Global Warming

[atheist]

Quote by: Plasma Snake[D] I highly doubt that there is such a thing as global warming. Just ask the africanized killer bees on Y2K. I think that Al Gore is either a misguided individual looking for attention or that he has some type of hidden agendas. How can we give ourselves that much credit to think that we could affect global weather patterns in such a short amount of time? Earth is a huge place. Im sure it would take a couple more centuries.

Global warming is not like Y2K or killer bees. A lot of research goes into how our activities affect the environment, and there's hard core evidence out there that proves how we have changed biological life on earth. To assume that Earth is too huge a place to destroy is very pitiful thinking. For one thing, if the U,S and all the other countries out there with nuclear stuff, released all it's nuclear bombs and weapons upon the planet, the toxins in the air would be enough to poison enough people that we'd all be dead within the next few years.

We know how erosion happens, why the ocean is as polluted as it is, how urbanization affects and destroys previously existing ecosystems, how pollution adds to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and eats away at the ozone, and that this ozone will not always be there, and when that happens, earth won't have it's protective layer to shield our delicate lives from extinction.

The earth, by all means, will go on living. It's the species living on earth that will either have to adapt/evolve, or lose out on life. That inclues humans.

We need to take responsibility for our actions. And we better figure something out before it's to late to protect our future children.

[jamesbdunn]

Quote by: atheist We need to take responsibility for our actions. And we better figure something out before it's to late to protect our future children.

Say Yeah to that!

NASA published a report citing that even if we reduce greenhouse gas emissions that Global Warming will continue. We're going to have to do more than just stop pollution, we are going to have to devise a means to reverse Global Warming to allow mother nature time to heal herself.

James Dunn
Yahoo! 360° - Scientific Technologies & Political Reform - Weather Control System (WCS)

[Chris]

Plant a tree! Thats the only way we can sop up all of this excess CO2

[dariam]

I’m agree with what Al Gore shows in his movie An inconvenient truth, which is all about global warming.
I think that humans are the principal cause of the global warming. Since we got here temperatures and CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere have been increasing considerably. I think that Gore exaggerates a little bit too when he says that in 50 years or less we may not be here because of the global warming, but I agree with him in do something to stop it.

[Mozart1220]

Quote by: xyzer Pooey.. If you question my contention.."By the way, can you show me how Al Gore is earning from his film?" Its up to you to prove he didn't get paid for his participation in this travesty of truth? I don't have to do it! Prove I'm wrong. Just remember not much in the entertainment/media is done without some sort of recompense..If President Clinton receives 6 figure payouts for short speeches and appearances I think you might find Gore is getting similar payoffs. Any way prove I'm wrong...You haved the internet at your disposal if you know how to use it.

Daddy Bush gets paid too, and just because someone profited from making the film (which allows the making of more films, that's how the business works) does not mean the subject matter is false. Science, not predjudice.

[dariam]

that's a good point of view. I haven't thought about it before.
and it's truth, I rent the movie in blockbuster, and I saw it too by cable tv. There is money around the movie, but Gore needs to eat too man.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Gore cashing in? YOU BET ya he is.

Strong is on the board of directors of the Chicago Climate Exchange, Wikipedia-described as "the world's first and North America's only legally binding greenhouse gas emission registry reduction system for emission sources and offset projects in North America and Brazil." Gore buys his carbon off-sets from himself--the Generation Investment Management LLP, "an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 with offices in London and Washington, D.C." of which he is both chairman and founding partner. To hear the saving-the-earth singsong of this dynamic duo, even the feather light petals of cherry blossoms in Washington leave a bigger carbon footprint.

Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it

[Mr.Vicchio]

Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many "facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold. Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic). Human activites contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers

Putting it all together: total human greenhouse gas contributions add up to about 0.28% of the greenhouse effect.

.28% of Greenhouse gases are man made. .28% Do you REALLY think we have that big of an effect? That the earth is that fragile that a .28% increase is going to cause the world to end?

[Nono]

Quote by: Vic's source Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin.

Thus spake Mobil oil or whoever sponsors Vicchio's link ("geocraft").

Vic, what vaporizes water? Hmm? Heat, that's what? And what causes increased heat?

Back to the drawing board buddy.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Wow Nono, you are a tool aren't you?


"Mobile Oil" ROFL. It's people like you that empower the true scam artist here.

Seriously, do you ever ya know, think before you type or just go with whatever the current fad is and call your self informed?

Water Vapor is the PRIMARY Global Warming Gas, MAN contributes to a WHOLE .28% READ that, that's not 28% that's POINT-TWO-EIGHT PERCENT!

.28% of all Global Warming Gases. Let's all say that again, POINT TWO EIGHT PERCENT.


Hmmm... Man .28%.. that's like cutting a penny into thirds and taking one of those thirds and shaving it down then tossing it into a bucket of 100 pennies.

Really makes a difference eh?


You guys blow my mind, you see a giant "Big Oil" conspiracy, yet you totally ignore the scam artist selling you their snake oil. AMAZING.

[Nono]

Stop ranting, Vicchio. You tellin me there's somehow more H2O on the planet than a century ago?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Nono,

Man contributes a sum total of .28% of Global Warming Gases.

You're gonna tell em that in the great scheme of the Earth's existence, of WARMER times and colder times, that .28% is what's driving the climate, nto say... normal climate variations due to a large and complex system that includes our orbit, the sun's heat output, wobbles in the earth's rotation and other such. that you believe, wholeheartedly that.28% is that serious of an issue that it's causing "Global Warming!".


That you don't find it odd at all that in the mid-1970's all the great minds in Climate were CERTAIN we were headed for a new Ice age, and a MERE 40 years later we are now headed for "Global Warming"?


You give man far too much credit, and mother nature not nearly enough.

[Nono]

And in 2007 Vicchio is CERTAIN that the figure in 0.28%.
Magic figure he got hold of from Oil-fired website.
Laughable.

I join you in saluting Milankovich and Co. But some day even you will wake up and smell the coffee.
In the meantime, laughable.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Oil fired website..

Can you back this up with anything other then your assertion? Do you have any basis of fact for this? Let's see it! Come on... let's see it.


I've shown where the money powering the Global Warming types is. Carbon Credits, where is your proof this information is from "Big Oil" Come on nancy boy, you are quick to throw that out there, where is your PROOF

[Mr.Vicchio]

References (1) A scientific Discussion of Climate Change, Sallie Baliunas, Ph.D., Harvard- Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and Willie Soon, Ph.D., Harvard- Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. (2) The Effects of Proposals for Greenhouse Gas Emission Reduction; Testimony of Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, Professor of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia, before the Subcommittee on Energy and Environment of the Committee on Science, United States House of Representatives (3) Statement Concerning Global Warming-- Presented to the Senate Committee on Environmental and Public Works, June 10, 1997, by Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (4) Excerpts from,"Our Global Future: Climate Change", Remarks by Under Secretary for Global affairs, T. Wirth, 15 September 1997. Site maintained by The Globe - Climate Change Campaign (5) Testimony of John R. Christy to the Committee on Environmental and Public Works, Department of Atmospheric Science and Earth System Science Laboratory, University of Alabama in Huntsville, July 10, 1997. (6) The Carbon Dioxide Thermometer and the Cause of Global Warming; Nigel Calder,-- Presented at a seminar SPRU (Science and Technology Policy Research), University of Sussex, Brighton, England, October 6, 1998. (7) Variation in cosmic ray flux and global cloud coverage: a missing link in solar-climate relationships; H. Svensmark and E. Friis-Christiansen, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar- Terrestrial Physics, vol. 59, pp. 1225 - 1232 (1997). (8) First International Conference on Global Warming and the Next Ice Age; Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, sponsored by the Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society and the American Meteorological Society, August 21-24, 2001.

Global Warming:A Chilling Perspective

References for your reading. Oh look! No oil companies! I bet I know what you will say!

"It has to be big oil because they are the only ones against Global Warming to line their own POCKETS!"

Man you are predictable, I almost BET I see that when I hit send.

Did you know that AL GORE, the Saint of your Global Warming Movement founded and has his very own CARBON CREDIT Company? Yes that's right, he SELLS the damn things! Conflict of interest anyone?

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers .28% of Greenhouse gases are man made. .28% Do you REALLY think we have that big of an effect? That the earth is that fragile that a .28% increase is going to cause the world to end?

The website cites that 3.225% CO2 in our atmosphere is man made, given that we've seen an increase of 280ppm to 380ppm which coincidences directly with our industrial revolution, this is highly unlikely, that is wrong.
Your article does cite real references but, for example, the numbers for table is meant to be in ref 1 but I don't see any.
Got to say, their webpage is very convincing to a layman so I'm not the least surprised that you're using it.

[Mr.Vicchio]

No, it's not wrong. If you bother to read the lay out, it's quite right. I love how you ATTEMPT to disparage me with the snide and arrogant "Layman" crap, but I trying to give you explanations that are simple, K.I.S.S. is a guiding principle of wise men.

Now, are you going to keep insulting me, or are you going to present something substantial that discounts what I have brought to the table?

If you want table one, here it is:

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio No, it's not wrong. If you bother to read the lay out, it's quite right. I love how you ATTEMPT to disparage me with the snide and arrogant "Layman" crap, but I trying to give you explanations that are simple, K.I.S.S. is a guiding principle of wise men. Now, are you going to keep insulting me, or are you going to present something substantial that discounts what I have brought to the table? If you want table one, here it is:

Mr Vicchio, that's the graph, table 1 is...the one labelled table 1. It says the data is sourced from DoE with a web reference below. I followed it to that reference and cannot see the figures they used for natural/man made contributions.

[Mr.Vicchio]

DOH! That's my fault, go to the site, Table one is listed, it looks like it was made in excel thus will not translate well into a quote here.

It's there, and they explain it. My bad on posting the wrong image.

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio DOH! That's my fault, go to the site, Table one is listed, it looks like it was made in excel thus will not translate well into a quote here. It's there, and they explain it. My bad on posting the wrong image.

No, I've seen the table itself, and it does give a reference to where that data was drawn from BUT their reference but does not seem to have the numbers. Do you see what I mean?