Kids With High IQs Grow Up to Be Vegetarians

[StrongHeartsWin]

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SHW said:
What example specifically are you referring to that shows ARists forcing others at the point of a gun to do something for them?

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Using law, and the guns of enforcement to remove choice from American consumers...

You mean it is illegal to use laws and the legislative processes that create laws??? <chuckle>

... on irrational logic, a warped view of nature,...

Rather than declare, quote specific parts you take issue with. In that past each one of yours has been shown to be resting on nothing but prejudicial logic/reasoning -- hence now you are left with only declaring things.

... and denial of the FACT that people can and will choose to eat meat.

Where have I ever said there will never be meat eaters amongst us? Murder is illegal, but we still have murderers amongst us, don`t we?

You are nothing but a group of political activists using the law as a weapon, as opposed to a tool of equality and individual empowerment.

lol. The law sure is a tool. You and I both know that weapons, too, are tools. We will just have disagree about our view of how it is being used as. But surely, we both agree that the trend in animal protection laws are on the rise. To deny that, is to deny reality. You are not denying reality, are you OFE?

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: sevendogs This is how they[ARists] exercise censorship in their forums, but they enter other forums, in which they are tolerated. This is what you do, Sir.

I have never stayed around an AR forum long enough to come to know the different personalities, so could not comment on that. I imagine they might ban people for coming in with comments like People Eating Tasty Animals etc... But for the most part ARists, if the board is not a board for coordinating activist work, welcome serious debate. Other than that, all I can say is that your testimony about it can`t be verified, hence it is of little value on a site like this which is mostly devoted to debate.

Sorry you could not offer serious enough discussion on a mature level at the other boards that did not keep you from getting banned. That seems to be what you have done, Sir.

[Osborn F Enready]

SHW said: You mean it is illegal to use laws and the legislative processes that create laws???

If you seek to trample unalienable rights, yes, clearly. (no chuckle)

SHW said: Rather than declare, quote specific parts you take issue with. In that past each one of yours has been shown to be resting on nothing but prejudicial logic/reasoning -- hence now you are left with only declaring things.

I don't even have to declare anything. I just have to highlight your post, and quote it to show your authoritarian fetishism. You have already been exposed. I don't even have an axe to grind with you anymore, since I have accepted you as "unchangeable", as you are proving to be. More power to you, I hope you spread your seed far and wide.

SHW said: Where have I ever said there will never be meat eaters amongst us? Murder is illegal, but we still have murderers amongst us, don`t we?

You think legality means something, when it comes down to surivival. You're wrong.

Murder is illegal, as it is murder of another equal, against their will. Some societies practice cannibalism, our does not. We practice respect for our equals, and observe an unalienable right to protect those rights.

Murdering an animal, that is not an equal, for food, is part of our natural food chain.

Legality means nothing when survival is at stake.

SHW said: lol. The law sure is a tool. You and I both know that weapons, too, are tools.

Exactly, and the more you elevate the use of law as a tool against individual citizens for acting naturally, the more people will elevate weapons as a tool against law. Common sense. Why you pushing for war?

SHW said: We will just have disagree about our view of how it is being used as. But surely, we both agree that the trend in animal protection laws are on the rise. To deny that, is to deny reality. You are not denying reality, are you OFE?

No, I expect it, and people like you, to bring the much needed revolt to a head. It is becoming obvious to all but the sheeple now.

I have no fears of either extreme, and prepare for both. Good luck, you'll need it. I just hope you folks know what nest of bees you are stirring, and its clear YOU do.

Easy come, easy go.

[sevendogs]

Stronheart, censorship and strict ideological supervision in AR forums is a common truth known to everyone who tried to debate there. It is said already in their forum rules, "veganism' or 'animal rights' are not subject ot doubts of discussion... So, you cannot get there and if you did, you will be banned. Anyway, AR are utopists, they have nio chance to succeed, but they are nuisance.
Here is face of your leaders:
"A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's founder and president, Washingtonian Magazine, August 1986

Well, why do you want to neuter and spaay all those boys and girls? If this is not ethical to do on humans, why do you want to do it on animals? I have never wanted a mutilated in any way animal, because I want them happy and natural.

[StrongHeartsWin]

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SHW said:
You mean it is illegal to use laws and the legislative processes that create laws???

Quote by: Osborn F Enready If you seek to trample unalienable rights, yes, clearly. (no chuckle)

Where does it say that forcing calves to be anemic, non-mobile, amputating without anethesia, etc... is an "unalienble" right? Me thinks you interpret things too widely and assume too much liberty with thinking that things stay static. Time progresses, and with that so do values, and laws will change to reflect those values of the common people. But, there is always that lag between values and laws.

You think legality means something, when it comes down to surivival.

LIke I said before, if we were in a survival situation and on a raft, despite murder being against the law, I may kill and eat you. BUT notice to OFE: WE ARE NOT IN AN IMMEDIATE SURVIVAL SITUATION! Therefore, we can afford to spread compassion and mercy around. However, I do recognize that it is the miserly amongst us who cannot do so.

... to bring the much needed revolt to a head. It is becoming obvious to all but the sheeple now. I have no fears of either extreme, and prepare for both. Good luck, you'll need it.

Humorous back to the bunker mentality, or shopping mall with arms when frustration cannot be thrown off. Scary.

[Osborn F Enready]

Thank you for quoting the important parts.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: sevendogs So, you cannot get there[AR forums] and if you did, you will be banned.

What site were you banned from? What was your handle? What was your last post?

If you want to keep going forward with a personal testimonial then supply more info so it can be verified as much as possible. Other than that, it is just a testimonial that cannot be confirmed.

Anyway, AR are utopists,

It seems to always be the supporters of animal exploitation that constantly harp we have to take care of the human problems before working on the problems that are facing the animals. Thing is, you would have to be a Utopist to think that the human problems would ever be completely solved. Knowing that they won`t, ARists are realists and hence understand that issues involving animals and humans can both be addressed concurrently without consigning one to wait for the other.

[loser]

Athletes gorge themselves on red meat and other good sources of protein for the sole purpose of bulking up with muscle. Ever hear the term 'muscle-head'?

Originally, mankind was designed to be vegetarian. Mankind would live longer and be more healthy (and probably a whole lot smarter) if he didn't eat meat and he would be a lot less violent. He would probably gain 5-10 years of life just from the lessened stress of gravity upon his body.

Meat=brawn (flesh)
Vegetable=brain (spirit)

Eating of meat requires the shedding of blood; eating vegetables doesn't.

Man is more brutish and animalistic because he is a meat-eater.

Having said that, what can I say?

I'm an animal. I eat meat.

I can only wonder how high my IQ would have been if I had not become a meathead.

Oh, well...I'll have to think on this some more later...my wife just told me the pork chops were ready (but I am having a green salad with it).

[SpideySpirit]

So vegetarians of the likes of Tobey Maguire(Spiderman), Chris Evans(Fantastic4 human torch), Christian Bale(Batman) & King Kong etal don't have "brawn"......Loser who are u kidding??

[Epistemologist]

King Kong is a vegetarian? Didn't he chew up the tongue of that raccoon monster? No, that was Godzilla. I thought King Kong ate people though.

Regardless, yes, you don't need meat to be muscular. Meat might help you, but yeah, I saw those Spiderman movies and Batman Begins, and the vegetarian lead actors were pretty muscular.

Again, I still question this study. Perhaps there's some sort of correlation, but being vegetarian doesn't definitely cause a higher IQ.

[pikatore]

Quote by: SpideySpirit So vegetarians of the likes of Tobey Maguire(Spiderman), Chris Evans(Fantastic4 human torch), Christian Bale(Batman) & King Kong etal don't have "brawn"......Loser who are u kidding??

In the King Kong videogame on my mobile, King Kong eats the meats of dinosaurs he kills to regain health. He doesn't eat a nearby tree.

So cross King Kong off your list.

[Mozart1220]

I was tested at 157 in high school (while stoned I might add). I usually skip the salads and go right for the meat and potatoes. Now my potato intake might label me more on the "veggie" side, but I LOVE Pork. Pork roast, pork chops, pork steak, and let's not forget God's ultimate reason for creating pigs...BACON.


BTW, pigs eat almost anything in front of them and they are considered smarter than dogs (who also eat anything, including their own vomit)

[Duke1985]

Quote by: pikatore In the King Kong videogame on my mobile, King Kong eats the meats of dinosaurs he kills to regain health. He doesn't eat a nearby tree. So cross King Kong off your list.

thats pretty hilarious.

[Zee-Axis]

I'll generally eat whatever is layed-out in front of me and, I'm so dumb I don't even know what an IQ is... So there!

[deepk]

I really like this theory that as IQ grows so does your instict to become a vegetarian. Killing animals just for the sake of satisfying your taste buds is outright cruelty and is uncalled for.

[SpideySpirit]

It's referred to a 'Moral Schizophrenia', humans collectively suffer from this odd hypocrisy, which for the most part they aren't consciously aware of.
Some here proclaim high IQ's but are oblivious to this insanity in the logic of their morality....

You need simply to enquire of them the following:

"Do you believe we should not cause unnecessary suffering to animals??" It's hard to find anyone of above average intellect that would not agree...... Once you get an affirmative, then the logic is undeniable & points out in no uncertain terms an obvious hypocrisy that implies they are not serious about morality, & we wonder why there is so much violence in the world........

[Osborn F Enready]

Animals don't have rights under the same auspice from which human rights are derived.

That is the fundamental problem.

Animals suffering does not TRUMP human needs, and humans have a corner on the market of logic, reason and philosophy.

Know any animal philosophers? Maybe then we can talk about rights equality for animals.

[Sugar]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Animals don't have rights under the same auspice from which human rights are derived. That is the fundamental problem. Animals suffering does not TRUMP human needs, and humans have a corner on the market of logic, reason and philosophy. Know any animal philosophers? Maybe then we can talk about rights equality for animals.

Logic or No Logic, you cannot justify animal being killed to fulfill human desired. Animals too have rights and now that animal rights activists like PETA have come forward we can see vegetarianism grow and also the kids IQ

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Animals don't have rights under the same auspice from which human rights are derived.

Right. We are just behind the curve, but we are catching up. In due time, in due time.

That is the fundamental problem.

Only at the moment. Time and progress do not stand still. Advances and change in social thought come about.

Animals suffering does not TRUMP human needs,...

What human need these days MUST be satisfied by causing animals to suffer?

... and humans have a corner on the market of logic, reason and philosophy.

Yes, so what? Moral patients have no logic, reason, or philosophy, but are protected. There are a growing number of moral agents who are philosophers, lawyers, and scientists working on behalf of moral patients in many of the forms they come in.

Know any animal philosophers? Maybe then we can talk about rights equality for animals.

Animal philosophers are not needed. Human philosophers are working on their behalf gaining victories in law and legislation for them. The discussion for animal rights is a growing field and has been working its way up into higher and higher echolons of society over the years. Even here you seem compelled to talk about them, not being able to dismiss and ignore them.

The more hearing we get for our grievances against their suffering, the larger our numbers grow as the issues get brought forward. You are aiding that by helping to be a soundboard and keeping the discussion at the forefront where discussions in forums are being held. Thank you.

[kubedawg]

Quote by: Sugar Logic or No Logic, you cannot justify animal being killed to fulfill human desired. Animals too have rights and now that animal rights activists like PETA have come forward we can see vegetarianism grow and also the kids IQ

And why not? Plants are living things, just because they might not be able to feel pain before they die, they still die. So I don't see the logic of not killing animals but killing plants.

It simply baffles me.

Human desire can supercede logic, reason, and philosophy, and that is why banning the production of killing animals to feed humans, regardless of the reason for us wanting to eat that animal, will never happen.

Your best bet is to follow some extreme religion that worships cattle or something...