Lucy is coming

[gallo]

Quote by: Technosoul The lastest report is that Hurricane Dean is heading towards the coast line of Mexico. When I last posted they did not know for sure.

Actually, they did. Houston was never more than a less than 1% chance of landfall.

Before Houston was one possible target.

Right. As possible as if your were to toss 99 heads in a row.

I do not know anything about the layout of that musem as I live in California.

Then why did you comment?

As I recall the Superdome was also "waterproof" before one hurricane proved otherwise.

I am not aware that anyone ever made such a claim. You're making that up, aren't you?

Originally as I recall they discribed it as a pre-human ancestor and some newspapers dubbed it as a "missing link" until the matter was all cleared up (which is why I referred to it as a primate).

I see the problem. You are depending on newspapers for you scientific information. A "missing link" is a term used by those who are either 120 years old, or without knowledge of evolutionary biology. Of course, the matter hasn't been "all cleared up." Why would you make such a remark if you actually knew what your were talking about? Of course, "Lucy" was a primate, just as we are primates.

Then the religious people started to holler that it was a fake and what not.

Really? Where did they claim that it was a fake?

As I recall this resulted in a lot of debates back in those days.

Back in what days?

Guess a lot of that has been forgotten by now. I would assume that Lucy is not just a monkey fossil?

Of course, your statements presume that you actually knew something before you forgot. It seems apparent that you don't know the difference between a monkey, and ape, and a hominid.

Many African Americans believe and take pride in the idea that the human family tree originated in Africa, where some of the oldest human fosils were unearthed. Not sure why.

Then why did you bring up such a silly idea. You are as closely related to any 3 million year old African ancestor as is any African American. Really, do you actually think through what you say?

Perhaps so they can believe that Adam and Eve were black people (in the image of a Black God)? But not sure how they figured that out but that's what some have told me.

How sad that you are not aware that "Adam and Eve" is mythology. It is irrelevant to reality.

I used the Beatles song "lucy in the sky with diamonds" but changed the word to "ground" because diamonds are also found in the African soil, get it?

No.

Well never mind.... just one of my "odd thoughts".

To be sure.

Both the fosil Lucy and diamonds are unearthed in Africa.

Irrelevant. Diamonds are also "unearthed" in Alaska. so what?

However the song has nothing to do with the fosil

Exactly.

(unless it's finder liked the Beatle tune and named the fosil after John Lennon's Lucy?).

No. The song was playing from the camp boom box on the day of the discovery. They just began calling the fossil "Lucy."

Lennon's song was inspired by a kids drawing that he saw.

Irrelevant.

Do you know if the Lucy tour will include So. California?

I previously mentioned the scheduled sites. It seems that you engage in discussions without actually reading what went before. I'll mention it again for those of you who pretend to discuss the topic without actually reading the topic. As far as I know, in the next 5 years, the exhibit will appear in Washington, New York, Denver, and Chicago. A conservative estimate of revenue is more than $25 million. I suspect that the museum in Ethiopia has some sort of guarantee in the millions.

[christibe]

Quote by: rez Oh and did you hear that evolutionists found that Homo habilis didn't evolve into Homo erectus. Infact they supposedly lived side by side. So where did they evolve from? Another hole in the evolutionary lie.

So, you think we think evolution is a kind of momma-figure/executioner?

Evolution does not kill those who lack the newest 'mutation'
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Gallo- I read your reply to rez and thanks, and, whatever to all that then.

I honestly do not see an issue with touring Lucy.

1. Lucy has been examined and most likely all of the information we currently know how to seek has been gathered If there were danger we (knowledge) might lose something (data) then her tour would be delayed.

2. While on tour possibly more data can be gathered from 'new' and fresh minds thereby increasing our understanding of how we evolved.

because

1. a.. Ethiopia can use the money and anything that will reduce the suffering of the modern evolved homo sapiens in that nation is better than not attempting it at all out of fear we might be 'selling out' a fossil.

Thank you very much for the heads up. :) And also I enjoy your point by points, thanks.

[gallo]

Quote by: christibe So, you think we think evolution is a kind of momma-figure/executioner? Evolution does not kill those who lack the newest 'mutation'

As I mentioned, rez got a load of Loki points for his performance in this thread. Since no fundamentalist creationist stepped in and offered such ridiculous objections, rez took up the slack by 'playing the fundie' for us.

Quote by: christibe Gallo- I read your reply to rez and thanks, and, whatever to all that then.

OK, but you still responded to him - which is good. The arguments are comical but some people don't recognize them as such.

I honestly do not see an issue with touring Lucy.

I completely understand the objections. Besides the possibility that some airplane used to transport her will go down by accident, there is also the possibility the in the U.S., some fundie nut will hear his god tell him to destroy "Lucy" because she leads mankind into sin. That likelihood is far greater than a crash. Just consider who the people of the U.S. elected as president and why.

1. Lucy has been examined and most likely all of the information we currently know how to seek has been gathered

Most likely. However, only a year or two ago someone recognized a peculiar ridge at the distal end of one of the bones of the forearm. The ridge doesn't exist in humans but does in both chimps and gorillas. Get down on your hands and knees and support your weight on your knuckles with your wrist straight. Now let your wrist bend until the heel of your hand is on the ground. Chimps and gorillas can't do that, and neither could Lucy. It is a vestigial character that Lucy retained from knuckle walking ancestors even though she was bipedal.

If there were danger we (knowledge) might lose something (data) then her tour would be delayed.

But we don't know that we know everything, so if Lucy were destroyed we would lose data.

2. While on tour possibly more data can be gathered from 'new' and fresh minds thereby increasing our understanding of how we evolved.

Doubtful in the extreme. I suspect that none of the million or so people who are going to see Lucy in the next few years are qualified to recognize any new anatomical information. I don't know if local experts (anatomists, paleontologists, anthropologists, physiologists and the like) were invited to examine the fossil here in Houston or anywhere else (I know that I didn't receive my invitation. It must be a mistake.), but the unwashed masses passing in review (me among them) aren't going to see anything new.

because 1. a.. Ethiopia can use the money and anything that will reduce the suffering of the modern evolved homo sapiens in that nation is better than not attempting it at all out of fear we might be 'selling out' a fossil.

Nobel thought but wrong. The money will not go to reducing the suffering of anyone other than the scientists at the National Museum of Ethiopia. The money will go to improve facilities at the museum so that future discoveries can be studied and described in Ethiopia.

Thank you very much for the heads up. :)

If Lucy is coming anywhere near you, I guarantee you will hear about it. Besides the constant local news stories, Lucy has also been featured on national news for a week or so.

And also I enjoy your point by points, thanks.

You're welcome.

The Lucy exhibit opens tomorrow - well, actually today, now that I look at the clock.

[christibe]

Quote by: gallo I completely understand the objections. Besides the possibility that some airplane used to transport her will go down by accident, there is also the possibility the in the U.S., some fundie nut will hear his god tell him to destroy "Lucy" because she leads mankind into sin. That likelihood is far greater than a crash. Just consider who the people of the U.S. elected as president and why. Most likely. However, only a year or two ago someone recognized a peculiar ridge at the distal end of one of the bones of the forearm. The ridge doesn't exist in humans but does in both chimps and gorillas. Get down on your hands and knees and support your weight on your knuckles with your wrist straight. Now let your wrist bend until the heel of your hand is on the ground. Chimps and gorillas can't do that, and neither could Lucy. It is a vestigial character that Lucy retained from knuckle walking ancestors even though she was bipedal. But we don't know that we know everything, so if Lucy were destroyed we would lose data. Doubtful in the extreme. I suspect that none of the million or so people who are going to see Lucy in the next few years are qualified to recognize any new anatomical information. I don't know if local experts (anatomists, paleontologists, anthropologists, physiologists and the like) were invited to examine the fossil here in Houston or anywhere else (I know that I didn't receive my invitation. It must be a mistake.), but the unwashed masses passing in review (me among them) aren't going to see anything new.

Good points.

And funny thoughts regarding Americans. Hopefully she will be well secured against our more pre-Lucy-like countrymen...

Nobel thought but wrong. The money will not go to reducing the suffering of anyone other than the scientists at the National Museum of Ethiopia. The money will go to improve facilities at the museum so that future discoveries can be studied and described in Ethiopia. If Lucy is coming anywhere near you, I guarantee you will hear about it. Besides the constant local news stories, Lucy has also been featured on national news for a week or so. You're welcome. The Lucy exhibit opens tomorrow - well, actually today, now that I look at the clock.

That's a major bummer, hopefully they'll have some heart and toss a little to public good.

Have fun at the show. :)