A practical electric car, and the end of Islamic terrorism

[Fonceai]

Electric cars are intended as commuter vehicles, not vacation vehicles.

Even the high fuel efficiency SMART cars, European specs, have a max speed of 60 mph. They aren't meant for long hauls.

European countries use trains to travel longer distances. Americans, however, insist on the ability to drive across the country. These cars will not satisfy Americans.

[The Second Law]

Quote by: Autolykos What would be really nice is if, somehow, charging circuitry could be embedded in roads, so when electric cars travel over them, their batteries are recharged. That would also mean the cars would have to have some kind of device to draw power from that embedded circuitry.

You mean like the alternator that exists in almost every car today? =)

Of course, they might not be able to recharge lithium ion batteries; I just found the comment humorous.

--Second

[gallo]

Quote by: The Second Law You mean like the alternator that exists in almost every car today? =)

And I thought that the alternator in my car was being driven by the engine. Boy! Do I have a lot to learn.

Of course, they might not be able to recharge lithium ion batteries;

So the electricity in lithium ion batteries is somehow different than the electricity in lead-acid batteries? Wow! I learn something new every day. So my alternator charges my lead-acid battery by moving it over the road but it couldn't charge a lithium ion battery.

I just found the comment humorous.

Me too.

Your remarks puzzle me because of the handle you have chosen. It presumes that you know something about the 2LoT. That indicates that you are a chemist, physicist, or engineer (chemical, mechanical, nuclear - but certainly not electrical).

Understand the the idea of charging batteries by driving over road "circuitry" seems to be a free lunch idea without an investment of energy into that circuitry, your objection doesn't make sense.

[gallo]

Quote by: The Second Law This car won't be mass produced, just like every other concept car wasn't...

Really? Mustang? T-bird? Corvette? Viper? That's just a few obvious examples. Perhaps you weren't around back then.

p.s. - yes, I know that the Viper is a tweeked Mitsubishi 3000GT. But there was still a "concept car" that was public knowledge before production.

[Kuroko]

I am very interested in this car actually, I am just wondering on the companies ability to perhaps (god I'd love it) convert a vehicle to australian standards, which pretty much involves the drivers seat being changed to the other side

As for the columnitive circuitry, gallo I am in no way defending second. I am have actually considered your idea.

The premise is a good one, but the only problem with using circuitry such as that to charge the vehicle is that the distance between the vehicle and road would have to be a lot closer then one would like for a car traversing roads.

For instance, the power being used through the roads circuits would have to be able to reach through the four to six inches of road (tar, gravel, ashphelt) and then the distance to the car between it. I am familiar with the technology your refering to, a similar theory was produced with powered magnets under main roads to spin an "alternator" for I believe the G1 GM vehicle atleast on the main roads for longer distances

But you are refering to the same method of charging as my electric toothbrush
I can imagine it working perhaps through the wheels but the current generated would be dismal at best do to the constant moving of the "coils" beneath the wheels (in the road). Besides that point, there isn't much surface contact so..

But any way, this car still has a great appeal. Think of course that it may just be possible to have a "spare" battery.

[Ghumanto]

Quote by: Captain Chaos The advent of EVs means the end of using gas for your car. This will spell doom for OPEC, and thus the end of funding for terrorist organizations.

If there's no need for Mideast oil ( no need of OPEC ) - why you need Israel ?? No or less importance of oil means no or less importance of a Terrorist country ( Israel ) or a Terrorist Organization ( Al Qaeda or so ).
Israel and Al Qaeda ( or something similar ) are just the 2 sides of a coin - created to serve a certain purpose.

[Samildanach]

You need to go for solar panels really built into the bonnet doors and boot. So you can just leave it in the sun to charge.

[Osborn F Enready]

Where does the power for recharging come from? In all cases?

If we really wanted an EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE alternative, why weren't we marketing hemp fueled cars since the 40's, when they were shown they could be produced and manufactured cheaply? Why not since?

They don't want an answer, until they completely and fully bleed the currently invested market for EVERY last dollar possible.

Also, don't forget that plastics of most types, as well as many other goods, are made using oil.

I don't even know you, but bet that if you weighed and percentaged your homes bulk weight and all goods in it, more than 25% would be petroleum based, if not more, and that doesn't include what fuels its power, heat or other energy sources.

Americas dependence on oil was built, by corporations and the dependency on oil was foisted by politicians, working for corporations under the table, via lobbyists and incentives.




The people will have a concrete answer, when they wake up to the full scope of the lie that they believe is reality, in ALL nations.

[Captain Chaos]

Osborn...

Check out the Tesla Motors website. They specifically address some of your concerns.


The word "they" is too large. There are some, like Tesla Motors, who are fighting the evil "they" and, perhaps, have the tools to possibly win that fight.

[Kuroko]

I am telling every one here right now, the need for oil is void, mute. There isn't any.

Plastics can be made through many means most notably directly from vegitation (alcohol).
Fuel can be garnered through hydrogen removed from water through electrolisis.

Oil is control. I am NOT saying this without fact or truth, a nine volt battery is capable of converting five letres of water into oxygen and hydrogen and it should still have charge left in it, a solar pannel on the roof of a house would be sufficiant to seperate the two atoms to be burned in a generator for the real power for a house.
Every thing you see arround you could be powered litterally from water.. and the funny thing, the hillarious thing? not even from fresh water, salinated water would be ideal, ocean water because salination has made the water ion rich and for the simplest forms of electrolisis to occure all you need is a anode and cathode and an ion rich solution of water, be it salt, sulfiric acid etc.

Technology has been withheld some where, well before I was born, this is easy technology, simple, so simple it isn't funny, and so available it could possibly destroy the very fabric of society.

There is a literal ability to turn each and every combustion car into water powered vehicles through the means of burning the hydrogen produced through electrolisis. I know this from personal experience, governments (Australia in this case) is not interested in funding a project to create a definite converter for normal cars. It would be impossible to put a levy or tax on people using rain water for fuel.

Oils can be synthesized, water can be converted as fast and easily for almost any vehicle and there is little to no power loss as the actual burning element in petrol (gasoline) are hydro-carbonates.
If people don't need power or gas from a source because they are self sufficiant then that is one less area of control the governement has on normal civilians, no need for power, no need for gas, there isn't even a need for water if you build your house right, imagine the taxes and just pure money the governments arround the world would be losing out on.

>.<
I'm so mad about this, private sectors are also very unsure about this, governments don't want to fund our projects and the only other people we could turn to are oil companies who, are sitting on gold mines, why would they want this technology to ruin that.. besides the point they already have it --_-- 1964 an oil company bought a patent on a water powered vehicle and that was the last it was ever heard of.

I'd like to say this is a conspiracy theory but it's not, as I said personal experience.

[Fonceai]

@Kuroko

You say that the technology has been withheld. It's been withheld in America. Again (I feel like a freaking parrot) I've directly observed the differences in Europe and Asia. They think oil is too expensive so they just find ways to not need it.

Other solutions are too expensive to market to the general public.

But I agree that the different pieces are out there, someone just needs to put them together and get past the bureaucratic nonsense.

[The Second Law]

Quote by: gallo And I thought that the alternator in my car was being driven by the engine. Boy! Do I have a lot to learn.

=\ It's my understanding that the spinning wheels (yes, driven by the engine) run the alternator. I just went back and read what I had quoted and somehow missed the part about embedding circuitry in the roads. I assure you I didn't think there are circuits in the road that recharge your battery, only that I somehow didn't read that post.

Your remarks puzzle me because of the handle you have chosen. It presumes that you know something about the 2LoT. That indicates that you are a chemist, physicist, or engineer (chemical, mechanical, nuclear - but certainly not electrical).

And you'd be right. I'm a mechanical engineer who despises electricity and the production thereof. I'll readily admit that I don't know much about it, although...

Understand the the idea of charging batteries by driving over road "circuitry" seems to be a free lunch idea without an investment of energy into that circuitry, your objection doesn't make sense.

I CEARTAINLY don't believe this happens. Again, I failed to completely read what I first quoted, and I apologize for that.

@Samil: That would be fine and all if solar panels were at all efficient.

--Second

[Kuroko]

I know some things which would probobly make some people puke (government experiment wise) Knowledge is power my friends, don't ever fool yourselves into thinking money is.

The only thing more feroscious then actual combat is the medical arena behind it.

Watch this film from 1940 for a perfect idea of what I mean.
WARNING: This film shows the revival of serveral different organs, along with a dogs head and an entire dog by means of mechanical assistance of the circulative and respitory system, it sounds like science fiction but I assure you this was arround in 1937 and jointly researched by Russia and America.
http://www.filecabi.net/video/c2-14302121626.html

This was over sixty years ago, before the cold war before alot of things. I am interested in technology, science, governments are too. Now, where is russia and the US at now technology wise? I cannot say specifically, there's a lot that isn't shown. Rumors here, a supposed official document there, but one thing I do know is that Germany did not stop it's genetic manipulation labs like it was supposed to and through most of the 60's began altering DNA sequences where are they at now? scientifically speaking I don't know, what I do know is that in 2001 the Human Genome project released 15,000 more sequences almost five of them being a major sequence with the rest being alternate combinations of sequences, a short time after that Germany released 30,000 sequences (they published them through the Genome project) including the 15,000 listed in the previous report stating that the 15,000 reported prior were already known to Germany for the past six years.

I am trying desperately to find the article from which I read it, it caused a pretty big storm because the mapping of the human Genome was supposed to be a joint effort and it appeared as though Germany was off storming in it's own dirrection.

Germany is also infamous for the publics hard stance of Genetic engineering this is in relations to the Third reich attempting to create the "super race" any way. Germany's main focus for a while was on genetics. You be the judge of what you think, just remember, this video was made in 1940 and while it wasn't kept secret persey it certainly wasn't shown arround until some time later.

[The Second Law]

Quote by: Kuroko Watch this film from 1940 for a perfect idea of what I mean. WARNING: This film shows the revival of serveral different organs, along with a dogs head and an entire dog by means of mechanical assistance of the circulative and respitory system, it sounds like science fiction but I assure you this was arround in 1937 and jointly researched by Russia and America. http://www.filecabi.net/video/c2-14302121626.html

So? I saw an entire program on reanimation on the Science Channel a couple of years back.

--Second

[Kuroko]

Nice.. by chance was the program done in 1940?
This isn't about the technology this is about the time frame of the technology.
Ok ok, I realise that this may very well not seem important but when you take into context that they were interested in re-animation in 1940 and that in more then 60 years what would be simple revival techniques would undoubtably be up to a point of a kind of synthetic body. I base this on the fact that these experiments were done over a two year period prior to the movie being made (atleast the dogs were). When researching the projects they just kind of, disapear off the radar (like they all do)

[5010]

What if the battery pack was standard and could be swapped out quickly using a small forklift or something?

Come home, switch packs, go. Other pack gets charged at home. Go to service station to swap dead cells once in a while.

or...

Go to a charging station, switch packs, go. They bill you based on the difference in pack charge. Your car determines if the replacement pack is good or not before you leave the station. The station sets enough profit to recoup average dead cell replacement.

This would extend the driving range of all standard pack electric cars to wherever charging stations exist.

A popular station would have to stock up more replacement packs, of course, but they'd also make more profit. If they have enough packs, they can do the charging off peak hours. Also, they might coop for better rates.

Seems to me the packs/tools could be designed to make swapping faster than waiting for a pump to fuel a gas tank. Standard packs might include guides that allow simple robotic tools to handle them.

Now imagine this: the driver buys a car with no battery pack. This car is very cheap. He rents the pack from the dealer or maybe a separate pack renter. The rental terms transfer to any standard pack replaced at any station (which are regulated of course). This would allow consumers with less money (up front) to enter the market. Of course, insurance would be needed to protect the renter.

This system would allow someone to take a road trip for thousands of miles in one day. It's just a matter of taking a pit stop every 200 or so miles.

[Fonceai]

@5010

Great idea!

Seriously, that makes sense. Either charge your current pack at home, or go to a station, swap it for a charged one.

The only trouble will be that people will want to drive 1,000 miles with one of these cars, when the clear intent is for them to be commuter vehicles where you recharge while you sleep and you don't drive the full battery's worth in one day.

[Captain Chaos]

I agree.

With Lithium Ion batteries, which are good for about 500 cycles, you might run into problems with switching battery packs - as that could lead to getting shafted if switch for a pack that is nearer to retirement. However, that could be avoided since each pack could keep a record internally of where it stands in terms of recharge use. Thus, the amount you pay at the recharge station is partially determined by the replacement pack's lifetime.

Also, there are new types of lithium polymer batteries that get like 10,000 recharges. I don't think they are on the market yet. But when they are - that will make such a scheme very feasable.

[Autolykos]

5010,

I have but one word for your idea -- brilliant! :)

- Rob

[Fonceai]

I think the only problem with this is that the batteries would have to be located somewhere on the car that is easy to access.

But then, in a collision, I don't think I'd want someone hitting the battery.