

Your suggestions of public transportation and bicycles may work well over there in Europe but North America is a huge continent. The cost of making public transportation available everywhere would bankrupt us. I certainly appreciate being able to walk a block to the metrorail station and take the train to work (three stops, the third being right in front of my office building) and I appreciate having the option of three or four different buses within as many blocks. I also being able to walk to and from work in less than 30 minutes. But most of my city isn't so amenable to public transportation (not to mention the fact that the fare one way is $1.50 and that's only within a single zone; once you go outside the zone it's something like another 25 cents per zone, making it prohibitive for the poorer people here - I live in the second poorest city in America among cities with a population above 250,000).

[Thanatos]

Quote by: Chancellor Your suggestions of public transportation and bicycles may work well over there in Europe but North America is a huge continent. The cost of making public transportation available everywhere would bankrupt us. I certainly appreciate being able to walk a block to the metrorail station and take the train to work (three stops, the third being right in front of my office building) and I appreciate having the option of three or four different buses within as many blocks. I also being able to walk to and from work in less than 30 minutes. But most of my city isn't so amenable to public transportation (not to mention the fact that the fare one way is $1.50 and that's only within a single zone; once you go outside the zone it's something like another 25 cents per zone, making it prohibitive for the poorer people here - I live in the second poorest city in America among cities with a population above 250,000).

You can hop on a train in a completely random town (towns, not cities, towns with railway service!) in Scotland and go all the way to some equally random town in Germany (or Italy, or Spain) with just the rail system. Everything is interconnected. Even the villages without train stations have buses.

No, it wasn't cheap to build and maintaining it is expensive, but it has yet to bankrupt the EU. All that lost productivity from traffic jams and the cost of building all our concrete spaghetti and all the extra oil used adds up pretty fast...

[nerdvincent]

Of course, the train or the bus systems arent ready for that change, but why not just develop them? It cost too much money? How much cost one billion car? How much worth the life of the coming generations?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Thanatos You see, the environmentalists know something you don't. Growing corn and rapeseed has to suck the same mass of carbon and nitrogen out of the atmosphere as is put back in by its processing and combustion. The oil companies know they're doomed, hence the massive smokescreen effort.

That is a very good point indeed. Also, the study only condemmed two products and stated that bio-fuels made from other kinds of plants did in fact out perform fosil fuels. Also, corn oil is used for lots of cooking, so is cooking with corn oil bad for the environment?

In England a judged ruled that Al Gore's movie cannot be shown in their public schools as a factual documentary by claiming that some of the facts have not yet been proven. However the teachers can show it if they inform the students about the facts not yet proven by science ( the predictions) and if the teacher informs students that the film is bias in nature. B B C did a news story on that recent court action.