Does marijuana make you stupid?

[Jack]

those people who need to get their coffee fix everyday at the same time.

Oh man. First you guys diss grass, and now you're bad-mouthing coffee.

And I'm sitting here with a bowl and a cup.

Quit trying to ruin my Friday night.

[Osborn F Enready]

Isherwood said: Oh man. First you guys diss grass, and now you're bad-mouthing coffee. And I'm sitting here with a bowl and a cup. Quit trying to ruin my Friday night.

.....yea man..... what he said.

[kubedawg]

Quote by: brien Logjam; Once could make the same claim about any mind altering substance. You have taken the argument to the absurd. Congratulations. I have known every type of person you listed in your post to smoke pot. A reasonable person will partake in a reasonable fashion and not let it affect their profession. I don't think any reasonable person would advocate what you have outlined in your post. Therefore, it probably is irrelevant to this thread. However, your sarcasim is duly noted but I fail to see how it is constructive to the thread..

Why NOT post the extreme opposite? By not doing that, it is still favored more torwards people not smoking, but posting an extreme like this lets more people question both extremes and decide for themselves. Although I don't agree with every point he tried to make, he did enough to hopefully generate a few people's minds to start funtioning and decide for themselves.

I didn't notice any emoticons in his post, and therefore, although with certain skepticism, I take his post seriously. I have never heard of a judge who smoked pot. I've never heard of a race car driver who smokes. Thinking practically is the key in many cases for success. Giving examples as opposed to someone who just says marijuana should be legalized, makes one wonder if there are more practical uses for this drug.

[Praxius]

Quote by: kubedawg Why NOT post the extreme opposite? By not doing that, it is still favored more torwards people not smoking, but posting an extreme like this lets more people question both extremes and decide for themselves. Although I don't agree with every point he tried to make, he did enough to hopefully generate a few people's minds to start funtioning and decide for themselves. I didn't notice any emoticons in his post, and therefore, although with certain skepticism, I take his post seriously. I have never heard of a judge who smoked pot. I've never heard of a race car driver who smokes. Thinking practically is the key in many cases for success. Giving examples as opposed to someone who just says marijuana should be legalized, makes one wonder if there are more practical uses for this drug.

Like... Hello.......

Canadian Snowboarder Retains Olympic Gold Medal After Testing Positive For Marijuana; Canadian Debate on Marijuana Decriminalization Prompted

Dispute?

[Fonceai]

Ha!

I was trying to think of the best way to answer the topic question when it occurred to me!!

Marijuana doesn't make you stupid.

You have to be stupid to try it in the first place!!

HA!!

[Praxius]

Quote by: Fonceai Ha! I was trying to think of the best way to answer the topic question when it occurred to me!! Marijuana doesn't make you stupid. You have to be stupid to try it in the first place!! HA!!

HA..... that's so funny... Ha ha..... Haa haaa haaaaa.......

:rolleyes:

[Praxius]

Quote by: Isherwood Oh man. First you guys diss grass, and now you're bad-mouthing coffee. And I'm sitting here with a bowl and a cup. Quit trying to ruin my Friday night.

I think that was my comment, lol. I wasn't trying to diss it.... I was saying, that if those are acceptable, why not weed?

[Fonceai]

What's the matter?

Can't handle the opposite side of the spectrum on the pot-smoking issue?

There are other ways to spend time and money that aren't illegal.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Fonceai What's the matter? Can't handle the opposite side of the spectrum on the pot-smoking issue?

I can if there is a logical backing of information on that side of the spectrum. To say someone is stupid for trying it in the first place, isn't a worth while response, nor defense.

There are other ways to spend time and money that aren't illegal.

Yeah, like giving it to some poor hungry child in Africa so they can get an education and food..... pssh.

Instead of blowing my money of beer and vodka for the weekend, I blow it on weed..... Hell there are thousands of ways one can spend their money.... illegal or not..... weither any of it is practical, it would have to be determined to the person in question.

I could blow my money on sky diving..... I have a greater chance of dieing from that then smoking some weed.... that's legal.

[Fonceai]

I would think that spending money to intentionally break the law so that you can get a temporary effect by lighting some plants on fire and then sucking on them is rather silly, don't you?

[nm420]

Quote by: Fonceai I would think that spending money to intentionally break the law so that you can get a temporary effect by lighting some plants on fire and then sucking on them is rather silly, don't you?

I don't think the intention is to break the law. That's more of a side-effect. Maybe some people really get a thrill out of breaking the law, but those people I would venture to say are few and far between. The primary intention is, as you say, to get a temporary effect by lighting some plants and inhaling. And no, it's not really that silly. People do all kinds of various things to get a "high", like running, or going to church, or beating up other people, or maybe even breaking the law (though I would think you get a much bigger thrill out of vandalism or theft than smoking some dope in a private area). It's quite normal and natural to seek out different mental states. Some avenues are a bit more damaging than others, but it's pretty much proven that marijuana use does not harm others and has little to no debilitating long-term effects on the user's cognitive capacities.

The notion that drugs can somehow enslave users against their will, radically and permanently altering their various personality or mental traits, is called "voodoo pharmacology". Sure, practically anyone in the depths of a binge can do some pretty stupid things, but you have to ask yourself what kind of person would allow themselves to be put in such a situation. Responsible people use drugs responsibly, while irresponsible people use them irresponsibly (deep, I know :)) if they use them at all. If someone claims that some drug or other has made them irreversibly stupid, I would have to question the state of their intelligence before they ever tried the drug, as any reasonable person would naturally do anyhow.

[Fonceai]

That's part of the reason why I didn't bring in the addiction thing. Sure, I could have listed it in there... "stupid to do something that can get you addicted" but I won't even go that far.

Not everyone gets addicted, so that's not factual enough for me.

But the stuff I listed just doesn't seem worth it.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Fonceai I would think that spending money to intentionally break the law so that you can get a temporary effect by lighting some plants on fire and then sucking on them is rather silly, don't you?

If I was doing it for the sole purpose of breaking the law, I think I would have picked something a bit worse for that.

Jumping off a bridge with a cord attached to your feet seems kinda silly to me.

Would you think it was silly to smoke weed, if it reduced the pain in your arthritis? Would you think it is silly to smoke weed to help with your glaucoma?

How about for speeding recovery from cancer treatments?

How about smoking it to prevent epilepsies?

For recreational use, does it sound silly to smoke weed to have a good time, or drink alcohol and get sick, violent, stupid, depressed, get into an accident, etc?

What you call silly, I call otherwise.

[Fonceai]

Quote by: Praxius Would you think it was silly to smoke weed, if it reduced the pain in your arthritis? Would you think it is silly to smoke weed to help with your glaucoma? How about for speeding recovery from cancer treatments? How about smoking it to prevent epilepsies?

It's not breaking the law if it's prescribed.

Quote by: Praxius For recreational use, does it sound silly to smoke weed to have a good time, or drink alcohol and get sick, violent, stupid, depressed, get into an accident, etc?

I think drinking that amount is also stupid, but it's not illegal.

Ultimately, as I wrote, there are similar and legal ways to enjoy yourself.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Fonceai It's not breaking the law if it's prescribed.

True, but there has always been a difference for me in what I deem should be illegal.... and I protest it by my actions.

I think drinking that amount is also stupid, but it's not illegal.

No, but it's far more harmful then marijuana ever could be, but as you said, it's not illegal......

Ultimately, as I wrote, there are similar and legal ways to enjoy yourself.

I know of no similar/legal ways of anything that matches marijuana.

[Fonceai]

I could make some suggestions, but they belong in the Adult Topics thread.

The million dollar question you should be asking me is if I think it would be stupid to smoke marijuana if it were legal... <grins>

[Osborn F Enready]

Fonceai said: What's the matter?

Illogical based fallcy.

Fonceai said: Can't handle the opposite side of the spectrum on the pot-smoking issue?

Opposite of what is the question?

Fonceai said: There are other ways to spend time and money that aren't illegal.

There are not other ways to show support for something that is WRONGFULLY ILLEGAL. We are not bound to abide by unconstitutional laws.

[another day]

Whats the big deal with it being illegal? Unjust, unconstitutional, and evil laws need to be broken. It's only through people breaking the law that there will be a push for change.

[Fonceai]

@Os

Settle down, man.

And also to another day...

As a father, I don't need that amount of risk in my life. The benefit of smoking pot once does not outweigh the consequences of getting caught. Not in my life... nor for most lives.

That's why I think intentionally doing anything illegal is predicated on stupidity.

[Osborn F Enready]

Fonceai said: That's why I think intentionally doing anything illegal is predicated on stupidity.

I hope you see how this logically ends up as tyranny, your theory?