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luke virtual kh · Oct 27, 2006, 05:32 pm

About.com: http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/health/feeds/hscout/2005/07/14/hscout526845.html

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Amid the debate over the value of prayer and so-called "noetic interventions" to help people heal, a new study finds that prayer and bedside therapy of music, imagery and touch don't improve the outcomes of patients undergoing heart procedures.

madprophet · Oct 27, 2006, 05:44 pm

Science is anti-religion! It's a dirty athiest conspiracy!

kubedawg · Oct 28, 2006, 10:40 am

Prayer does help patients in any hospital as science is not required to help someone believe in god. If one believes, it can help them survive instead of giving up.

madprophet · Oct 28, 2006, 02:55 pm

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Prayer does help patients in any hospital as science is not required to help someone believe in god. If one believes, it can help them survive instead of giving up.

If someone doesn't want to die, it can help them survive instead of giving up (if there's any basis for all this mind over body crap.)

Wouldn't a belief in God and an afterlife logically lead one to accept death and let go? How exactly does Faith make you cling to life? (Especially a life of pain and disease?)

kubedawg · Oct 29, 2006, 02:13 am

Well speaking of divine intervention like God helping someone to survive, no, that is probably not going to happen, although it may be possible, if God does exist. Now, speaking of praying and the person not wanting to die, sometimes people have the will to do enormous things, an this may be one of them. They develop strengths either physically, or mentally that allow them to get through tough times in their lives. Does this mean that God doesn't exist? No, this is just our rationality when someone lifts up a car to save a family member or what causes people to run into burning buildings to save the lives of others, or what causes someone to survive because they have unfinished business on this planet.

Oct 27, 2006, 05:44 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
madprophet Dedicated Anarchist Posts: 172	Science is anti-religion! It's a dirty athiest conspiracy! "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -- Johann Von Goethe

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kubedawg Magma Posts: 1,032	Prayer does help patients in any hospital as science is not required to help someone believe in god. If one believes, it can help them survive instead of giving up. "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power.

Oct 29, 2006, 02:13 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
kubedawg Magma Posts: 1,032	Well speaking of divine intervention like God helping someone to survive, no, that is probably not going to happen, although it may be possible, if God does exist. Now, speaking of praying and the person not wanting to die, sometimes people have the will to do enormous things, an this may be one of them. They develop strengths either physically, or mentally that allow them to get through tough times in their lives. Does this mean that God doesn't exist? No, this is just our rationality when someone lifts up a car to save a family member or what causes people to run into burning buildings to save the lives of others, or what causes someone to survive because they have unfinished business on this planet. "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power.