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Dislogic · Oct 7, 2003, 11:38 pm

Hey guys... here is a really cool topic i always search the internet for info about... anyway here is a pretty cool article from Wired dot com... http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,...4,60720,00.html

its basicly about how GM is coming out with these new hydrogen/electric cars. I like the idea, if i had the money for a new car i would buy one.

Whats your guys take on this? I know we have discussed the future of fossil fuels in another topic but how about your thoughts on Hydro fuel and how it could possibly be effectivel integrated into todays oil reliant society... especially in America.

casual · Oct 10, 2003, 05:11 am

it would definetly take a long time to get hydro fueled cars fully integrated 100% ...

i have no facts on this, but im pretty sure the whole oil-industry wont 'just' let that happen.. they'll buy the project and put it away.. think of the massive loss of money they would face..

Dislogic · Oct 10, 2003, 06:33 am

yes true that is what i have said in other threads... Basicly i think we should just let the oil companies integrate the new fuel stations into their already existing gas stations that way it wouldnt be taking money from them and they could still corner the market... that to me seems like the easiest way to do it.

**Pooeypants** · Oct 19, 2003, 11:08 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (casual,)
it would definetly take a long time to get hydro fueled cars fully integrated 100% ...

i have no facts on this, but im pretty sure the whole oil-industry wont 'just' let that happen.. they'll buy the project and put it away.. think of the massive loss of money they would face..<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
The Oil companies fund most of these types of research and are ready to continue their monopoly.

Down · Oct 21, 2003, 04:27 am

If and when the switch happens, I will predict it will be a relatively sudden (within a span of about 10 years) complete market shift. The oil companies will want to push it out as fast as they can, so they wont need to have two different kinds of fuel stations available. Although, i doubt it will happen in the next 30 years. They technology isnt completely efficient yet, so it will be a while before they can get the production cheap enough for consumers to be interested. If the prices were within several thousand dollars of equal internal combustion cars, then I would definately be interested.

xm.bretton · Oct 21, 2003, 11:23 am

and they better make em look nice... the honda hybrids look like crap :(

**Sean** · Oct 23, 2003, 03:03 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Down,)
If and when the switch happens, I will predict it will be a relatively sudden (within a span of about 10 years) complete market shift. The oil companies will want to push it out as fast as they can, so they wont need to have two different kinds of fuel stations available. Although, i doubt it will happen in the next 30 years. They technology isnt completely efficient yet, so it will be a while before they can get the production cheap enough for consumers to be interested. If the prices were within several thousand dollars of equal internal combustion cars, then I would definately be interested.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I don't think efficiency has anything to do with it. Corn oil (ethanol) was proven to be an efficient and clean fuel source, but it's not profitable.

TwoShanks · Oct 23, 2003, 12:24 pm

Also, why would a more efficient engine be cheaper to build? That doesn't make any sense at all.

RebelWithanAK · Oct 23, 2003, 04:33 pm

Err, faster computers are cheaper to build. Your logic is lacking.

**Pooeypants** · Oct 25, 2003, 06:46 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Down,)
If and when the switch happens, I will predict it will be a relatively sudden (within a span of about 10 years) complete market shift. The oil companies will want to push it out as fast as they can, so they wont need to have two different kinds of fuel stations available. Although, i doubt it will happen in the next 30 years. They technology isnt completely efficient yet, so it will be a while before they can get the production cheap enough for consumers to be interested. If the prices were within several thousand dollars of equal internal combustion cars, then I would definately be interested.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Define completely efficient.

castille · Oct 27, 2003, 09:02 am

The oil companies cant do squat about it. They will more likely stop producing oil and move into something else.

They can't stop thousands of young entrepreneurs jumping onto the idea and offering consumers what they want at half the price....

Be glad you don't live in Japan! Over there, Honda/Toyoda/Mitsubishi will maintain their monopoly.

darwinist · Nov 11, 2003, 05:00 pm

I think it is a great idea. Which we will not see, untill all fosil fuel has been exploited.

About 7 years ago. On the BBC, we had a program called 'Tomorrows World' . On that program was a electric car. That had a really good battery. I can not remember the exact specs. But it could do around 100mph, for a long distance. Took around 8 hours to recharge. All very good specs.

7 years on. Where is this car? What happen? Well nobody knows. As far as i can tell it vanished off the face of the planet.

What you have to remember about is cost ratios. Everyone says, it is a new tec. It is expensive. Too expensive to do. Too expensive to look into. Etc... But what they forgot is that cars have now been made for 100 years. If you look at the first petol driven car. It is laughable.

This may be going off on a tangent, but what would happen, if you spent that much time and money on: Wind power, Solar power and Hydo power?

**Pooeypants** · Nov 16, 2003, 05:59 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
The oil companies cant do squat about it. They will more likely stop producing oil and move into something else.

They can't stop thousands of young entrepreneurs jumping onto the idea and offering consumers what they want at half the price....

Be glad you don't live in Japan! Over there, Honda/Toyoda/Mitsubishi will maintain their monopoly.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
The oil companies can fund research into renewable energy or more efficient type engines...and they do. Don't think that they are short sighted, these corporate giants are here to stay, maybe in a different name but they'll continue.

Oct 7, 2003, 11:38 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Dislogic Molten Ash Location: USA Posts: 115	Hey guys... here is a really cool topic i always search the internet for info about... anyway here is a pretty cool article from Wired dot com... http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,...4,60720,00.html its basicly about how GM is coming out with these new hydrogen/electric cars. I like the idea, if i had the money for a new car i would buy one. Whats your guys take on this? I know we have discussed the future of fossil fuels in another topic but how about your thoughts on Hydro fuel and how it could possibly be effectivel integrated into todays oil reliant society... especially in America. <span style='color:gray'><span style='font-family:Geneva'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;line-height:100%'>Kerry/Edwards 2004: He can't make up his mind, but at least he has one.</span></span></span>

Oct 10, 2003, 06:33 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Dislogic Molten Ash Location: USA Posts: 115	yes true that is what i have said in other threads... Basicly i think we should just let the oil companies integrate the new fuel stations into their already existing gas stations that way it wouldnt be taking money from them and they could still corner the market... that to me seems like the easiest way to do it. <span style='color:gray'><span style='font-family:Geneva'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;line-height:100%'>Kerry/Edwards 2004: He can't make up his mind, but at least he has one.</span></span></span>

Oct 19, 2003, 11:08 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,468	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (casual,) it would definetly take a long time to get hydro fueled cars fully integrated 100% ... i have no facts on this, but im pretty sure the whole oil-industry wont 'just' let that happen.. they'll buy the project and put it away.. think of the massive loss of money they would face..<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> The Oil companies fund most of these types of research and are ready to continue their monopoly. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Oct 21, 2003, 04:27 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Down Molten Ash Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 30	If and when the switch happens, I will predict it will be a relatively sudden (within a span of about 10 years) complete market shift. The oil companies will want to push it out as fast as they can, so they wont need to have two different kinds of fuel stations available. Although, i doubt it will happen in the next 30 years. They technology isnt completely efficient yet, so it will be a while before they can get the production cheap enough for consumers to be interested. If the prices were within several thousand dollars of equal internal combustion cars, then I would definately be interested. http://www.sixtyten.com/images/siggy.gif <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:gray'>Man is afraid of that which he does not know.</span></span>

Oct 21, 2003, 11:23 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
xm.bretton Molten Ash Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 89	and they better make em look nice... the honda hybrids look like crap :( xm.bretton xhalation.com

Oct 10, 2003, 05:11 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
casual Sedimentary Rock Location: Denmark Posts: 5	it would definetly take a long time to get hydro fueled cars fully integrated 100% ... i have no facts on this, but im pretty sure the whole oil-industry wont 'just' let that happen.. they'll buy the project and put it away.. think of the massive loss of money they would face..

Oct 23, 2003, 03:03 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Down,) If and when the switch happens, I will predict it will be a relatively sudden (within a span of about 10 years) complete market shift. The oil companies will want to push it out as fast as they can, so they wont need to have two different kinds of fuel stations available. Although, i doubt it will happen in the next 30 years. They technology isnt completely efficient yet, so it will be a while before they can get the production cheap enough for consumers to be interested. If the prices were within several thousand dollars of equal internal combustion cars, then I would definately be interested.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I don't think efficiency has anything to do with it. Corn oil (ethanol) was proven to be an efficient and clean fuel source, but it's not profitable. So it goes

Oct 23, 2003, 12:24 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
TwoShanks Molten Ash Posts: 29	Also, why would a more efficient engine be cheaper to build? That doesn't make any sense at all.

Oct 23, 2003, 04:33 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Err, faster computers are cheaper to build. Your logic is lacking. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 25, 2003, 06:46 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,468	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Down,) If and when the switch happens, I will predict it will be a relatively sudden (within a span of about 10 years) complete market shift. The oil companies will want to push it out as fast as they can, so they wont need to have two different kinds of fuel stations available. Although, i doubt it will happen in the next 30 years. They technology isnt completely efficient yet, so it will be a while before they can get the production cheap enough for consumers to be interested. If the prices were within several thousand dollars of equal internal combustion cars, then I would definately be interested.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Define completely efficient. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Oct 27, 2003, 09:02 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	The oil companies cant do squat about it. They will more likely stop producing oil and move into something else. They can't stop thousands of young entrepreneurs jumping onto the idea and offering consumers what they want at half the price.... Be glad you don't live in Japan! Over there, Honda/Toyoda/Mitsubishi will maintain their monopoly. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Nov 11, 2003, 05:00 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
darwinist Igneous Magma Location: Netherlands Posts: 200	I think it is a great idea. Which we will not see, untill all fosil fuel has been exploited. About 7 years ago. On the BBC, we had a program called 'Tomorrows World' . On that program was a electric car. That had a really good battery. I can not remember the exact specs. But it could do around 100mph, for a long distance. Took around 8 hours to recharge. All very good specs. 7 years on. Where is this car? What happen? Well nobody knows. As far as i can tell it vanished off the face of the planet. What you have to remember about is cost ratios. Everyone says, it is a new tec. It is expensive. Too expensive to do. Too expensive to look into. Etc... But what they forgot is that cars have now been made for 100 years. If you look at the first petol driven car. It is laughable. This may be going off on a tangent, but what would happen, if you spent that much time and money on: Wind power, Solar power and Hydo power? What goes 'up', must come 'down', unless it goes around and round.

Nov 16, 2003, 05:59 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,468	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) The oil companies cant do squat about it. They will more likely stop producing oil and move into something else. They can't stop thousands of young entrepreneurs jumping onto the idea and offering consumers what they want at half the price.... Be glad you don't live in Japan! Over there, Honda/Toyoda/Mitsubishi will maintain their monopoly.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> The oil companies can fund research into renewable energy or more efficient type engines...and they do. Don't think that they are short sighted, these corporate giants are here to stay, maybe in a different name but they'll continue. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before