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| Absolutely Superb Posts: 774 | Evolution Major Vanishes From Approved Federal List Quote:
With this latest move, who knows what the anti-evolutionists will try to do next? Any guesses? How about general opinions or comments? (Article link: ) Evolution Major Vanishes From Approved Federal List - New York Times Edit: My God I screwed up the title. Can some moderator out there fix it? | |
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![]() Intriguied Observer Location: Alberta Posts: 135 | I agree. Clerical mistakes happen, but if they are not fixed then you know it is something/someone within the system that has changed it because they don't agree with it. Maybe some Bureaucratic interference? |
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| Foreboding Location: USA Posts: 33 | If it was changed, there should be a reason given. If there is no reason given, it should go back. If there is a reason given, we should be able to find out who ordered the change. And then make them put it back. I personally like it when scientists can be scientists and not be played upon by bureaucrats. |
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| Absolutely Superb Posts: 774 | It's been changed back and an apology has been given. Just find the federal aid website and go to the PDF of their catolog of majors and find something like "Ecoogy and Evolutionary Studies, Other". Thank God this didn't take long to fix. |
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![]() Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,549 | There is no such thing as Evolutionism. There is no more "ism" about it than Gravity or the theory of germs. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before |
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![]() Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,549 | Sorry, but I'm just trying to discourage people from using said word. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before |
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![]() Homo sapiens Posts: 1,980 | There is such a word as evolutionism, but it does not refer to the modern theories of evolution. It doesn't even refer to Darwin's original theories, i.e., Darwinism. Evolutionism is an historical concept and carries the concept of progress and intrinsic improvement through time. In fact, during Victorian times, when Darwin lived, the word evolution had such a connotation, even to the extent that it carried meaning in social contexts (as per Spencer). That is why Darwin objected to the use of the word as applied to his theories. The only use of any form of the word by Darwin was in the last paragraph of Origin, in the famous "There is grandeur in this view of life,...". For the above reasons, use of the word evolutionism does not refer to the modern theories of biological evolution. If there were such a class, the proper department would not be science but philosophy. On the other hand, Darwinism refers to the theories developed by Darwin, and neo-Darwinism the synthesis of genetics and Darwinism. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;... --From Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli passed unanimously by the Senate 1797 |
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| Absolutely Superb Posts: 774 | Except "Darwinism" is not a good word in my opinion, because it connotates that the entirety of the field lies upon the ideas of a single man, Darwin , and gives it a religious connotation it does not have. Heck, that's why you see creationists use it so much, because they know each time they repeat the word the further they have implied/drilled into their reader's head that the theory of evolution is somehow religious in nature, with an unchanging dogma and a figure of worship(Darwin, duh); that way, they also have someone to attack and can bust out the whole "Darwin is racist, so evolution is racist" argument. Sounds ridiculous I know, but I've read creationists use the word to connotate these things both on debates in the talkorigins newsgroup and the many Christian forums I sometimes post in at to offer an alternative viewpoint that is surprisingly unrepresented. The great thing about languages is that old, unused words can often be comandeered by people and made to mean entirely new things that the word already described fairly well. "Evolution" is a good example of such a word and connotates many of the aspects of the theories and ideas that surroud the ideas of natural selection. It would be difficult to undo the connotation that is attached to the word at this point anyways, so there really is little going back on the use of the word to describe the theory. |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | I don't think anything should be getting Federal Aid. That is what private business is for. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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![]() Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,549 | Why would private business fund the study of Evolutionary biology? Should all research be done because of profit potentials? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Why do you think Pooey? How much profit stands to be made from finding the cause of gene related diseases and defects? Yes, all research has ALWAYS been done for profit potential, just the people collecting state and fed money lie about their reasons, and invest in who uses their ideas for profit. What research can you name that has NO profit potential? Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Liberated thinker Location: New Mexican Alps Posts: 1,985 | Quote:
IMNSHO the whole issue introduced on this thread is a "tempest in a Teapot"! Sure an Evolutioniary Biology should still be on the list. What amuses me is how even though the person in charge of the grant program says it was a clerical error.. Quote:
Is not that a bit over the top? If the boss says it should be on the list then no one will be damaged, will they? Is that a reason for the ACLU to insert its nose into the thing? What absolute nonsense this is...whose civil rights have been violated? Thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us. | ||
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,012 | Thanks largely to the internet, stories like this one, which previously might have slipped through the cracks, gets widespread attention. In the wake of the fundamentalist's efforts to get ID introduced into science classes, this issue raised suspicions of another attempt to undermine education in the name of religion. A reasonable explanation was given for the omission and the situation was corrected. What we don't, and may never, know; a) was the omission indeed intentional, and would have stayed that way had not attention been called to it? b) was it simply a clerical error and all the hubub was over nothing? c) if intentional, was the religious right behind it? People may have over-reacted and assumed something that wasn't true. But by giving the situation exposure, at least we all were aware of what was transpiring. All information can be valuable, even misinformation. It gives us a starting point from which to determine reality. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant) |
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| BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217 | Amazing how a news update can be turned into an issue about Federal Aid, thanks to a person's need to convert topics to their own agenda. Federal Aid is hardly free, by the way. It's usually in the form of loans. They simply make it possible to attend college first and pay later, instead of worrying about paying up front. You know... good for those people that come from low income backgrounds that have more potential than their peers. It's amazing to see how radical opinions are when they come from single people who have yet to experience the kind of life-shaping events that alter perceptions. |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Quote:
Wow, one doth think that inferrence was made toward me? What type of aid is it? Federal. Yea, some derail I made there...... Drop the grudge. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready | |
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| Liberated thinker Location: New Mexican Alps Posts: 1,985 | Quote:
Thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us. | |
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