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**Pooeypants** · Nov 9, 2003, 01:37 pm

Ah, so if someone else says that they're willing to sacrifice balls of cells for the better of mankind...you'd respect that but when I say it ofc it's like blasphemy. Oh well, more straws.

G. Adams · Nov 9, 2003, 02:40 pm

I think it was that I accept that it is a sacrifice of life, rather than dodging that point. And it is a life. Trees are alive and I don't mind them being cut down when neccesary, same with the unborn. There are some things that have to be done, even if they are unpleasent.

tnphydeaux · Nov 9, 2003, 06:12 pm

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
I think it was that I accept that it is a sacrifice of life, rather than dodging that point. And it is a life. ... There are some things that have to be done, even if they are unpleasent.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

I'm concerned, very concerned, that as we go down the path of cloning embryonic and eventually fetal clones of patients to be treated, we have ceded the cannibalization of fellow humans is but a decision of degree of utilitarian use (a path which may in fact not even be necessary, since it is adult stem cell manipulation that appears to hold greatest immediate promise ... and once we learn the mechanisms of stem cell cascade from totipotent to pluripotent to multipotent, the rest is mere technology, without killing an embryonic individual human being). Could we perhaps discuss that?

G. Adams · Nov 9, 2003, 09:35 pm

Ah well that is slightly different. I would prefer to not to do research upon feotus', any lives saved is obviously a good thing. But I would not be prepared to stop such testing as it is an area of science that could do a lot of good.

tnphydeaux · Nov 11, 2003, 05:33 pm

"I would prefer to not to do research upon feotus' ..." G. Adams, the scientists doing ESCR experiments presently, are working on artificial uteruses into which to place the in vitro fetilization conceived embryos and raise them to a tissue differentiation age that reaches into the fetal stage of gestation. Why?... Because the lab will control the feticide for harvesting purposes. Unless laws are writtent to prosecute such efforts, to stop this direction (and perhaps unnecessary research with adult stem cell and organ growing efforts gaining cures every month), this is the cannibalization future of ESCR and cloning.

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Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,549	Ah, so if someone else says that they're willing to sacrifice balls of cells for the better of mankind...you'd respect that but when I say it ofc it's like blasphemy. Oh well, more straws. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

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G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	I think it was that I accept that it is a sacrifice of life, rather than dodging that point. And it is a life. Trees are alive and I don't mind them being cut down when neccesary, same with the unborn. There are some things that have to be done, even if they are unpleasent. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Nov 9, 2003, 09:35 pm	#104 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Ah well that is slightly different. I would prefer to not to do research upon feotus', any lives saved is obviously a good thing. But I would not be prepared to stop such testing as it is an area of science that could do a lot of good. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

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tnphydeaux Molten Ash Posts: 63	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) I think it was that I accept that it is a sacrifice of life, rather than dodging that point. And it is a life. ... There are some things that have to be done, even if they are unpleasent.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I'm concerned, very concerned, that as we go down the path of cloning embryonic and eventually fetal clones of patients to be treated, we have ceded the cannibalization of fellow humans is but a decision of degree of utilitarian use (a path which may in fact not even be necessary, since it is adult stem cell manipulation that appears to hold greatest immediate promise ... and once we learn the mechanisms of stem cell cascade from totipotent to pluripotent to multipotent, the rest is mere technology, without killing an embryonic individual human being). Could we perhaps discuss that?

Nov 11, 2003, 05:33 pm	#105 (permalink) (top)
tnphydeaux Molten Ash Posts: 63	"I would prefer to not to do research upon feotus' ..." G. Adams, the scientists doing ESCR experiments presently, are working on artificial uteruses into which to place the in vitro fetilization conceived embryos and raise them to a tissue differentiation age that reaches into the fetal stage of gestation. Why?... Because the lab will control the feticide for harvesting purposes. Unless laws are writtent to prosecute such efforts, to stop this direction (and perhaps unnecessary research with adult stem cell and organ growing efforts gaining cures every month), this is the cannibalization future of ESCR and cloning.