A point in our Universe

[Jern_Sandyer]

Any point in our universe can be infinitly large. On the flip side it can be infinatly small. We may not be able to view anything smaller then photons. That doesn't things do not exist beyond what we can detect is obsurd. If we could hypotectically view something as it is and not depend on how it effect other particles we could maginify things to the infinate small.

Opinions?

[ryanatau]

Quote by: Jern_Sandyer Any point in our universe can be infinitly large. On the flip side it can be infinatly small. We may not be able to view anything smaller then photons. That doesn't things do not exist beyond what we can detect is obsurd. If we could hypotectically view something as it is and not depend on how it effect other particles we could maginify things to the infinate small. Opinions?

I think you mean object because a point has no dimensions. I think the argument is that things that cannot be observed (such as electrons) have no place in science. The argument is that science should only posit the observable, though they do not. Smaller things may very likely exist, but they may not, the only way we can detect them is if we can observe their effects (though many people would disagree, many say detection does not prove existence because the data underdetermines the theory. Many people think that when science talks about electrons they do not mean they actually exist they are just asserting a set of empirical data.). In actuality I have no idea what you are asking. Can you clarify because it sounds interesting?

[Jern_Sandyer]

No point is the closest word for my thought. An obect has a fixed size. Sorta what I mean is that if you where to magnify and area of space and continue past ou conventional means with our current science for all we the universe is full of infinantly small spaces.

Ahh a better phrase, spacial position.

Quote by: Jern_Sandyer No point is the closest word for my thought. An obect has a fixed size. Sorta what I mean is that if you where to magnify and area of space and continue past ou conventional means with our current science for all we the universe is full of infinantly small spaces. Ahh a better phrase, spacial position.

Just a thought, Jern, but if you would spell correctly, use good grammar, and employ conventional sentence structure, it would be be easier to understand the point you're trying to make.

Regards
S.

[Kuldeep]

@sdbest

Better suggestion to Jern would be to discuss the idea in his mind with somebody in person who, after proper understanding, would frame a post message on his behalf.

I think he wants to convey something interesting but, is not able to convey properly due to lack of comand on language.

ryanatau, I admire your nice efforts to bring out some hidden meaning out of, not so clear thought. But Jern is not satisfied with that !!!

Let me empty my mind here as a guess what Jern probably mean :

We have developed a sense of dimension of space in say meteric system. Using this system, the smallest object which can be measured is Photon, or may be he means Proton or electron. This does not matter much, as far as I have understood his mind.

His second post removes the doubt that he is not talking about physical dimensions. He is imagining this universe made up of infinite points. Now these points can have imaginary dimesional limits from + inifinity to - infinity.

Under such conditions, smallest can be equivalent to largest and largest equivalent to smallest. In other words, point would be a part of whole and whole would be a part of point. In yet in other words, one in all and all in one. Finally this means duality which we physically concieve in our universe is, in absolute reality an illusion only.

Hence:
ONE AND ONLY ONE POINT EXIST WHICH HAS LIMITS FROM - INFINITY TO + INFINITY.

If that is what Jern meant I would name that imaginary ONE something as my SOMETHING (GOD), which I have explained in thread Special debate "Existence of God" in miscellaneous section.

[Technosoul]

Is it scientifically possible that our universe could be inside of a yet larger universe, are we just a drop in the bucket?

Is it scientifically possible for another universe, or universes to exist that are too small for us to see with our current technology.

[5010]

Techo, you should check out Black Holes and Baby Universes by Stephen Hawking. He explains how a universe could exist inside a black hole, and how a black hole could be very tiny, and wonders if our universe is inside a black hole that is within a larger universe.

[Jern_Sandyer]

Quote by: Kuldeep @sdbest Better suggestion to Jern would be to discuss the idea in his mind with somebody in person who, after proper understanding, would frame a post message on his behalf. I think he wants to convey something interesting but, is not able to convey properly due to lack of comand on language. ryanatau, I admire your nice efforts to bring out some hidden meaning out of, not so clear thought. But Jern is not satisfied with that !!! Let me empty my mind here as a guess what Jern probably mean : We have developed a sense of dimension of space in say meteric system. Using this system, the smallest object which can be measured is Photon, or may be he means Proton or electron. This does not matter much, as far as I have understood his mind. His second post removes the doubt that he is not talking about physical dimensions. He is imagining this universe made up of infinite points. Now these points can have imaginary dimesional limits from + inifinity to - infinity. Under such conditions, smallest can be equivalent to largest and largest equivalent to smallest. In other words, point would be a part of whole and whole would be a part of point. In yet in other words, one in all and all in one. Finally this means duality which we physically concieve in our universe is, in absolute reality an illusion only. Hence: ONE AND ONLY ONE POINT EXIST WHICH HAS LIMITS FROM - INFINITY TO + INFINITY. If that is what Jern meant I would name that imaginary ONE something as my SOMETHING (GOD), which I have explained in thread Special debate "Existence of God" in miscellaneous section.

Getting corrected about grammar and language I should go hit myself with a bamboo stick until I beat all of that hasty non-editing mind-set out of me.

I'm sorry about being vague my mind had formed a complete picture but I didn't want to ramble on for 10 pages to explain it. I should have done a much better job. Well I think I have tried (and failed) at getting forgiveness enough for now.

I find it disturbing the Kuldeep was able to extract that much of what I wanted to say. My point was in the long run that any dimensional point has a capacity to be infinitely small or large.

Technosoul's speculation brought an idea. If a universe existed within our own would it be infinitely large from the prospective of an observer within that universe? It is small relative to us but in that case; is infinity capable of being defined when compared to another infinity that is proven to be larger? Is infinity, as an undefined number have a different value in each universe within a multiverse? Would there be constants to infinity in a multiverse as each universe within it is infinity onto its own?

[Kuldeep]

I happy to see you a bit satisfied.