Unlimited Free Energy - Now

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: Dilligras Doubt is good.......dismissal without investigation is nuts.

I am totally open to changing my mind, but remain highly doubtful at the moment.

Newman's machine has NEVER been promoted as a perpetual motion machine

OK...

The finsrud sculpture is touted as such. Not debunked yet, either, to my knowledge.

[dilligras]

Quote by: Captain Chaos I think it traditionally has meant that, though. The idea being that you get more out than you put in, without any additional outside source of energy contributing to the output.

True, but that is not what is happening with Newman's machine. It makes use of potential energy that exists within the coil, released by the introduction of a MOVING magnetic field. The energy released also keeps the magnet moving; This is probably the best description of the process.

A PRELIMINARY QUANTIFICATION OF NEWMAN'S EFFECT by Larry Adams Joseph Newman has experimentally derived a magnetic field from a coil connected to high potential. As shall be seen in the following, this is a complementary effect to that found in ferromagnetic resonance. This effect does not contradict Oersted, since it depends on an entirely different set of suppositions unknown to Oersted and now known as a part of condensed matter physics. After studying ferromagnetic resonance theory for nine years it comes as no surprise to me that Newman has proven a corollary to the relationship of fields and spinning dipoles in matter. He has completed the symmetry. While it is well known that magnetic fields cause the precession of elementary magnetic moments and that precessing moments produce a magnetic field, the role of the electric field, the other half of the symmetry, has not until now been explained. An electric field is known to cause spinning electric dipoles to precess. Precessing elementary electric dipoles are, at the same time, precessing elementary magnetic moments. Precessing electrons have BOTH characteristics. The ratio e/m means two things simultaneously. Of course, charge to mass, influenced by electric fields, but also the ratio is the ratio of magnetic moment to angular momentum of the electron, influenced by magnetic fields. We are not dealing here with the usual source of magnetism, a conductive flow of electrons. Rather, it is the precession of electrons that is crucial. The precession tends to align the magnetic moments parallel; by superposition, a net magnetic field emerges. Newman's effect, then, is that a high electrical potential across a solid copper coil of radius r causes the precession of electrons in the copper, yielding a magnetic field. If the angular frequency of precession is w and the ratio e/m is y (mksa units) then the magnetic flux density is: B = w / y An identity for B is: B = E / wr where E is the applied electric field. Solve for w in the first equation (w = yB) then substitute this expression into the identity for w. Multiply both sides by B, and, B^2 = E / yr or, B = sqrt(E / yr). Maxwell's equations are linear because they refer to a vacuum. The non-linearity between E and B above is connected with the presence of mass and spin. Can very large electric fields be applied without breakdown? Theoretically, if r = 1m and E = 1.76 x 10^11 V/m, B = 1 Tesla. The current through the coil is marginal to insignificant as related by Newman. Power = V^2 / R so the length and diameter of the copper forming the coil must be chosen to minimize the resistance. B will alternate (pole switch) with an alternating potential. Larry Adams

Quote by: Captain Chaos People have been touting free energy from combinations of magnets and wires for decades. Somehow or other, it never quite seems to work out.

True, Newman produced his first prototype more than 20 years ago. What has not "worked out" is his attempts to get his government to acknowledge that it does indeed work, due to their well documented and easily verified obstructions.

Fortunately for the future prospects of the technology, Newman published his theory and others abroad have been developing it also. It would be the definition of injustice if our government succeeds in suppressing the breakthrough of an American inventor, while others like China and Japan use it to get off the oil dependency.


Carry on.

[dilligras]

You folks don't know as much as I do about the conservation of energy, 'cause my electric bill was less than $50 last month.

[dwightcallaway]

If I could offer a suggestion regarding making up your own minds about whether Free energy (over-unity, zero point, etc.) technologies work or not, or whether they make sense to you - theoretically - or not.

Why not just forget about trying to figure it out theoretically and just look at the empirical evidence of performance. Look at the free information on the Internet, including photos of machines, videos, testimonials of scientist witnesses who have put their instrumentation on the machines to measure input and output, etc.

Now, some of you are capable of grasping the theory and I admire you. But many of us are not. I am certainly not.

I used to own a copy of Joe Newman's book explaining his theory of matter, electricity, "gyroscopic particles" and I could get to about chapter 4 before I "went under". And I have a degree in engineering.

I am using a computer right now and don't have a clue, how it works. Same thing for lots of other machines. I just know that it does work and I can use it.

My point again is that there is lot's of good evidence on the Internet that will help to convince you that this stuff works. Or at least that some of these technologies work and some are very practical - capable of being scaled up to put out useful amounts of HP or KW.

BTW, and I don't want to be wet blanket on some of you, but I checked the Steorn machine website. And what I read is they claim over 100% efficiency. If it is only just over 100%, this device will not work in the practical world. The units will not be useful. Somewhere in the literature and years ago, I think in reference to Dr. Bruce DePalma's N-Machine was the statement that a FE device needs to be way over 100% to be viable and practical. It needs to be 300% or even higher to make it pay in the real world. Some FE technologies are infinitely efficient. There is no input needed. But if there is input, you gotta get a big payoff or it will only be a laboratory experiment.

Dwight

[dilligras]

DC~~
Great post......I learned how do do quotes and stuff by hitting the "quote" button on a post that has a feature I would like to duplicate......then all the code showing how it was done appears in the message window.



Carry on:)

[Nathan Struth]

reeeeer

[dilligras]

Water Powered Car Video

This car runs on water, according to the inventor, and would not not involve swapping motors to get free energy....even better.


Carry on.

[gallo]

Quote by: dilligras Designating his design as such was merely a ploy by the nimrods at the Patent Office who fear the impact on the economy by the elimination of so much energy infrastructure, IMO.

Then your opinion is nuts. Put up the prototype and submit it to the US Patent Office. That's all that they ask. If you can't produce the prototype, then you are talking flatulence.

[gallo]

Quote by: dilligras You folks don't know as much as I do about the conservation of energy, 'cause my electric bill was less than $50 last month.

But that doesn't prove anything. You claim to be special without telling us why. My electric bill is half of most of my neighbors. Two of my neighbors have negative electric bills during the summer. Do you heat/AC with electricity? Do you cook with electricity? Do you heat water with electricity? I suspect not. Why don't you tell us about all of your utility bills, how big your home is, and how many meals you actually cook at home. Do you actually shower every day?

So tell me something I don't know about energy conservation.

[PatrickHenry]

You guys try reading Voodoo Science by Robert Park. Perpetual motion, indeed... Snicker.

[Captain Chaos]

So...

Explain to me again, in the Newman machine, where extra energy is coming from?

[dwightcallaway]

Explain to me again, in the Newman machine, where extra energy is coming from?

Newman's theory is that the copper in the windings of the motor is being converted into energy at the rate of E=mc2. According to Newman, there is so much energy in matter that it will be decades before the reduction of mass of the windings degrades performance.

Conventional electric motors burn up or otherwise need rewinding sometimes, plus in decades the device would possibly be obsolete anyway.

I am not up on Newman's latest incarnations of his motors. He now seems to be saying they will run on lower voltages (when I studied him the voltage was very high and the amperage could be very low) Exactly the opposite of conventional motors.

As I suggested above, look for performance data and other evidence primarily and don't worry so much about understanding theory. Go watch his long free movie on his site. You would have gotten the answer to your question above.

My gut tells me Newman will never be successful commercially. I will not explain to you why. It has nothing to do with his technology or theory. I think the US Navy has possibly already stolen his technology for ship propulsion. Study his story and decide for yourself.

My point is that we (bystanders) should widen the lens and look at more of these techologies and not fixate on one.

Dwight Callaway

[rcne]

Quote by: Captain Chaos So... Explain to me again, in the Newman machine, where extra energy is coming from?

It's all dark to me. Just a cosmology joke. Dark energy, dark matter, energy of the vacuum, Tesla, Maxwell etc. The point is that there is always room for physics to alter our science possibilities.

That is the evolution of science, the fringe becomes mainstream after experiments can replicate the process.

Has anyone ever viewed the first prototype circular particle accelerator; it looked like a modified teakettle. But the science it opened up is quite phenomenal.

[dilligras]

Quote by: gallo Then your opinion is nuts. Put up the prototype and submit it to the US Patent Office. That's all that they ask. If you can't produce the prototype, then you are talking flatulence.

I'll thank you not to characterize my opinion without viewing the evidence I provided....I know you didn't, because it exactly counters your above statement, meaning that you need to furnish something more than just crass bloviation in order to refute it.

Once again, for the hearing impaired....

THE ORIGINS OF THE PATENT BATTLE

THE ORIGINS OF THE PATENT BATTLE


As you were.

[Epistemologist]

Maybe you'll find this video about a company claiming to utilize the concept of overunity relevant.

It doesn't really shed much light on its actual processes, and I'm still extremely skeptical, but it's more information I suppose.

Quote by: gallo Are you claiming that the 2nd LoT is incorrect? (Yes you are.)

He's at least considering the possibility that it may be incorrect, even though it may just be a feeble hypothesis. Yes, investigation is warranted, but I think that many of us who've visited this thread have at least considered the possibility of the lack of infallibility of the laws vis-a-vis the possibility of overunity.

[dilligras]

Quote by: gallo But that doesn't prove anything. You claim to be special without telling us why. My electric bill is half of most of my neighbors. Two of my neighbors have negative electric bills during the summer. Do you heat/AC with electricity? Do you cook with electricity? Do you heat water with electricity?

Yes I do. No gas. No solar. No wind or other source of energy. All electric.
And I never turn off my pc or my stereo rcvr/amp. My TV is my monitor for the pc (55 in. Projector) and stays ON for all but the 4 or 5 hours I sleep.

I suspect not. Why don't you tell us about all of your utility bills, how big your home is, and how many meals you actually cook at home. Do you actually shower every day?

Your suspicions are of little to no interest......I don't keep my Electric bills after I pay them, but the highest during the year was about $80 I think, the lowest around $35, and the average likely close to $55 or so.......my apt. is only about 770 sq. ft., I cook dinner the 5 nights a week I'm usually home at that time, breakfast maybe 3 or 4 times a wk.....showers usually daily except the 2 nights I'm gone.....every other wk or so I might go a couple days without when all I do is lay around on the recliner, posting nonsense with fools similar to myself......how ya doin' by the way?

So tell me something I don't know about energy conservation.

Obviously, I would have to know first what you know in order to discern what you don't.......so instead I will just tell you how I do it.


I live alone.......I installed a timer on the water heater, so that it comes on 30 min. before I fall awake.......I turn it off BEFORE I climb in the shower, so that I am not needlessly heating water that will just sit and get cold while I'm gone........I turned the thermostat down on the water heater, so that I can stand in it without using cold water TO COOL THE WATER I JUST PAID TO HEAT!! --- (CAUTION, do NOT do this if you leave your H2O heater on all the time, because water sitting at that temp is a perfect medium for the bacteria that cause Legionaire's disease)..........In the summer, my AC is set to 65 - 75 deg, in the winter, 60 deg.....I use a circulating fan in the summer and a small electric space heater is keeping the toes comfy as we speak.........I prefer to be cool, but I can stand it when it's warm without running the A/C all day.......



As you were.

[dilligras]

Good news! I will be involved in trying to convert my '62 Chevy Corvair van so that it will run on water, not steam, without the replacement of the motor that would be necessary with one of Newman's motors.

I will be using information discovered online to add a water tank, pump, control circuitry (I am formally trained as an electronics tech in the Navy) and some very funny material, called chemalloy, that is normally used as a solder for welding aluminum.

I will be happy to report the progress here and answer any question I'm able to, and welcome any constructive criticism or suggestions along the way.

Here is the site about the process....

Flight of Fire Enterprises
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Flight of Fire Enterprises
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Flight of Fire Enterprises - Chemalloy Recipe
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Flight of Fire Enterprises


Carry on....

[dilligras]

In case any are wondering what a corvair van looks like:

eBay Motors: Chevrolet : Corvair (item 260084743510 end time Feb-14-07 18:51:28 PST)

[dilligras]

BTW, the van has a six cylinder, rear-mounted, air-cooled engine, developing 110 hp, and the body has been modified with an extension on the roof, so that you can stand upright inside if you're under 6 ft. tall.

I also installed fully reclining Volvo bucket seats in the cab, Alpine stereo cassete driving 3-way speakers with 12 in. drivers in the rear corners, and a 2-spd Powerglide automatic tranny, with the shifter on the dash.

It was my "hippie" van, when I lived in a commune in N. California, in the 70's....remind me sometime to recount the story of the time I had 'er up on two wheels at about 50 mph.


Carry on

[Captain Chaos]

Newman's theory is that the copper in the windings of the motor is being converted into energy at the rate of E=mc2.

So, with a sensitive scale, one should be able to measure a steady decrease in the mass of the motor while it is running?