Global Warming

[mbc85]

Btw soothsayer did you noiced they changed the global "warming" to climate change? Which is what happens in the world, climate changes. And now we gonna get taxed for the weather...

[Century 25]

Quote by: soothsayer GLOBAL WARMING IS ABOUT CARBON TRADING TAXATION ! ! ! !

Yearly averages of global temperatures have steadily increased since the industrial revolution, mid-1700's to mid-1800's in England, addition of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere from industrial processes and the internal combustion engine. Carbon dioxide is abundant in volcanic gases, but not enough to significantly contribute to the greenhouse effect. Volcanoes contribute about 110 million tons of carbon dioxide per year while man's activities contribute about 10 billion tons per year.

(excerpted from link below)

In other words.. volcanoes emit 1.1% of the CO2 into our fragile little shell of an atmosphere.. and humans.. 98.9%. Simple deduction.. eh Sherlock..? Why yes, Doctor Watson.. indeed.. my heartfelt thank you..!! Sherlock.. may I ask how you discovered the concept of this.. global warming.. is that the correct term..? "Elementary, my dear Watson.. and yes, it is indeed global warming..! And Watson, you may wish to research further at:The Discovery of Global Warming - A History

As Watson left 221b Baker Street.. he was heard mumbling.. 'Bloody hell..!! That Sherlock is brilliant...!!!

[soothsayer]

Meteoroligist John Colman with 55 years experience debunks Global Warming.

"I've said this since Mt. St. Helens blew it's cork in 1980 and spewed more carbon into tha atmosphere in a few hours than all of the internal combustion engines ever made. Same with Pinatubo.

The fact is warming and cooling trends are linked to solar activity and always have been. We cannot control the furnace....the furnace controls us.

The earth is absolutely capable of dealing with all the carbon and a whole lot more without effecting the weather."

[Uncle Rhynchus]

Yeah! Screw you and your data Century! Some local weatherman says it ain't so....so it ain't!!

[Uncle Rhynchus]

Quote by: soothsayer The fact is warming and cooling trends are linked to solar activity and always have been. We cannot control the furnace....the furnace controls us.

See, this is what makes posting to you absolutely pointless Sooth. Just a few days ago, folks posted the solar output data for you and showed you that even though there is no upward trend in solar output, global temperatures are on a increasing trend.

So what do you do? Ignore it, wait a bit, and then make the same completely false argument all over again, as if you were completely oblivious to the data that was just presented. IOW, you're either extremely dim, or a blatant liar. Take your pick I guess, but either option leads to the same point: You're not worth bothering with.

[Lamna nasus]

Quote by: mbc85 Btw soothsayer did you noiced they changed the global "warming" to climate change?...

.. not that ridiculous denialist jihadi canard again!.. -

Luntz advises that, “’Climate change’ is less frightening than ’global warming.’ ... While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge” (p. 142). And, despite years of intensive study by and near-universal scientific agreement that global warming is happening and that human beings are at least contributing to it, Luntz urges his readers to assert that the country needs more accurate, “up-to-date” information before deciding to take action. By coaching his clients and allies to portray the scientific community as divided on the issue when it is not, they can block action on the problem while appearing well intentioned.

Luntz Memo on the Environment | Environmental Working Group
(my emphasis)


.. so that would be Fred Luntz.. advisor to the Republican, Climate Skeptic, Bush administration back in 1995 recommending using the term 'Climate change' instead of 'Global Warming for politically expedient purposes...

[soothsayer]

Yeah! Screw you and your data Century! Some local weatherman says it ain't so....so it ain't!!

Um, she is citing Spencer Weart's data from his blog.

Born in Detroit, Michigan in 1942, Spencer Weart received a B.A. in Physics at Cornell University in 1963 and a Ph.D. in Physics and Astrophysics at the University of Colorado, Boulder, in 1968. In 1971 Dr. Weart changed his field, enrolling as a graduate student in the History Department of the University of California, Berkeley. His avocations include reading Victorian novels and science fiction !. HE'S WRITTEN SOME SCIENCE FICTION BOOKS, TOO. ON GLOBAL WARMING ! LOL !

Weart is a physicist, and his credentials are inferior to not only Colman, cited above, but also inferior to Timothy Ball, Lawrence Solomon, and Freeman Dyson's, whose credentials our resident fanatical Warmist, Sonart, dismissed thusly in this post:
Global Warming

Wow... A scientist said that, eh? And an 85 yr-old "theoretical physicist and mathematician, famous for his work in quantum field theory, solid-state physics, and nuclear engineering" at that.

So much for Weart's "data", and his credibility (according to Sonart).


references:

Global Warming, climate change facts, articles

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/ma...on-t.html?_r=1

Lawrence Solomon spars with Anna Maria Tremonti - FP Comment

[soothsayer]

An important review by the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change shoots down the IPCC claim that the 20th century was the warmest in 1000 years.
It spells the end of the "hockey-stick" temperature curve that has been used, falsely, to supply evidence for anthropogenic climate warming.

NEW ON THE SEPP WEB

[Lamna nasus]

Quote by: soothsayer An important review by the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change shoots down the IPCC claim that the 20th century was the warmest in 1000 years.

I doubt it, the the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change is an ExxonMobil sponsored, neoconservative political lobby organisation.. and its employment policy appears to focus rather heavily on having the surname Idso.... The CSCDGC has also been closely associated with the The Greening Earth Society, a front group of the Western Fuels Association.

[Lamna nasus]

Quote by: soothsayer Weart is a physicist, and his credentials are inferior to not only Colman, cited above, but also inferior to Timothy Ball, Lawrence Solomon, and Freeman Dyson's

That's merely your subjective opinion..

Timothy Ball appeared in the discredited, deniaist jihadi Propagandamentary 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' where he was attributed as a professor in the Department of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg..

..except the University of Winnipeg never had a Department of Climatology and Ball retired more than a decade before the deeply flawed program was made....

Lawrence Solomon is a journalist.

John Coleman is a journalist and TV weather presenter.


.. so much for Ball, Solomon and Coleman's 'superior' credentials...


Freeman Dyson is a long-time member of the JASON defense advisory group.. and it was a JASON report which originally accelerated scientific study of significant anthropogenic forcings to climate change

One of the main causes of warming is the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere resulting from our burning of fossil fuels such as oil and coal and natural gas. - Freeman Dyson

[mbc85]

"I doubt it, the the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change is an ExxonMobil sponsored, neoconservative political lobby organisation.. and its employment policy appears to focus rather heavily on having the surname Idso.... The CSCDGC has also been closely associated with the The Greening Earth Society, a front group of the Western Fuels Association."

How can you say "I doubt it" without any real support to your "I doubt it"?

And is that freeman dyson the same one that wrote "all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am opposing the holy brotherhood of climate model experts and the crowd of deluded citizens who believe the numbers predicted by the computer models." Or am I mistaken?

[Uncle Rhynchus]

So I trust that you guys (mbc and Sooth) fully supported and unquestionably accepted all the science that came from the tobacco companies a couple of decades ago, right?

[soothsayer]

So I trust that you guys (mbc and Sooth) fully supported and unquestionably accepted all the science that came from the tobacco companies a couple of decades ago, right?

I dont smoke, never did, (beyond a silly week or two of puking in the treehouse when it seemed "cool" in the fifth grade).

What I do reject, though, is the government regulating and taxing tobacco, and spending all kinds of money on PSA's

[Uncle Rhynchus]

Quote by: soothsayer I dont smoke, never did, (beyond a silly week or two of puking in the treehouse when it seemed "cool" in the fifth grade). What I do reject, though, is the government regulating and taxing tobacco, and spending all kinds of money on PSA's

Irrelevant to the question at hand. Did you accept the science that came from the tobacco companies? Or maybe a better way to approach this is to ask you why you never smoked? After all, the tobacco companies' scientists published reports that said it wasn't very dangerous or addictive.

[soothsayer]

Anyone with any common sense realizes that to inhale smoke is dangerous, I didnt need anyone to tell me so. The first time any child sits around a campfire he knows this.
The Mormons denounced smoking since their inception, long before any "science".
I can make my own choices regarding my health, and prefer input from independent sources.


the FDA is totally corrupt, and so is NHTSA and so is OSHA, besides being horribly inefficeint even if they weren't.

Did you accept the science that came from the tobacco companies?

Of course not. Tobacco companies have a vested interest in promoting certain beliefs... so does government.

The beauty of the constitution, were it to be followed, was that it promotes other independent channels, free of the corrupting nature of force and the ability to print money, for society to shape itself naturally.

Governmetn is the most powerful monopoly.

[Lamna nasus]

Quote by: mbc85 "I doubt it, the the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change is an ExxonMobil sponsored, neoconservative political lobby organisation.. and its employment policy appears to focus rather heavily on having the surname Idso.... The CSCDGC has also been closely associated with the The Greening Earth Society, a front group of the Western Fuels Association." How can you say "I doubt it" without any real support to your "I doubt it"? And is that freeman dyson the same one that wrote "all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am opposing the holy brotherhood of climate model experts and the crowd of deluded citizens who believe the numbers predicted by the computer models." Or am I mistaken?

.. because the opinion piece from the CSCDGC that Sooth referenced was almost eight years old, not new material as inferred.. and the denialist jihadi obsession with the Middle Ages was thoroughly debunked years ago.

Claims that global average temperatures during Medieval times were warmer than present-day are based on a number of false premises that a) confuse past evidence of drought/precipitation with temperature evidence b) fail to disinguish regional from global-scale temperature variations c) use the entire “20th century” to describe “modern” conditions d) fail to differentiate between relatively cool early 20th century conditions and the anomalously warm late 20th century conditions.

RealClimate: Weren’t temperatures warmer than today during the “Medieval Warm Period”?


So the only point of interest was the fact that Sooth was attempting to suggest a corporate funded, neoconservative political propaganda source has greater merit than reputable, peer reviewed science.. which it does not.


Freeman Dyson is one of the JASONs who supported Reaganomics for political reasons.. the problem for denialist jihadis using him as a reference is that he is quite certain that anthropogenic forcings have a significant effect on climate and that CO2 is one of the gases responsible..

One of the main causes of warming is the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere resulting from our burning of fossil fuels such as oil and coal and natural gas. - Freeman Dyson

..all of which is in direct contradiction of denialist jihadi dogma..

The only meeting point denialists have with Dyson is he would rather spend money on other problems.. and he hopes that technology will dig us out of the hole.. in other words he does not accept the science is completely wrong and its all a natural fluctuation.

measurements that transformed global warming from a vague theoretical speculation into a precise observational science. - Freeman Dyson

.. so yes, you are mistaken in thinking that Dyson is a denialist.

[soothsayer]

There is no consensus on the effects of burning fossil fuels, but there should be clear understanding of the real intentions of teh current global economic proposals surrounding the dubious claims

[Uncle Rhynchus]

Quote by: soothsayer Of course not. Tobacco companies have a vested interest in promoting certain beliefs... so does government.

And do the fossil fuel industries have a "vested interest" in the global warming issue?

[RickSp]

I suspect that there may be no global warming in the universe that sooth inhabits, wherever that may be.

[soothsayer]

And do the fossil fuel industries have a "vested interest" in the global warming issue?

They sure do, by promoting the farce !

Not only do they get to inflate costs to the consumer as they brainwash them into using less of their precious commidity, making it last longer, they also get to rake-in money from taxation of the consumers directly, as well as indirectly from competing businesses needing to raise their charges in order to buy "carbon credits"

The whole global warming scam has been engineered by the energy companies in collusion with global governments.

Dont you get it? Two-bit politicians are mere pawns, they are just the conduit through which "big oil" for example gets to put the screws to the consumer. Its all a farce they orchestrated together:

United States Climate Action Partnership