Global Warming

[Pooeypants]

Pooey..you ask if I ever read scientific papers? Yes I do, and I have repeatedly pointed out the flaws in the models and the admitted impreciseness of the forecasts...

Then why do you question their cautious language as if it was odd? It's how all scientific papers are written.

This particular paper does not absolve us, there is still the other 50% unaccounted for.

Here is anoother valid cause for skepticism...

That particular source you've already posted, except it was minus the commentary.
Allow me to highlight something that the author of the paper on the Ocean Cooling has said,

Lyman said the recent cooling is not unprecedented. "While global ocean temperatures have generally increased over the past 50 years, there have also been substantial decadal decreases," he said. "Other studies have shown that a similar rapid cooling took place from 1980 to 1983. But overall, the long-term trend is warming."

NASA

Even the former Chief Economist of the WTO has come to accept the reality of Global warming and our role in it. Perhaps it's time you face reality too.
Also, I'll ask you again, do you have citations from respectable scientific organisations to support your side?

[Pooeypants]

Oh, here's a good page commenting about one of your Sources. Prof Bob Carter indeed.

[JohnMK]

Oh come on Pooeypants, you know as well as I do that when a scientist says "may," they really mean "hellfire and brimstone."

[xyzer]

I agree John..

Oh come on Pooeypants, you know as well as I do that when a scientist says "may," they really mean "hellfire and brimstone."

Its the press that picks up this stuff and pushes it, with embellishments, out to the public.What is intended to be a cautious appraisal becomes a forcast of doom in the media...:eek:

[grandpa]

Independent Online Edition > Environment

The growth in global emissions of carbon dioxide from fossil fuels over the past five years was four times greater than for the preceding 10 years, according to a study that exposes critical flaws in the attempts to avert damaging climate change.

[xyzer]

JohnMK ...interesting chart? Who was doing the measuring back in 1890? What sort of devices(other that a sniff test) were used for these measurements and where were they taken?
Where were the ice cores drawn? Is the CO2 concentration universal all over the globe,or are there differences in the concentrations?(seems like they should be higher near greater industial centers)? Could there be some interesting questions about the origin of all global temperature measurements before modern times? How and where were theytaken in some of the remoter areas of the world? Were the instumentas accurate and the data consistiently taken?
Just a few questions that the global climate doomsday types might consider?

Of cours there is the basic question of just how can we mere earthlings (who have only one possible source to curb in this imagined scenario of saving world climate) possibly contribute to changing the cours of world climate? Since we haven't proved that human caused emissions are a MAJOR factor in the worlds climate just how do we manipulate these emissions to have an effect and how long will it take to slow the warming? Of course we must also consider what is the economic cost to humanity of such efforts?

II'm sure those who believe can conjure up proofs?! I can't believe it, however. Admission that the earth is in a warming cycle is there. Evidence that human caused emissions are affecting the warming trend is not there? I still feel it may be a worthy cause to reduce emissions for human health reasons but such rductions wont IMO affect climate change?

[Milton Bradley]

I just saw the Ohio Add Council ( or is that A.D.D. Concil? ) pushing the concept of Global Warming, so now I have to call the whole premise into question again.


Soory, but you just can't believe one thing that comes out of the agency.

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: xyzer JohnMK ...interesting chart? Who was doing the measuring back in 1890? What sort of devices(other that a sniff test) were used for these measurements and where were they taken? Where were the ice cores drawn? Is the CO2 concentration universal all over the globe,or are there differences in the concentrations?(seems like they should be higher near greater industial centers)? Could there be some interesting questions about the origin of all global temperature measurements before modern times? How and where were theytaken in some of the remoter areas of the world? Were the instumentas accurate and the data consistiently taken? Just a few questions that the global climate doomsday types might consider?

If you're questioning the validity of the data and their assessments, please cite the relevant papers and elaborate on them.

[LeFaux]

No, I have not read Al Gore's two books, "Truth In The Balance," and "A Convenient Lie." What he presents the world is something his grandchildren will forever ask, "What was he smoking, loco weed?"

Lewis Lapham, not a paragon of conservativism, tells us in his "Waiting For The Barbarians" that the truly erudite in America is three percent. When I challenged him and wrote him that the truly intellectual was one percent, he did not question my assessment.

What we have been presented is junk science! What we have been given are Weapons of Mass Distortion (WMD). One of the most important book to have been written on Global Warming is "The Satanic Gases" by Partick J. Michaels and Robert C. Ballings, Jr. It is must reading!

There is a consistent effort to blame America for all the evils that one finds in the world. Have you wondered why? Who are the blamers? Do you know?

Now that the Democrats control both houses, they will now cure the ills that confront the world. Had they been in power earlier, Superman would be alive today. How much do we really know of Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer? One thing is sure, the country is in a struggle between Socialism and Capitalism. You must choose!

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: LeFaux Now that the Democrats control both houses, they will now cure the ills that confront the world. Had they been in power earlier, Superman would be alive today. How much do we really know of Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer? One thing is sure, the country is in a struggle between Socialism and Capitalism. You must choose!

The ultimatum between Democrats, and Republicans is more of a choice between socialism, and fascism.


Neocons are anything but capitalists.

[Nathan Struth]

Does everyone believe global warming exists? I do.

[Nathan Struth]

But...don't go with AL Gores movie because all he does to stop global warming is make graphs that show time going backwards and driving in an SUV (an inconveniant truth). What could be done to solve this is probably planting a lot of trees. 6CO 2 + 6H20 = 6 O2 + 3 C6H12O6. I'm too lazy to balance the equation...

[jamesbdunn]

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[jamesbdunn]

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[xyzer]

A more recent article on the "mass Delusion" created by the press and other Gorelike, greedy, 'Hockey Stick", Neanderthals is here....Sign Up

It amazes me how easily the public can be duped(influenced) by demagoguery? When one listens, with some allowance for credulity, to Barbara Boxer, one is lost in idiocy!
Also read this one...http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2922-6839r.htm

[xyzer]

James..Since when did controlling weatheraffect Climate? The inverse is true, climate affects weather, does it not? I can't believe such nonsense is even recorded? I would posit we don't have the wherewithal to influence weather..we can't even predict weather with any certainty and so what would you be affecting if it hasn't occurred yet? Add to that the imponderable of the extreme variations in weather on a global basis and this theory unravels into lunacy?

Of course Chairman Dean is a bit of flake alrready. He will probably pick up this bit of lunacy and run with it. Keep posted.

[Pooeypants]

Climate change sceptics lose vital argument The "hockey stick" graph, which shows a rapid rise in world temperatures over recent decades, has been both poster child for the dangers of human- induced global warming and prime target for climate change sceptics. They cite an anomaly in the graph - it does not record a dip in temperature between 1200 and 1850 - as reason to ditch the whole thing. Now new data may help explain why the graph does not record the "little ice age". Ocean currents in the North Atlantic, dominated by the Gulf Stream, usually keep winter temperatures in western Europe mild by carrying warm water north from the tropics towards Europe and heating the westerly winds travelling from North America. Climate scientists have suspected that a weak Gulf Stream may have caused the little ice age, but until now there has been no direct evidence for this theory.

Source

[xyzer]

Pooey..
Here is the latest resume of the global warming controversy..
from the standpoint of skepticism I'll have to admit? But it does support my doubts. There are many references available to truth seekers.
U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works

I repeat the press coverage and quotes are continually characterized with posibilities rather than consensus and certainty..words like..could, might, may, predominate. That in itself should raise a warning sign? So should the shift in so called press consensus on the progression of changing climate cycles which is so evident in the reporting by the major media...Forecasts of doom are omnipresent whether its cooler or warmer???. The usual illogic associated with press coverage? Since we really don't know what the future holds how can we rely on the latest scientific attempts to forecast climate when we can't even forecast weather accurately?

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: xyzer I repeat the press coverage and quotes are continually characterized with posibilities rather than consensus and certainty..words like..could, might, may, predominate. That in itself should raise a warning sign?

I thought you said you had a Science degree. In fact, we've had this debate before. You know full well that in science, you ALWAYS use the words "could, might and may", this is because nothing in science has 100% certainty. You KNOW this is how science operates, all good answers must be given with an error of caution because NO conclusion is absolute.
You know this yet to use this argument over and over again.

As for weather prediction, that's another stupid argument, do you know what the difference between weather and climate is? I know you do but in your attempt to grasp at something you've got a fist full of straws.

[Plasma Snake[D]]

Perhaps we can predict the weather even 20% accurate. What still tells us that our current activity has degenerated our planet and not some long term weather pattern?