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The Bacon Guy · Apr 9, 2007, 06:55 pm

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I think I remember reading once that soap doesn't "clean" anything.

It's highly "basic" and as such, doesn't so much clean skin as it does "burn" off the dirty layer.

Did you read it on an advert for pH neutral soap?

None of that is true. Soap is very weakly basic, and it works via the hydrophobic and hydrophilic ends of the fatty acid salt binding to the dirt and the water respectively; not by dissolving your skin.

**Pooeypants** · Apr 9, 2007, 07:09 pm

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Drug companies and doctors have to stop sleeping with each other, business-wise. I also think we have too a mechanical view of the human body. Not operating exactly right? Just change the chemical mix and... problem solved!!!! There's are reasons why our bodies maintain a certain chemical and biological balance, and even if there's an imbalance I often wonder if just shifting it is always the wisest approach.

30 years ago my father said that, for example, cutting cholesterol is problematic because the body produces it naturally. From my experience the cure is worse than the problem. Plus I remember him citing several cases when no matter what they gave the patient the numbers remained high. My grandmother was just such a case, and her condition didn't kill her. She died, always excessively obese, at well over 100, of... being well over 100.

Plus, could the long term effects be worse than the "cure," or adjustment, of whatever condition we take drugs for? Especially when combined with multiple altering substances.

I'm not anti-drug, just think we need to be more careful and more thoughtful.

The problem comes when the drive for cure is not pushed by the need to relieve others suffering, it is to generate profit. That's a fact. If there's no market for the stuff, then no one wants to look into it. Or in some cases, make issues out of thin air and sell the "cure" to it. Medicine and business should be kept separate but I guess its too late for that now.

pikatore · Apr 9, 2007, 08:35 pm

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Did you read it on an advert for pH neutral soap?

None of that is true. Soap is very weakly basic, and it works via the hydrophobic and hydrophilic ends of the fatty acid salt binding to the dirt and the water respectively; not by dissolving your skin.

It doesn't only bind to dirt, but grease and oil. That's why your skin feels a bit too dry for comfort after washing it with soap - your natural oils were drained off the skin as well.

Though, I can imagine that soap, whilst cleaning the skin, can do damage to the skin by cleaning a little bit too thourougly.

ZNFYRH · Apr 9, 2007, 10:14 pm

The Bacon Guy,
pikatore,

Thanks for clearing that up!

Maybe I was thinking of lye as a cleaner, who knows, but that's great info.

It also explains, still, why you wouldn't want it in your body cavity.

liberalscum · Apr 9, 2007, 11:11 pm

hmmm.

I've spent 17 of the last 23 monthsw in shock trauma/ICU and rehab. I'm a believer in modern medicine and high tech toys. Gwet a flesh-eating infection sometime and you'll agree.

I have "issues" with drug comjpanies, sure, but they do produce so-called orphan drugs with teeny markets,j

Jahosacat · Apr 11, 2007, 06:31 pm

The way they can diagnose things has changed thru the years. 30 years ago aneurysms were fatal. Now x-ray technology and surgery has advaced to the point where if caught soon enough they can be repaired. My late husband was diagnosed in 2000 with a rare type of brain cancer that still has no proven cure. He died in late May 2000. His cancer was found via an MRI. There ARE brain tumors that are now found and can be removed with the patient going on to lead a normal life.

Rehab has come a long way, too. Some stroke patients come out of rehab and lead normal lives.

But, with those advances come decisions patients and families need to make about quality of life.

sevendogs · Apr 18, 2007, 05:32 am

Nowadays, Hippocrates oath is meaningless. It is rather just a hypocrisy. Hospitals make money first.

Sarah22 · Apr 18, 2007, 09:20 am

Additionally, when people don't just use soap and water, the body becomes resistent to these disinfectants. That's why you should buy alcohol-based products rather than antimicrobial products.

Century 25 · May 2, 2007, 01:15 am

..it is the medical "industry" - and the poor med student & interns.. all they know is what was (or wasn't) crammed into their sleep-deprived heads.. and when they enter practice the druggies court them with all the goodies.. freebies.. then push the latest reformulated wonder pill.. "this is the drug of choice"

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Is anyone surprised by these findings? I certainly am, even though I'm not a medical student I do study certain aspects (microbiological) and they never taught me that using simple soap and water is just as effective as disinfectant skin gel for use prior to surgery.

..no.. not surprising.. seems we must learn the hard way.. the wheel must be reinvented every few years.. and gee.. how the hell did Flemming come up with penicillin.. without computers.. and no vast labs full of techs..?? ..then too.. Dr Salk.. my my.. he found a vaccine to prevent polio.. with the few grad students & ancient technology back then.. and polio.. is a viral disease.. like rabies.. another old one was TB.. and all the iron lungs.. all the sanatoriums.. all the rehab$$$$$$.. evaporated.. wow.. guess the AMA & druggies woke up.. big time.. so.. why should they ever go for a cure..?? cancer is major $$$ profits..

I guess filth plays into profits via a sick(er) population.. $$$

pikatore · May 2, 2007, 08:49 am

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why should they ever go for a cure..?? cancer is major $$$ profits..

Finding a cure would make them stinking rich, and make them go down in history's hall of fame. I believe they are a bit more motivated than you make them out to be.

Century 25 · May 2, 2007, 08:31 pm

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Finding a cure would make them stinking rich, and make them go down in history's hall of fame. I believe they are a bit more motivated than you make them out to be.

They already are stinking.. and rich.. Here are a couple of sites for you.. and et al to peruse:

HONEST MEDICINE: My Dream for the Future: Help Me Save Michael Moore's Movie, SICKO!

and: THE WHISTLE BLOWER Confessions of a Healthcare Hitman

also watch for the movie "Sicko" - Mikey is a master of expose'

Too many people are very ignorant of reality in America. naivete' is easy to exploit..

Apr 9, 2007, 10:14 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375	The Bacon Guy, pikatore, Thanks for clearing that up! Maybe I was thinking of lye as a cleaner, who knows, but that's great info. It also explains, still, why you wouldn't want it in your body cavity.

Apr 9, 2007, 11:11 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
liberalscum A dangerous man Location: In a town where some seniors still have their subpeionas to appear before Joe McCarthy Posts: 6	hmmm. I've spent 17 of the last 23 monthsw in shock trauma/ICU and rehab. I'm a believer in modern medicine and high tech toys. Gwet a flesh-eating infection sometime and you'll agree. I have "issues" with drug comjpanies, sure, but they do produce so-called orphan drugs with teeny markets,j

Apr 11, 2007, 06:31 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
Jahosacat Sedimentary Rock Posts: 2	The way they can diagnose things has changed thru the years. 30 years ago aneurysms were fatal. Now x-ray technology and surgery has advaced to the point where if caught soon enough they can be repaired. My late husband was diagnosed in 2000 with a rare type of brain cancer that still has no proven cure. He died in late May 2000. His cancer was found via an MRI. There ARE brain tumors that are now found and can be removed with the patient going on to lead a normal life. Rehab has come a long way, too. Some stroke patients come out of rehab and lead normal lives. But, with those advances come decisions patients and families need to make about quality of life.

Apr 18, 2007, 05:32 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
sevendogs Igneous Magma Location: Virgnia, USA Posts: 425	Nowadays, Hippocrates oath is meaningless. It is rather just a hypocrisy. Hospitals make money first.

Apr 18, 2007, 09:20 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Sarah22 Asian Sensation Posts: 153	Additionally, when people don't just use soap and water, the body becomes resistent to these disinfectants. That's why you should buy alcohol-based products rather than antimicrobial products.