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lessthan · May 13, 2004, 06:36 pm

This thing is very stupid how the governemtn gets to tax you for what. they arent even doing anything they are just riding the piggy all the way to the bank. its ther companies that realyl do the work. the gov't should not really have an influential tax on it. i lookd at my bill and there like 15$ in gov't taxes + the 40 i pay for my service. the gov't should get like a fraction of that they shouldnt be able to charge it when they dont even do anything

gregh · May 13, 2004, 07:00 pm

not sure what you did to piss the gov off. I know i do not pay anywhere near that much in tax

**Pooeypants** · May 13, 2004, 07:36 pm

I'm sure they've got a legitimate reason to do it, and if they don't we vote them out of power? After all, we do live in a democracy...don't we?

Dieval · May 13, 2004, 07:40 pm

I'm not thrilled about paying the taxes to the govt, but they have to make money somehow...

Mr.Vicchio · May 13, 2004, 08:16 pm

They own the air waves, thats why you are paying taxes. Thanks.

Autophage · May 13, 2004, 10:08 pm

If it bothers you, leave.
I for one wish I could run a radio station without a permit, because permits cost too much... cell phones, I couldn't care less about.

lessthan · May 13, 2004, 11:25 pm

how can they own something that is all around us?

NotScientific · May 20, 2004, 09:19 am

can't we have something the government hasn't?

Compugasm · Jun 2, 2004, 09:39 am

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Originally posted by lessthan,
how can they own something that is all around us?

I went to Radio/Broadcasting school, and it was said that there is very limited "bandwidth" on the spectrum to actually broadcast things. Technically it does belong to all of us, but communication would be almost impossible without organizing it in some manner. This ensures that public, private, emergency, and future expansion will be able to function without stepping on eachother.

Mia · Jun 2, 2004, 11:50 am

The amount is still high. Like a vice tax or something. Same for home phone lines, which is especially bad as they are a necessity.

Samildanach · Jun 2, 2004, 12:17 pm

I'm not sure how it works in the states but as far as I know companies here bid a certain amount to buy a piece of spectrum, and they get the right to use that frequency. anyone who wants to buy their products and use them eg cell phone compnies charge a monthly charge or a charge based on usage. As far as I'm concnerend the govt doesn't have the right to tax you for something they have effectively rented/sold off to a third party for the third party to make profit out of....in effect the public would be being charged twice.

Hobgoblin · Jun 14, 2004, 02:19 am

Lessthan

Quote:

Originally posted by Lessthan
This thing is very stupid how the governemtn gets to tax you for what. they arent even doing anything they are just riding the piggy all the way to the bank.

I personally don’t own a cell phone, Lessthan, yet I still feel your pain. $15 does sound high. The way you had phrased your poll question I was force to vote “YES”, though. The government has the right to get some taxes. I would possible support lowering the taxes on cell phones if I studied the numbers first. The problem is the government will simply squeeze the money from elsewhere. I would agree that nickel and dimming has got to stop. Taxes should be given to the government like someone would take off a Band-Aid, quickly and all at once.

castille · Jun 14, 2004, 02:45 am

Home phones are NOT a necessity. You can live without a phone. What the hell do you think people in 1000AD did?

Mia · Jun 14, 2004, 03:48 am

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Originally posted by castille,
Home phones are NOT a necessity. You can live without a phone. What the hell do you think people in 1000AD did?

My mistake. I thought the world changed since then. :rolleyes:

rlwinton · Jun 28, 2004, 03:28 pm

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Originally posted by Pooeypants,
I'm sure they've got a legitimate reason to do it, and if they don't we vote them out of power? After all, we do live in a democracy...don't we?

there's the thing--i think some of us feel such powerlessness in our gov't because most of us aren't literate in government that the only tool we have is to complain. every time someone has been in office it seems we're voting for "the lesser of two evils", plus the damn electoral college seems to be the final deciding factor, which can make all of our votes null. to get voted from both the conservatives and liberals, you gotta be in the middle of the road when it comes to platforms. therefore, all we have in power are conservative middle of the road don't wanna decide anything bitches. i believe in voting and do, because i don't think anyone who is legal to vote and doesn't but still bitches ought to be slapped.
plus, how do you start a revolution?
genuine question--any answers?
as far as my own opinion on the cell phone-tax thing--i think taxes on cell phones are fine, because it can go towards social programs and other good causes [of course, there's bad causes, like the Bush presidential campaign, but i'm getting off topic...]

dotcoma · Jun 28, 2004, 03:32 pm

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Home phones are NOT a necessity. You can live without a phone. What the hell do you think people in 1000AD did?

My mistake. I thought the world changed since then. :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
that was funny. castille, have you ever NOT disagreed with something?

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May 13, 2004, 06:36 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
lessthan Igneous Magma Location: Buffalo NY ( hell ) Posts: 196	This thing is very stupid how the governemtn gets to tax you for what. they arent even doing anything they are just riding the piggy all the way to the bank. its ther companies that realyl do the work. the gov't should not really have an influential tax on it. i lookd at my bill and there like 15$ in gov't taxes + the 40 i pay for my service. the gov't should get like a fraction of that they shouldnt be able to charge it when they dont even do anything My, my what a mess we've made Of our pretty little heads these days. It appears a heavy wind's blown through here recently. Best wishes have been made for you

May 13, 2004, 07:00 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
gregh Molten Ash Posts: 28	not sure what you did to piss the gov off. I know i do not pay anywhere near that much in tax Center for better government Political Book Club

May 13, 2004, 07:36 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	I'm sure they've got a legitimate reason to do it, and if they don't we vote them out of power? After all, we do live in a democracy...don't we? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

May 13, 2004, 07:40 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,766	I'm not thrilled about paying the taxes to the govt, but they have to make money somehow... "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

May 13, 2004, 08:16 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	They own the air waves, thats why you are paying taxes. Thanks. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

May 13, 2004, 10:08 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Autophage Molten Ash Location: Washington, DC-ish Posts: 103	If it bothers you, leave. I for one wish I could run a radio station without a permit, because permits cost too much... cell phones, I couldn't care less about.

May 13, 2004, 11:25 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
lessthan Igneous Magma Location: Buffalo NY ( hell ) Posts: 196	how can they own something that is all around us? My, my what a mess we've made Of our pretty little heads these days. It appears a heavy wind's blown through here recently. Best wishes have been made for you

May 20, 2004, 09:19 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
NotScientific Molten Ash Location: Mauritius Posts: 35	can't we have something the government hasn't? I'm Columnist here at Volconvo.com and also at BackWash.com. Check my columns in the Science forum then.

Jun 2, 2004, 11:50 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	The amount is still high. Like a vice tax or something. Same for home phone lines, which is especially bad as they are a necessity. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Jun 2, 2004, 12:17 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	I'm not sure how it works in the states but as far as I know companies here bid a certain amount to buy a piece of spectrum, and they get the right to use that frequency. anyone who wants to buy their products and use them eg cell phone compnies charge a monthly charge or a charge based on usage. As far as I'm concnerend the govt doesn't have the right to tax you for something they have effectively rented/sold off to a third party for the third party to make profit out of....in effect the public would be being charged twice. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Jun 14, 2004, 02:45 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Home phones are NOT a necessity. You can live without a phone. What the hell do you think people in 1000AD did? Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.