Kids With High IQs Grow Up to Be Vegetarians

[Sugar]

development of human brain can often be related to veg culture, however being a veg is no guarantee of an high IQ

[deepk]

I think that eating habits has in no way any relatio to the IQ of a person. It is the mental development of a child which is important for a child havinghigher IQ.

[WindWip]

Quote by: Heather I was pointing out that with the way the meat industry currently operates, it poses many potential dangers for the consumer. Take for example mad cow disease, saminela, etc. This is not to mention the hormones and antibiotics that one consumes into their own body when eating the meat of animals raised in this way.

Mad cow disease has hardly affected anyone - 400,000 infected cattle entered Britain's food chain, eaten by roughly 2 million, and 157 died. 157/2mil = 0.000078. And that's if you ate meat from a cow with the disease. -source

Salmonella is very easy to avoid. Just cook your food. I have yet to see well documented reports on the ill effects of eating animals with hormones.

I would not deny that meat certainly has is nutritional advantages, however, if one pays attention to their diet, they will do well on a vegetarian diet without being at risk to the numerous dangers of meat consumption.

If those are the only dangers you are worried about, I don't think you should worry much. The biggest problem with meat (well, red meat) is that it is high in saturated fat which can lead to cardiovascular diseases. Moderation is the key.

[WindWip]

Quote by: Sugar With the growth of IQ the child matures and thinks more. Then he realizes the pain suffered by the animals being slaughtered. This leads him to become a veggie.

I realize that the animals suffer somewhat, and I still eat meat. Maybe I'm just desensitized :eek:

Needless to say I don't agree that a smarter child will choose veggies over meat because he/she is smarter.

[pikatore]

It's emotional sensitivity that may cause people to stop eating meat for fear of inflicting pain on animals (of course, a cow isn't electrocuted in a slaughterhouse - they cut it up nice and slow, while it's still alive).

NOT a high IQ.

[nmspl]

meat or no meat, I am intellegent with high IQ, let anybody say anything the fact is that eating habits are not going to change a persons IQ

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: nmspl ... eating habits are not going to change a persons IQ

You don`t think that an eating habit that does not properly supply vitamins and nutrients to the body won`t affect a person's or child' IQ?

[Epistemologist]

Potassium deficiency can affect mental health in at least the short-term. Once potassium is placed back in the diet, things are back to normal at least in the cases I've encountered.

The thing is, often, if a diet affects mental health, it also affects other aspects of the person's life adversely, often even endangering that person's survival.

[Vivid]

Heres a possible explanation of this correlation:

Gifted people are much more likely to be what is called "over excitable" - this means that they tend to be more intense, passionate, etc.

There are 5 types of over excitability. Intellectual, Imaginational, Psychomotor, Sensory and Emotional.

Heres a snippet from the description of Emotional OE: "They have compassion, empathy, and sensitivity"

If more people with high IQ's avoid meat than the average, perhaps it is because those gifted people who have intense feelings and a tendency for empathy feel bad about eating animals.

Or, it might be Imaginational OE - maybe they see the corpse of the animal, and imagine the animal distressed or dying, or they don't see it as "this is food" as much as "this is a corpse." Or maybe they notice how similar the meat and bone structure is to their own meat and bone structure, and imagine themselves as cannibals.

I know that I have had an aversion to meat ever since I was a child - for all of the above reasons and I do have a high IQ. I simply cant HELP being disgusted. I'm not a strict vegetarian, because I crave it and give in, but I eat far less meat than I should and end up protein deprived. Yes, I was fed meat as a kid. I'm just naturally averse to eating it.

Heres my source. Anyone who's got a high IQ really should read this. It may be one of those "OMG THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!" type moments:

Overexcitability and the highly gifted child

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: Vivid Or, it might be Imaginational OE - maybe they see the corpse of the animal, and imagine the animal distressed or dying, or they don't see it as "this is food" as much as "this is a corpse." Or maybe they notice how similar the meat and bone structure is to their own meat and bone structure, and imagine themselves as cannibals. I know that I have had an aversion to meat ever since I was a child

Many parents will remark about getting children to eat meat as they move out of their infant years, noting it is hard and often the child refuses it. In fact, makers of baby food have to mince it up almost to the point it is mush and unrecognizable.

In the 1960's when world famous respected pediatrician Dr. Spock first published his book on child developement, Baby and Child Care he called those parents who insisted on feeding their children a vegetarian diet reckless and a danger to the child's health, stating that for a child to develope healthily, they needed meat.

Several decades later he apologised for that error and in the 7th and final revision of his book he recommends a non-dairy full vegetarian diet for babies and children:

For the first time ever, the most famous paediatrician in the world would make drastic changes in his advice to parents about feeding their children. He would now recommend a mostly vegetarian diet and no dairy products at all for children over the age of two. I was chosen to help in this major revision, because Dr. Spock had been impressed by – and had written the forward for – my book, Dr. Attwood’s Low-Fat Prescription For Kids.

Dr. Spock was a vegetarian until age 12. This led to healthy growth – six feet, four inches – and great physical strength. Furthermore, he was a gold medallist at the 1924 Olympics, which was popularised in the movie, Chariots of Fire.

Throughout most of his long and spectacular career in medicine, politics, and human rights, he consumed a typical high-fat American diet. But this would change drastically after a mild stroke at age 88.

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Parents will be told in the upcoming new edition of Baby and Child Care that he is convinced children should eat a plant-based diet – mostly vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and legumes – with very little or no meat or dairy products – to avoid the leading causes of premature death later as adults: namely heart disease, stroke, cancer, and diabetes. He attributes much of these new ideas to Dr. Frank Oski, former chief of paediatrics at Johns Hopkins University and myself.

[Vivid]

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin Many parents will remark about getting children to eat meat as they move out of their infant years, noting it is hard and often the child refuses it.

Thats interesting. I wonder how many "many parents" is? What percentage of kids refuse to eat meat?

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin In fact, makers of baby food have to mince it up almost to the point it is mush and unrecognizable.

Yeah, it pretty much has to be unrecognizable for me to deal with it.

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin Parents will be told in the upcoming new edition of Baby and Child Care that he is convinced children should eat a plant-based diet – mostly vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and legumes – with very little or no meat or dairy products – to avoid the leading causes of premature death later as adults: namely heart disease, stroke, cancer, and diabetes.

How would meat consumption cause diabetes?

The more I think about this, the more I think about buying some tofu or something, and seeing whether I would like it as a replacement. But then again, isn't that made out of soy, and soy is supposed to shrink your brain or something? I wonder if there are other substances in meat that need to be supplemented?

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: Vivid How would meat consumption cause diabetes?

Through obesity. Meat is very high in protein. When people eat more than they require, which is easy to do with meat in how it is served and consumed today, that excess protein is often stored as fat.

The more I think about this, the more I think about buying some tofu or something, and seeing whether I would like it as a replacement. But then again, isn't that made out of soy, and soy is supposed to shrink your brain or something?

Have you heard of vegetarians suffering from shrunken brains? I haven`t.

Tofu is delicious. Tofu ice cream is great, too!

I wonder if there are other substances in meat that need to be supplemented?

Take a multi vitamin, and perhaps an extra tablet of B12 or iron. No hassle at all.

btw, if you cook your food in an iron skillet or kettle, you will easily get your iron needs.

[Vivid]

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin Through obesity. Meat is very high in protein. When people eat more than they require, which is easy to do with meat in how it is served and consumed today, that excess protein is often stored as fat.

K, I guess I can see how it would be easier to get fat eating meat than sticking to non-meat.

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin Have you heard of vegetarians suffering from shrunken brains? I haven`t.

I dunno. Its something I'd have to research and see if theres any validity to it.

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin Take a multi vitamin, and perhaps an extra tablet of B12 or iron. No hassle at all. btw, if you cook your food in an iron skillet or kettle, you will easily get your iron needs.

Do they derive those vitamins from non-animal sources?

What about omega 3?

Might there be numerous nutrients, substances and trace elements that you haven't included here?

[vicious-vegan]

sweeeet post =)

My IQ is pretty average actually, I think.

And hello Vivid! You're wrong, sorry. The vitamins that I take (b-12, b-6, iron, C, etc) all come from non-animal sources. There are vitamins that are made just for vegans actually so we can get everything that we need.

And soy does not shrink your brain, haha. I've heard it all. Soy makes you gay too, from what I've heard. hahaha. Actually soy milk is healthy for you. I eat a lot of tofu as well. It's really good to eat if you're trying to get in shape.

[Vivid]

Quote by: vicious-vegan sweeeet post =)

Thanks, I think... was that directed at me?

Quote by: vicious-vegan My IQ is pretty average actually, I think.

Well, Ill write you up a little chart real quick. Then you'll see approximately how normal / abnormal it is. You might be surprised.

75% of the population has an IQ between 85-115.

Heres a more specific breakdown. Remember these are rounded off approximates, just from memory:

IQ 100 - You're with the 50% of the population that has this IQ exactly.
IQ 120 - You're in the top 5%
IQ 130 - You're in the top 2%
IQ 140 - You're 1 in 1000
IQ 160 - You're 1 in 5,000 or 10,000
IQ 170 - You're 1 in 100,000 or 1 in 1,000,000

Now I'm curious, if you'll tell me, whats you're IQ?

Quote by: vicious-vegan And hello Vivid! You're wrong, sorry. The vitamins that I take (b-12, b-6, iron, C, etc) all come from non-animal sources. There are vitamins that are made just for vegans actually so we can get everything that we need.

Actually, I did not say "You cant get vitamins from non animal sources" I was actually asking because I want to know WHETHER you can. And its good to know that there are ways of getting them w/o hurting animals. How can I be sure to get the vegetarian vitamins - are the vitamin packages labeled? And what about Omega 3? Is there a non-animal source of it?

Quote by: vicious-vegan And soy does not shrink your brain, haha. I've heard it all. Soy makes you gay too, from what I've heard. hahaha. Actually soy milk is healthy for you. I eat a lot of tofu as well. It's really good to eat if you're trying to get in shape.

lol @ soy makes you gay. Hahaha. Well, Id rather be gay than small-minded... But I will still have to look into it. The fact that people lied and said it makes you gay doesn't mean it doesn't shrink the brain...

Why is tofu good to eat if you're trying to get in shape?

[pikatore]

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin Through obesity. Meat is very high in protein. When people eat more than they require, which is easy to do with meat in how it is served and consumed today, that excess protein is often stored as fat.

Meat doesn't cause obesity!!! Overconsumption causes obesity! Besides, many types of meat are lean, and are much lower in fat content. What a gross generalisation.

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin Tofu ice cream is great, too!

.... ahh... k

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin Take a multi vitamin, and perhaps an extra tablet of B12 or iron. No hassle at all.

No hassle!! You'd sacrifice the omnivorous lifestyle that nature intended for a couple of bloody tablets!!! I thought you'd advocate a natural approach.

If you eat meat in healthy portions as well as eating your veges, you will live a HEALTHIER lifestyle and have a HEALTHIER body than if you go full vege. Check my posts in the thread Vegans jailed over death of baby

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin btw, if you cook your food in an iron skillet or kettle, you will easily get your iron needs.

... :eek:

[DEEJ85]

IF meat was that unhealthy to consume, Wouldn't we have noticed that over the thousands of years it took our species to develop?

If meat caused us more harm then good, then wouldn't survival of the fittest kicked in and caused us to abandon that dangerous lifestyle thousands of years ago.

I still disagree that meat in itself is bad for us humans. Most families consume more meat then they need, Many also prepare meat in an unhealthy manner. Factory Farms can also raise meat in an unhealthy manner. I think its more that Vegetarians are more careful of what they eat. Also vegetables and fruit which seem to comprise most of their diet is the least likely food to undergo processing which makes it easier to avoid additives.

If meat is so bad for us, then why have we kept it as a food source for thousands of years? Why have the Inuit people managed to survive almost completely on animal sources without dying out because it was so unhealthy?

[Osborn F Enready]

Man could NOT have reached the point of food production technology we have today, without animals being used as food.

Farming came AFTER man developed FROM a hunter-gatherer.

[vicious-vegan]

Quote by: Vivid Actually, I did not say "You cant get vitamins from non animal sources" I was actually asking because I want to know WHETHER you can. And its good to know that there are ways of getting them w/o hurting animals. How can I be sure to get the vegetarian vitamins - are the vitamin packages labeled? And what about Omega 3? Is there a non-animal source of it?

Sure.

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You can take a look at some of the vegan vitamins here.

I just had some soy milk with Omega 3, so I guess I'm good.

Quote by: Vivid lol @ soy makes you gay. Hahaha. Well, Id rather be gay than small-minded...

Yes, I agree. =)

Quote by: Vivid Why is tofu good to eat if you're trying to get in shape?

Well its not very fatty and it has a lot of protien, something that you need to get buff- but without the fat and sugar (well it does have fat, of course, but its good fats. Like we all need some fat of course.) It's said to lower your your blood cholesterol and blood pressure levels as well, and that's always good.

[vicious-vegan]

Oh yeah, my IQ is 136- last I checked.

So I'm not crazy smart or anything but I am content. =)