Kids With High IQs Grow Up to Be Vegetarians

[pikatore]

Theres so such thing as a 'bad' fat, vicious vegan. Anything is bad if you eat it in excess.

[vicious-vegan]

Oh no, there really is such thing as bad fats and good fats.

For example theres saturated fat, trans fat, those are all bad.

Monounsaturated fats aren't bad and Polyunsaturated fats aren't bad either.

[Jagged]

Vegan, he is saying that if you eat 50 pounds of this pure "good fat," it doesn't end up being so good after all. "Bad" and "good" fats are ambiguous terms; perhaps you should be calling them "Fats" and "Worse fats" or something.

[vicious-vegan]

well thats true, but the bad fats is what gives us heart attacks and all.

ah, theres your Emma Watson picture. haha. cool.

[pikatore]

(sigh)

there are no such things as 'bad' fats.

You need saturated fats just as much as you need polysaturated fats to SURVIVE. By eating ANY fat in excess, it will be converted to the same end product for storage. You CAN get fat from poly or monosaturated fats.

Please do your homework. If something is bad for you, it's called a poison. And fats in general clearly aren't poisons. The 'bad' fats are fats that while still are essential to our health, are ones that should not be consumed in massive proportions like many people do. It's having a balanced diet that makes you healthy, not shunning a whole food group based on misconceptions.

If you eat too many carrots, you can get a vitamin overload and get orange fingernails as a result. Too much of a good thing is bad.

[DEEJ85]

Perhaps saturated fats in themselves aren't bad, but just needed to be regulated in small amounts.

We often put more fat and grease into food then we physically need. Just look at fast food joints.

[Jagged]

Pikator pretty much covered it.

[Night]

How ironic.

Our species grew so intelligent after we started eating fish and getting all that protein back in the African days. Now we're starting to abandon that

[Capitalist Pig]

This study sounds suspect. You can reduce your risk for cardiovascular problems by consuming fish oils.

[SpideySpirit]

Quote by: pikatore (sigh) there are no such things as 'bad' fats. You need saturated fats just as much as you need polysaturated fats to SURVIVE. By eating ANY fat in excess, it will be converted to the same end product for storage. You CAN get fat from poly or monosaturated fats. Please do your homework. If something is bad for you, it's called a poison. And fats in general clearly aren't poisons. The 'bad' fats are fats that while still are essential to our health, are ones that should not be consumed in massive proportions like many people do. It's having a balanced diet that makes you healthy, not shunning a whole food group based on misconceptions. If you eat too many carrots, you can get a vitamin overload and get orange fingernails as a result. Too much of a good thing is bad.

We primates (humans) don't need any dietary source of cholesterol the body can make its own, the liver!! It is present in all animal tissues but is absent from plants. NO AVACADOS DON'T HAVE A LIVER!! Does anyone else find it annoying when you see a sticker on plant foods saying "Cholesterol Free"
So how stupid are people to knowingly include animal products in their diet when the number one cause of mortality in developed countries is heart disease that is directly attributable to consumption of animal products.... We are talking about intelligence....right?? So perhaps the study is accurate:eek:

[pikatore]

Quote by: SpideySpirit We primates (humans) don't need any dietary source of cholesterol the body can make its own, the liver!! It is present in all animal tissues but is absent from plants. NO AVACADOS DON'T HAVE A LIVER!! Does anyone else find it annoying when you see a sticker on plant foods saying "Cholesterol Free"

Wow, big deal. Cholesterol hasn't been mentioned once in this thread, the main contention is with proteins and several vitamins.

Quote by: SpideySpirit So how stupid are people to knowingly include animal products in their diet when the number one cause of mortality in developed countries is heart disease that is directly attributable to consumption of animal products.... We are talking about intelligence....right?? So perhaps the study is accurate:eek:

Man, I don't even know WHAT to say to that. For now, I think it's best if you toned out the crap, before you really annoy a lot of other people. I am NOT stupid to knowingly keep to an omnivorous diet. In fact, I find it quite stupid to even SUGGEST such a thing.

Cardiac arrest is also highly linked to ageing, and therefore a lack of homeostasis. Do you think most vegetarians die by winking out of existence?! It is usually caused by heart stoppage. You are talking through your hat.

[SpideySpirit]

Quote by: pikatore Wow, big deal. Cholesterol hasn't been mentioned once in this thread, the main contention is with proteins and several vitamins.

Cholestrol = Fat, very simply at body temperature 38 degrees Celcius this fat is still solid unlike vegetable fats, hence the cause for vascular disease as a result of blockages to the flow of blood.

Man, I don't even know WHAT to say to that. For now, I think it's best if you toned out the crap, before you really annoy a lot of other people. I am NOT stupid to knowingly keep to an omnivorous diet. In fact, I find it quite stupid to even SUGGEST such a thing. Cardiac arrest is also highly linked to ageing, and therefore a lack of homeostasis. Do you think most vegetarians die by winking out of existence?! It is usually caused by heart stoppage. You are talking through your hat.

Please don't take things personally. You are right we all die. Vegetarians & others. The difference is others owe it to their children & their grand children...etc to live longer so that they can know the love of more than one or two generations, that is what inspires me, self preservation for my loved ones, I owe it to them, hence my raw vegan diet... Our society today is burdened by the EARLY onset of chronically debilitating diseases that are completely preventable through diet. You don't believe there have been enough studies that directly attribute animal product consumption to the EARLY onset of chronically debilitating diseases, eg obesity, diabetes, coronary heart disease, cancer........ ??(the list goes on)

[DEEJ85]

It is true that Humans these days are suffering from early onset chronically debilitating diseases. This seems to have only started happening recently.
Yet we have been dining on meat for thousands of years.

If meat was the cause of these major health problems, Shouldn't we see these health problems leading back thousands if not millions of years?

Perhaps the current trend of health problems relating to diet are caused by the current trends of food processing or preparation.

If meat was that bad, then we would see its affects before the major food epidemic of our time. It would have to also affect all cultures that consume meat.

[SpideySpirit]

Quote by: DEEJ85 It is true that Humans these days are suffering from early onset chronically debilitating diseases. This seems to have only started happening recently. Yet we have been dining on meat for thousands of years. If meat was the cause of these major health problems, Shouldn't we see these health problems leading back thousands if not millions of years? Perhaps the current trend of health problems relating to diet are caused by the current trends of food processing or preparation. If meat was that bad, then we would see its affects before the major food epidemic of our time. It would have to also affect all cultures that consume meat.

Meat accessibility in the form of fast foods is making it easier for people consume more than in the past millenium. Just look at the retail landscape; it is littered with MacDonalds, KFC, Burger King.....etal!!!!
The quality of meat today leaves a lot to be desired, my grandmother isn't vegetarian and she is 92yrs young, she says that the quality isn't like it used to be, she should know she grew up on a farm, they killed their own animals.

The quality issue is that as more countries become affluent they want to partake in consumption of meat, that is seen as a status symbol of wealth, particularly in China. Unfortunately the global ecology, & the meat & dairy industry is straining under the demand to produce the crops for the animal we consume, therefore the industry is forced to implement more efficient means to 'manufacture' the meat.

The cause of "mad cow" was discovered to be due to feeding the corpses of other dead animals not fit for human consumption to cattle. This practice was borne out of desperation to get a financial return from diseased animals not fit for human consumption, again efficiency....

Growth hormones are used to force the animals to grow faster. A consequence of human consumption of these GH is the earlier maturation of young teenage girl ie menopause starting younger.

Additionally intensive agri practices in the rearing of animals has caused the emergence of virulent diseases, H5N1, SARS, this monoculture is a breeding ground for virus & bacteria. Is that burger really worth the onset of a global pandemic?

The USA produces a lot of crops as animal feed, the majority of this feed is from crops that have been genetically modified(eg to enhance crop yield....etc), so consumers indirectly end up consuming GMO, most people don't believe that GMOs have enough of an track record for safe consumption, I don't, and probably never will, what about you Dee??

Just some of the concerns about meat quality....:(

[pikatore]

Quote by: SpideySpirit Meat accessibility in the form of fast foods is making it easier for people consume more than in the past millenium. Just look at the retail landscape; it is littered with MacDonalds, KFC, Burger King.....etal!!!! The quality of meat today leaves a lot to be desired, my grandmother isn't vegetarian and she is 92yrs young, she says that the quality isn't like it used to be, she should know she grew up on a farm, they killed their own animals.

MacDonald, KFC, and Burger King are to blame for thier products, not bloody meat.

If I soaked a piece of lettuce in oil and gave it to you, you wouldn't blame the lettuce, would you?

Besides, this isn't a debate about whether or not the quality of meat may have declined, it's come down, as with most debates concerning vegetarianism, whether or not SHUNNING MEAT, PERIOD, REGARDLESS OF THE 'QUALITY' is the right thing to do.

This is a biological and ethical argument. Don't start to twist it.

Quote by: SpideySpirit The quality issue is that as more countries become affluent they want to partake in consumption of meat, that is seen as a status symbol of wealth, particularly in China. Unfortunately the global ecology, & the meat & dairy industry is straining under the demand to produce the crops for the animal we consume, therefore the industry is forced to implement more efficient means to 'manufacture' the meat.

This debate has nothing to do with economics. You are sidestepping the argument that we are designed to be, and are thus at our optimum as biological constructs when we stay on an omnivorous diet.

Quote by: SpideySpirit The cause of "mad cow" was discovered to be due to feeding the corpses of other dead animals not fit for human consumption to cattle. This practice was borne out of desperation to get a financial return from diseased animals not fit for human consumption, again efficiency....

The feeding of dead animals TRANSMITTED the disease, it didn't CAUSE IT. You are making illogical statements.

Quote by: SpideySpirit Growth hormones are used to force the animals to grow faster. A consequence of human consumption of these GH is the earlier maturation of young teenage girl ie menopause starting younger.

Growth hormones are a completely different story. Of course meat that's tampered with or processed may not be the best meat to eat.

Quote by: SpideySpirit Is that burger really worth the onset of a global pandemic?

....:eek:

Quote by: SpideySpirit The USA produces a lot of crops as animal feed, the majority of this feed is from crops that have been genetically modified(eg to enhance crop yield....etc), so consumers indirectly end up consuming GMO, most people don't believe that GMOs have enough of an track record for safe consumption, I don't, and probably never will, what about you Dee??

well, GMOs obviously cover vegetables as well. So what's your point?

Quote by: SpideySpirit Just some of the concerns about meat quality....:(

Who cares about meat quality. I have my own reservations about meat quality. This argument is much more basic.

If our sewerage starts to build up to unmanageable proportions, should we as a result hold our poop? Our bodies don't adapt to global economics, alright?

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: pikatore MacDonald, KFC, and Burger King are to blame for thier products, not bloody meat. If I soaked a piece of lettuce in oil and gave it to you, you wouldn't blame the lettuce, would you?

There is no market demand for lettuce soaked in oil. Blame rests on the meat eaters who create the demand.

[DEEJ85]

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin There is no market demand for lettuce soaked in oil. Blame rests on the meat eaters who create the demand.

I agree, lets eat meat that is more healthy then fast food.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: DEEJ85 I agree, lets eat meat that is more healthy then fast food.

Meat eaters don't want that. They vote with their dollars.

[DEEJ85]

One could say that about other foods that have plenty of oil and fat in them, such as potato chips and fries. This preference for unhealthy food also affects other processed foods.

So it seems that everyone doesn't want healthy food. Not just meat eaters.

but what about those meat eaters that do want healthier meat? Such as myself?

Maybe we should concentrate on helping society make healthier decisions about the meat they buy.

people should also consume less meat, Our society eats way too much meat as it is and not nearly as much vegetables and fruit (plus essential nutrients) required for a healthy diet. It is possible that these added health problems are caused by a diet with too much meat and fat that comes with it.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: DEEJ85 One could say that about other foods that have plenty of oil and fat in them, such as potato chips and fries. This preference for unhealthy food also affects other processed foods. So it seems that everyone doesn't want healthy food. Not just meat eaters.

Vegetarians as a percentage of their group are much less likely to die from obesity related disease. By being a vegetarian one is more likely to eat healthier foods. Vegetarians vote with their wallets, too, when they purchase healthy foods, such as veggies, fruits, nuts, etc... We are just outnumbered by those of you meateaters who vote with your wallets and have been transforming our landscape into fast food meat -- which shows us, that as a group, or a large percentage of your group, wants.

...but what about those meat eaters that do want healthier meat? Such as myself? Maybe we should concentrate on helping society make healthier decisions about the meat they buy.

And how will you do that? Create an association or group? I would bet there are already some, but have they been successful in gaining any kind of momentum? I don't think so because the fast food industry and the factory farms are still well entrenched, if not growing -- along with the ever increasing growth of obesity and diet related problems, almost on the verge of being labeled an epidemic.

...people should also consume less meat, Our society eats way too much meat as it is and not nearly as much vegetables and fruit (plus essential nutrients) required for a healthy diet. It is possible that these added health problems are caused by a diet with too much meat and fat that comes with it.

Agreed. Perhaps affluence leads to gluttony.

Though, I would say try vegetarianism. Experiment with it. Or perhaps make certain days vegetarian. How about "Meatless Mondays" or a "Meat Fast Friday"?

I think a lot of meat eaters are afraid that if they give up meat then they will be depriving themselves of delicious food. But that just isn't the case. After getting used to cooking vegetarian and experimenting with spices and other flavorings, you may find that a whole new world of delicious eating awaits you. All I can say is, keep an open mind.

And for those of you who were once vegetarians but backslided back to eating meat, just try again.