Moon Landing

[Chris]

this is a good moon phase site. It also tells you the distance from the earth.

[Thanatos]

Quote by: Rocky The YouTube video is identical to the NASA one. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v.1672622.mpg If the acceleration rate of two falling objects is different, obviously one of them was slow-motion or a different rate of slow motion than the other or some other explanation. On the moon everything would fall at the same rate.

That bag fell out of a container with an oscillating cover. Obviously it flew up and was hit by the cover on its way down.

[Century 25]

Apollo 8 shot this.. almost 39 years ago.. back when we were an interplanetary society: http://www-geology.ucdavis.edu/~GEL36/earthris.gif

Maybe someday we can once again reach for the stars. Much better than making war.

[Century 25]

This site has much more: Google Image Result for http://www-geology.ucdavis.edu/~GEL36/earthris.gif

[Century 25]

New fad here in the Valley of the Sun: bookofjoe: Lunar Therapy

I wonder if they get moon-burned..??

Also, here's their official site.. with virtual tour: Official Website for Interstellar Light Applications, LCC

[Rocky]

I just came across this.

YouTube - Moon Hoax- Apollos Atmospheric Moon
YouTube - Apollo 15 waving flag
YouTube - Moon Hoax- Apollo 15 fluttering flag-von Brauns Collection

This is the clearest evidence I've seen yet that the footage was taken on earth.

The flag moves as the astronaut walks past it.

[Jack]

Pictures of Apollo astronauts erecting a US flag on the Moon show the flag bending and rippling. How can that be? After all, there's no breeze on the Moon.... Not every waving flag needs a breeze -- at least not in space. When astronauts were planting the flagpole they rotated it back and forth to better penetrate the lunar soil (anyone who's set a blunt tent-post will know how this works). So of course the flag waved! Unfurling a piece of rolled-up cloth with stored angular momentum will naturally result in waves and ripples -- no breeze required! The Fox documentary went on with plenty more specious points. You can find detailed rebuttals to each of them at BadAstronomy.com and the Moon Hoax web page. (These are independent sites, not sponsored by NASA.) The best rebuttal to allegations of a "Moon Hoax," however, is common sense. Evidence that the Apollo program really happened is compelling: A dozen astronauts (laden with cameras) walked on the Moon between 1969 and 1972. Nine of them are still alive and can testify to their experience. They didn't return from the Moon empty-handed, either. Just as Columbus carried a few hundred natives back to Spain as evidence of his trip to the New World, Apollo astronauts brought 841 pounds of Moon rock home to Earth. "Moon rocks are absolutely unique," says Dr. David McKay, Chief Scientist for Planetary Science and Exploration at NASA's Johnson Space Center (JSC). McKay is a member of the group that oversees the Lunar Sample Laboratory Facility at JSC where most of the Moon rocks are stored. "They differ from Earth rocks in many respects," he added.

The Great Moon Hoax

The flag does in fact appear to be waving in the still picture below; there is no contesting that point. Skeptics automatically assume that this is sound proof that the flag was being planted on Earth and not the Moon. However, there is one aspect of this photograph that is important to note. Both Armstrong and Aldrin are touching the flag in the process of planting it into the moons surface (which, as I have previously stated, is covered in a layer of dust). Skeptics have ignored two important facts in this instance, but we will return to those in a moment. Most would agree that NASAs' scientists are among the most brilliant people in the world. It is, therefore, natural to ask why anyone would assume that these men (and women, today) would be so ignorant as to ignore the fact that a flag would flutter being planted on Earth (on a windy day that is), but would not when being planted on the Moon because it has no atmosphere? There is a simple answer to this question; they would not. NASA's scientists are, and were, aware that there is no atmosphere on the moon. As such, they were more than prepared for this fact when they sent a flag with Apollo 11 and made sure that the flag would be constructed in such as way that would allow onlookers to see all of the stars and stripes. On the Earth, flags are usually hung from a pole or rod. On the Moon the flag was hung in the same fashion, but with a second rod protruding parallel with the Moons surface from the first rod. It is from this rod that the flag hung, forcing it to stick straight out and be visible. For appearance purposes this rod was slightly shorter than the flag itself, giving it that rippled effect (that is, after all, how we are all use to viewing the flag). Furthermore, when NASAs' scientists sent Apollo 11 to the moon, they had public policy in mind. When it comes to viewing the flag on the moon, which would make for a better presentation: a limp, dreary flag, or a flag standing proud in its nation's namesake? I think the response is obvious. The fact is the U.S. flag appears to have ripples in it in photographs on the moon because NASAs' scientist intended it to. Careful observation of the Apollo 11 flag in these pictures reveals that not only can you easily see the bar which sun.(sic) For example, near the edges of the flag not supported by a pole, the flag "flutters" one direction and then back the opposite direction. This type of uniformity could not be accomplished if the flag were fluttering due to a breeze.

hoax flag

[Rocky]

Not every waving flag needs a breeze -- at least not in space. When astronauts were planting the flagpole they rotated it back and forth to better penetrate the lunar soil (anyone who's set a blunt tent-post will know how this works). So of course the flag waved! Unfurling a piece of rolled-up cloth with stored angular momentum will naturally result in waves and ripples -- no breeze required!

I've seen a lot of the footage you are referring to in your post and I agree; when the astronauts are fiddling with the flag, it should move.
The case in my links is different though. The flag is not moving and when the astronaut merely walks by it the wind created by his movement causes the flag to move.
Your post didn't address this particular case if the flag moving. It addressed different cases of the flag moving.

[Century 25]

Quote by: Rocky I've seen a lot of the footage you are referring to in your post and I agree; when the astronauts are fiddling with the flag, it should move. The case in my links is different though. The flag is not moving and when the astronaut merely walks by it the wind created by his movement causes the flag to move. Your post didn't address this particular case if the flag moving. It addressed different cases of the flag moving.

Go here: New Science: The Moon Landing Hoax (03/30/01) and learn some facts.

Yes.. people did actually make several trips to the moon. Even took a spin on their "dune" buggies.. lol.

[Rocky]

I suppose you're referring to this. It's from the article you posted.

Everyone has seen the video of astronauts planting a US flag on the Moon. You can see the flag flexing and rippling. How can that be? There's no breeze on the Moon. But then, there's no atmosphere, either. When the astronauts planted the flagpole they twisted it back and forth to sink it into the lunar soil. On the Earth, that would have made the flag "wave" for a few seconds, then stop. But that's because the flag pushes against air as it flaps, and the air slows it down. On the Moon, there was no air to stop the flag's motion, so it continued, just as Newton's First Law of physics says it should. So of course the cloth flag waved and rippled beneath the metal rod holding it out.

This is not referring to the particular case I mentioned above. This is referring to other cases.

Look at this video.
YouTube - Apollo 15 waving flag

The flag had stopped moving after having been planted. It started moving again as the astronaut walked by it because of the atmosphere that was present.

Stop avoiding the issue and addresss it.

[5010]

Yeah, something definitely touched the flag.

You notice early in the video that the astronauts kick up a lot of stuff when they bounce around. Could it be that the astronaut kicked a small stone which hit the flag?

Notice it "waves" the way a pendulum waves, not a flag in a breeze.

[thx1138]

Check this out.. this movie was taken from the moon by the Japanese satellite orbiting the moon now...

JAXA | "Earth-rise" Images taken by the HD camera of the KAGUYA (SELENE)

If there is anything left on the Moon from the Apollo Missions this satellite should be able to see it.

JAXA | "Earth-set" Images taken by the HD camera of the KAGUYA (SELENE)


and NASA has some cameras on the way..
Lunar Explorers Around the World

[Century 25]

Moon base.. "Alpha" ?? Maybe... SPACE.com -- Inflatable Moon Base Prototype Heads to South Pole

[Rocky]

Here are some interesting threads from another forum. This hoax-believer seems to have done a lot of research.

[Jack]

I read the entire thread of this hoax supporter, and other than an ability to copy/paste and ignore his own inconsistencies I don't see where he made his case at all. He doesn't know where objects were in relation to one another but claims that shadows are wrong, he refuses to admit that lens flares account for the images he questions. The dude's a loon, and so obsessed by his conspiracy beliefs that he cannot see outside that little box. He refuses to cite sources, vaguely remembers reading something others are able to quote from the source; all in all he fails to support his contentions and falls back on insult when he can't argue properly. A poor debater and an even worse spokesman for his group of deniers.

[Rocky]

YouTube - Apollo 15 waving flag

If you look at the size of the astronauts' arms when they are near the flag and look at the size of the astronaut's arm when he goes by the flag, you'll see it is quite larger when he goes by the flag. He is probably three or four feet from it. He couldn't have touched it.

If you double-click quickly on the mouse to make it go frame by frame, it's pretty clear that he doesn't touch the flag.

[pahl]

If you look at the size of the astronauts' arms when they are near the flag and look at the size of the astronaut's arm when he goes by the flag, you'll see it is quite larger when he goes by the flag. He is probably three or four feet from it. He couldn't have touched it.

Are you talking about in the early part of the video, cause i dont see it move later in it.

This is what i see:
One astronaut puts the flag in the ground, moves it around a little with just his right hand. Another astronaut walks into frame, covers the flag and first astronaut just as the first astronaut lets go of the flag with his right hand and makes a sweeping/grabbing motion with his left towards the flag. The first astronaut stands behind the other, facing the flag, just until the second one moves far enough to the right to not block view of the flag at which point the first one turns and bounces away to the left.

To me it seems like the first guy is still touching the flag.

[Rocky]

Are you talking about in the early part of the video, cause i dont see it move later in it. This is what i see: One astronaut puts the flag in the ground, moves it around a little with just his right hand. Another astronaut walks into frame, covers the flag and first astronaut just as the first astronaut lets go of the flag with his right hand and makes a sweeping/grabbing motion with his left towards the flag. The first astronaut stands behind the other, facing the flag, just until the second one moves far enough to the right to not block view of the flag at which point the first one turns and bounces away to the left. To me it seems like the first guy is still touching the flag.

YouTube - Apollo 15 waving flag

At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. Then, the astronaut walks by it and it starts to move. You're analyzing another part of the video.

[Elminister]

We were in a Lunar race with,who was,Russia. When we said we had touched down and considering Russia had the tech. to watch closely if we were bluffing but didn't cry foul play should be considered part of the proof positive. The time era in reference was around the peak of the Cold War.Russia would not have the slightest inclination to pull any punches.

I would think many nations as a whole would have called us out on that particular hoax. It was a race involving and of importance to all Mankind.

[Rocky]

We were in a Lunar race with,who was,Russia. When we said we had touched down and considering Russia had the tech. to watch closely if we were bluffing but didn't cry foul play should be considered part of the proof positive. The time era in reference was around the peak of the Cold War.Russia would not have the slightest inclination to pull any punches. I would think many nations as a whole would have called us out on that particular hoax. It was a race involving and of importance to all Mankind.

You're just assuming what we read in the newspapers reflects what's really happening.

Have you read Chomsky's analysis of the cold war?

Uncle Sam: How the Cold War worked
Deterring Democracy: Chapter 1 [1/20]

This can't be ruled out.
Nardwuar vs Bill Kaysing
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Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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