Research: Red Meat Linked to Cancer

[Athena]

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin No, you are missing the point, or trying to insert one where there is none. What makes you think that properly cooking red meat diminishes the possibility of contracting cancer from it? You think all the meat eaten by those persons in those studies was improperly cooked? What do you base that assumption on?

I have read charring foods increases the risk of cancer, so if one is eating a lot of barbequed meat, the problem is how the meat is cooked. I used to like my meat raw, but increased concern about the health risk of raw meat, put an end to me eating raw meat.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: Athena Are we sure the test subjects, didn't shave their arm pits and use anti prespirant?

So you give no weight to the suggestions by the American Cancer Society to shun meat or tobacco or any data collected by respected scientists and published in peer reviewed journals just because 100% of all factors cannot be controlled? Demanding absolutely 100% accountability for all factors before making a decision is a recipe for paralysis and indecisiveness.

Overwhelming and a trend in data, is the more pragmatic approach to accepting data.

[shawmutt]

Problem is, to find the benefits of a veggie diet all one has to do is do a Google search. Companies vested in the market and militant intolerant brats have tons of info out there just flooding the search engines with reasons to buy soy. To find the harm from soy and the benefit from eating meat, one has to actually read scientific journals and do a bit of legwork.

The reason for this is quite simple, and is the same reason that there seems to be more militant atheists in the world since Al Gore invented the Internets--the web is full of young, white, overfed brats who have nothing better to do than choke the internet with misinformation and biased trash. Meanwhile, us well-adjusted normal meat eaters carry on our regular lives and could care less about the whiny minority on the web, and have better things to do with our time than gather crappy data through google searches and hang out with conspiracy theorists who have 9/11 all figured out.

/rant--gotta go get my steak off the grill before all the pink is gone

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin No, you are missing the point, or trying to insert one where there is none. What makes you think that properly cooking red meat diminishes the possibility of contracting cancer from it? You think all the meat eaten by those persons in those studies was improperly cooked? What do you base that assumption on?

Red inexorably means raw - at least partially.

It doesn't matter if I have evidence for properly cooking meat diminishing the chance of cancer - you're the one making the claim. As it stands, it's merely redressing a known fact (that raw meat is unhealthy) to push vegetarianism in our faces.

[Osborn F Enready]

Air and water consumption linked to human death.... OMGNooooz!

I'm sorry, but this is just more scare tactics from the "possible, and maybe likely" links to everything under the sun.

[fushigi]

What an unbelievably cynical and illogical statement.

Just to battle your ignorant statement with logic, I'll proceed.

100% of people who breathe air and drink water die. That is true. This doesn't mean that avoiding air and water will make you immortal.

Kudos for pointing that completely irrelevant fact out. However, it DOESN'T BENEFIT US ONE BIT.

But when you compare women who eat one serving of red meat daily with those who DON'T

and show that the ones who DO are MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP BREAST CANCER, by 56%

THAT'S evidence SHW is posting that can actually BENEFIT US. You should thank him for informing us with information that can protect the women we know instead of mocking him.

How disrespectful.

[DEEJ85]

Just to clarify terms here,

SHW are you defining red meat as "meat that comes from cows or particular animal" ?

Kame are you defining red meat as "meat that is partially raw and not cooked thoroughly" ?

I am correct in these definitions?
lets make sure we are using the same term here, or we will end up arguing about two different things.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: DEEJ85 Just to clarify terms here, SHW are you defining red meat as "meat that comes from cows or particular animal" ? Kame are you defining red meat as "meat that is partially raw and not cooked thoroughly" ? I am correct in these definitions? lets make sure we are using the same term here, or we will end up arguing about two different things.

Hi DEEJ,

It is clear K has no idea what is commonly meant when referring to red meat. Rather than mere ignorance on the topic, I attribute that to his inexperience in life at this point. He just hasn`t been around long enough to come across the terms in how they are meant to be used. That can be seen by his thought that the term is related to how the meat is cooked.

Maybe Wiki can unconfuse him.

Red meat in culinary terminology refers to meat which is red-colored when raw, while in nutritional terminology, it refers to meat from mammals.

...

the meat of adult mammals, such as beef, mutton, and horse is invariably considered "red",...

In nutrition, "red meat" is synonymous with "mammal meat."

...

Red meat does not refer to how well a piece of meat is cooked or its coloration after cooking. A steak or hamburger is a red meat whether it is served rare and bloody, or cooked until it is brown or gray, or even burnt to a crisp;

[Kamehameha34]

I concede that point, but there's no need to be belligerent about it. It discourages myself from posting with the suitable decorum I've been exhibiting - All because you felt you had to get in a snide comment. You'd lose points in a debate for that.

Anyway, being out in the sun every day severely increases your risk for cancer.

Introduction to Skin Cancer

I'm still willing to risk it.

[fushigi]

You can wear sunscreen. Why? To get less sun.

What's your protection against the cancer-causing effects of red meat?

Eat less of it. Why? To get less red meat.

fushigi

BTW, I agree, the assault was a tad over the top, SHW. It was an honest mistake on Kame's part - no need to pull out the big guns. Heck, for the most part, for a 14-year old, the kid's friggin Einstein.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: fushigi BTW, I agree, the assault was a tad over the top, SHW. It was an honest mistake on Kame's part - no need to pull out the big guns. Heck, for the most part, for a 14-year old, the kid's friggin Einstein.

Fair enough.

Sorry, K.

[Praxius]

Yeah, as mentioned before, everything around us gives us cancer.... it's not much of a suprise.

People are giving up things they enjoy, to lose a few pounds to look good, people wrap their kids up in bubble wrap and foam up the arse when they go bike riding now a days, you can't eat meat because it'll give you cancer, you can't eat vegitables, because you can get bacterial infections, or some kind of fungi, you can't smoke in public because some people might die from second hand smoking.

People are giving up cooking oils, hydronated crap, basically all for the fear of cancer.....

Cancer is rampant in my family, but I'm not about to let the possibility of me getting cancer isolate my living to a frigging plastic bubble, with capsule formed food, genetically engineered to give me the proper amount of nutrients to survive for one day, and reduce the amount of toxins that may enter my body.....

frig people... live a little. Maybe the sole reason why Cancer is so rampant is because we let the fear and misunderstanding of cancer control our lives to the point where everything and anything can and will cause cancer..... It's probably something created by the brain like how you can think yourself sick and get rashes, vomit and break blood vessils just by mentally thinking you're sick.

You got a lump in your skin.... chances are it's probably a cyst.... but you fear it's cancer, so it develops into cancer..... go figure.... People keep wondering what triggers cancer, what causes cancer and how to deal with it.... perhaps the direction people should be looking is in the brain and thought patterns, not at the source of where it developed.

I'll continue smoking, drinking, eating my red meat, eating my spinish in my can, and playing my video games two feet away from the TV screen.... I'm not letting it control my life.

If I get cancer, whoopie... I'm satisfied with my life as it is now, even though I am only 27.... I at least can say I lived my life.

[DEEJ85]

I think a lot of disagreements from this site come from disagreement in terms and can result in utter frustration as why someone won't concede an obvious point.

Maybe we should start off our posts with an obvious definition of terms, even if it seems obvious to everyone. Just for the sake of precision.


I find it odd that a natural food source such as meat itself can be the cause of cancer. Any other food source that I know that could possibly cause cancer has been processed until it is in a unnatural state Or has been deep fried or smothered in oil or grease which is also an unnatural result.

Meat itself is a natural food source, Why would it cause disease in human? We are omnivorous (this is evolutionary fact) so why would our natural food source hurt us?


we do not see other omnivores such as bears, or carnivores such as lions running around with giant lumps on their bodies or heart disease ( or more precisely, we don't see them with these conditions caused directly by meat eating)

shouldn't they be as affected or more greatly affected then us?

[Praxius]

Quote by: DEEJ85 I think a lot of disagreements from this site come from disagreement in terms and can result in utter frustration as why someone won't concede an obvious point. Maybe we should start off our posts with an obvious definition of terms, even if it seems obvious to everyone. Just for the sake of precision. I find it odd that a natural food source such as meat itself can be the cause of cancer. Any other food source that I know that could possibly cause cancer has been processed until it is in a unnatural state Or has been deep fried or smothered in oil or grease which is also an unnatural result. Meat itself is a natural food source, Why would it cause disease in human? We are omnivorous (this is evolutionary fact) so why would our natural food source hurt us? we do not see other omnivores such as bears, or carnivores such as lions running around with giant lumps on their bodies or heart disease ( or more precisely, we don't see them with these conditions caused directly by meat eating) shouldn't they be as affected or more greatly affected then us?

That's what I'm trying to get at.... everybody is looking at everything as being a source of cancer, when you have to go a level up from that and find what's connecting all of these things.... lung cancer, breast cancer, brain cancer, heart cancer, liver cancer, cancer of the arse, testicular cancer, etc....

You can get cancer of the toe ffs..... so what exactly would cause all of these different things happening in different locations as different stages, at different times in your life?

I think research should be done on emotional, mental, physical and enviromental conditioning of the brain.

Has anybody ever noticed when someone has a lump, it could be there for years, but once it get a bit irritated and you decide to get it checked out, that once a doctor says they've got cancer, in a few months after that, they die? They get so involved in the fact that they have cancer and they're gonna die, that their own health deteriorates, the cancer grows and that's it.

I'm almost convinced there is something related to the brain and cancer and how your body adapts to it.

[brien]

When I buy say, ground beef, I have the option to either buy the normal stuff (which has all the regular fat in it) Or I can buy lean ground beef which has substantially less fat and much healthier

Try ground Buffalo meat. Eat it rare and juicy. It is 98% fat free and absolutely delicious, if you like beef. I prefer Buffalo burgers and ground Buffalo meat to ground beef anyday.

[brien]

crappy data through google searches

I prefer to use Ask.com Search Engine - Better Web Search search engine. It brings up a wider variety of selections.

[brien]

If I get cancer, whoopie... I'm satisfied with my life as it is now, even though I am only 27.... I at least can say I lived my life.

Now Prax,with all due respect, this is another one of your immature statements. You minimize the effects of cancer when you have no experience with the disease. So please, leave the effects of this insidious disease to those of us who battle it on a daily basis. Believe me when I assure you, you don't want to ever look into the Dr's eyes as he/she tells you you have cancer. Just take my word for it there, guy.

I am not trying to tell you how to live or not to live, as some others may do here, all I am saying is please don't take cancer with the cavalier attitude I saw your post.

[brien]

If the data shows that there is a risk of cancer by eating red meat, then it is the repsonsibility of the people who discover this, to release it to the public. And it is the public's responsibility to accpet it, or not, individually. I can't see how the data can harm anyone but if we don't have the data, and it is true, it can harm us by not having access to it.

[Praxius]

Quote by: brien Now Prax,with all due respect, this is another one of your immature statements. You minimize the effects of cancer when you have no experience with the disease. So please, leave the effects of this insidious disease to those of us who battle it on a daily basis. Believe me when I assure you, you don't want to ever look into the Dr's eyes as he/she tells you you have cancer. Just take my word for it there, guy. I am not trying to tell you how to live or not to live, as some others may do here, all I am saying is please don't take cancer with the cavalier attitude I saw your post.

Trust me, I'm pretty sure I've got some problems... esspecially with this lil lump in my back that's been there for the last 4 years.... sometimes it gets big, sometimes I don't know it's there, sometimes it's irritated, sometimes it's not..... I should get it checked out, but meh.

Just having my uncle pass away from lung cancer just a few months ago, my father, sister and my mother having to have cancer removed from their skin, my grandparents on both sides having cancer removed, seeing the sicknesses they have suffered and gone through, it has not directly affected myself (Although as stated above, I aknowlege that it will come soon enough) I have experienced their own suffering, their pain, my families pain in watching them waste away..... I know plenty well what is going on and what I am talking about..... just because I hold a different perspective on cancer then you do, doesn't mean my comments are immature..... I choose to look at cancer in a more positive manner the most.... just because you can't look for a possible future with it, and look past the problems and look for other solutions, doesn't mean I shouldn't.

I've already expressed a few times, I have accepted my mortality and that I will go eventually, some way, some how, by something....... I am less ignorant then you realize and just because my opinions don't match yours, doesn't make them any less of value, thank you.

Everybody will die eventually, and 99% of the time, it's not going to be pleasent.... there will be suffering, there will probably be pain... it might be fast, it might be slow.... but you'll only have to go through it once in your life. Whether I get cancer and die, or I get hit by a bus, or squished by a 400lb woman from making the bad decision of getting drunk with her, having sex with her, and getting her on top...... death may or may not suck..... but I'm willing to face it, are you?

I treat everyday as an extra bonus.

[brien]

....... I am less ignorant then you realize and just because my opinions don't match yours, doesn't make them any less of value, thank you.

I don't recall calling you ignorant. I merely expressed an opinion that you treat cancer with a seemingly cavalier attitude. I am sorry to learn of all of the illness around you and in your family. Imo, it warrants an even more vigilant outlook on your part, because it seems a though it is "genetic" in your family and it is never to early to begin the fight. Best of luck to you and your family.