Science in the Quran

[Ruzz]

If u are a person of logic & reason. Then answer me this question. Do u agree with the big bang theory? Do u agree with that the solar system & universe is a sophisticated system of stars & planets? Made of dust, particles, radiation and thus causes the formation of planets & stars? Just take a look our solar system for example. Like all the planets revolving around the sun due to gravitational pull in a circle. And that circular formation doesn't cause the planets to all collide with one another. Its in a perfect circular motion as it revolves around the sun. Amazing isn't it?

Now lets look at Earth. With such precise location, it is able to support life. If it were to be too close to the sun like venus, it'll be too hot to support life. And if it were to be too far, it'll be too cold to support life. And plus u have to take into consideration the atmosphere level has to be precisely accurate and possible to support oxygen and water. Amazing isn't it?

Take a look at yourself. A human being. From a tiny drop of semen you once entered into the egg of your mother's womb. And from there you turned into a leech like figure clinging onto the wall of your mother's womb as she provides you nutrions. Then you turned into a foetus and grow into a baby. And thus a new life is born. Your heart beats constantly to provide oxygen to your body without the need of you actually controlling its beats. Your brain sends chemicals & signals as your body as you think of logic & reason as you debate with me about religion and life. And that very chemicals & signals in your brain is sending it throughout your body without you actually controlling where you send the signal.

Do you know where I got this scientific information? From the Quran.

Big Bang Theory
" Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? " [Quran 21:30]

The Planets Revolving Around the Sun
" And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating. " [Quran 21:33]

7 Layers of Atmosphere on planet Earth
" It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. " [Quran 2:29]

Creation of Man
And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth). Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge) (and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman). Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators. [Quran 23:12-14]

I am a Man of logic and reason too. I believe in Scientific facts & evidence. So tell me then how did a Illiterate Man living in the middle of the Desert Know so much about the universe & creation of Man 1400years ago?

My only question to you my friend. Don't you think there is a higher purpose or being that could have caused all of this scientific miracles to happen? Surely this is not all done out of pure luck & chance. The odds are too much to see all this happen out of the blue. Which every creation there is a creator. With every Design there is a designer.

Who Designed the Universe full of its science & beauty then my friend? :)

[Charlatan]

This is v ery informative. There is some notion, though, of greeks also knowing this as they observed the planets, and that might have been around the same time as the koran was written, yes? Just saying.

Of course, if the koran was written before the greeks and such were out there looking, then there is no denying.

[Fox10078]

This is v ery informative. There is some notion, though, of greeks also knowing this as they observed the planets, and that might have been around the same time as the koran was written, yes? Just saying.

Of course, if the koran was written before the greeks and such were out there looking, then there is no denying.

Actually the Quran was post Roman. Est around 600 CE, so almost a thousand years after the Greek Golden Age

[Ruzz]

any proud atheists care to disprove my argument?

[Angry Citizen]

If u are a person of logic & reason. Then answer me this question. Do u agree with the big bang theory? Do u agree with that the solar system & universe is a sophisticated system of stars & planets? Made of dust, particles, radiation and thus causes the formation of planets & stars? Just take a look our solar system for example. Like all the planets revolving around the sun due to gravitational pull in a circle. And that circular formation doesn't cause the planets to all collide with one another. Its in a perfect circular motion as it revolves around the sun. Amazing isn't it?

It's not. Earth's orbit is actually fairly eccentric. If it were significantly more eccentric, it's unlikely complex life would've evolved, and so we would not be sitting here marveling at it. No one said life had to appear on Earth. It just did.

Now lets look at Earth. With such precise location, it is able to support life. If it were to be too close to the sun like venus, it'll be too hot to support life. And if it were to be too far, it'll be too cold to support life. And plus u have to take into consideration the atmosphere level has to be precisely accurate and possible to support oxygen and water. Amazing isn't it?

Again, if it were any other way, we wouldn't be discussing it.

The Quran did not predict any of the scientific marvels. It possesses the same after-the-fact validity that Nostradamus' prophecies carried. We learned all this not from reading the Quran, but by investigating through scientific means. The entirety of your argument is akin to a puddle of water saying "my, what a nice hole that conforms exactly to my shape and specifications!" The hole wasn't built for water. The water conformed to the hole. And so it was with humans and the Earth. We evolved to fit the Earth. If we evolved elsewhere, we would have evolved differently.

[Jack]

Big Bang Theory
" Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? " [Quran 21:30]

Nice poetic image but not informative at all scientifically. "We separated them..." doesn't inform us at all of the methods employed. Science is our attempt to explain nature. All this passage does is claim credit for something it doesn't bother to explain in detail.

The Planets Revolving Around the Sun
" And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating. " [Quran 21:33]

I'm not sure how anyone could infer "Planets Revolving Around the Sun" from "in an orbit floating". Again, poetry, not science. It doesn't explain what sort of orbit it's talking about nor does it explain what the Earth and Sun are floating in or on.

7 Layers of Atmosphere on planet Earth
" It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. " [Quran 2:29]

Modern science has identified five distinct layers of the atmosphere, not seven. No one should get their scientific information from a religious text.

Creation of Man
And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth). Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge) (and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman). Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators. [Quran 23:12-14]

And again, all poetry, not a scientific explanation of embryonic development.

I am a Man of logic and reason too. I believe in Scientific facts & evidence.

Then why not listen to natural science for an explanation of nature? Science follows the evidence where ever it may lead. Religion presumes a conclusion and looks only for explanations that support its conclusion. That's not a scientific approach.

Don't you think there is a higher purpose or being that could have caused all of this scientific miracles to happen?

Nope. They aren't miracles as the religious use that word, and so far we've found no evidence supporting the notion of a higher purpose or being.

[grandpa]

Nice poetic image but not informative at all scientifically.
"We separated them..."

Exactly. A lot of questions emerge. Example: If the "heavens" and the earth were a "joined entity", how did a God separate them so they wouldn't BOTH die (so to speak) rather than becoming separate entities?

Grandpa h.

[SoylentGreen]

any proud atheists care to disprove my argument?

What is there to disprove. All this does is show that if you put enough vague statements together any meaning can be made from them.

It is not at all unusual for the various cultures around the world to have something in their own particular creation myths that come close to resembling facts.

If you want me to spend my time disproving the Koran, in return then you can attempt to disprove the Maori creation myth. And if you cannot then mine must be the true creation and yours the lie.

The Koran states that it was god who separated the heavens and earth. Wrong, in fact it was the children of the gods who caused the separation.
Maori Creation Myth

Rangi and Papa are the primordial parents, the sky father and the earth mother, who lie locked together in a tight embrace. They have many children, all of which are male, who are forced to live in the cramped darkness between them.

After many attempts, Tane, god of forests and birds, forces his parents apart. Stretching every sinew, Tane pushes and pushes until with cries of grief and surprise, Ranginui and Papatuanuku are prised apart.

Your Koran states that god created man first, again wrong. It was woman who was created first.
The Creation of Man | NZETC

the sons of Rangi debated as to how the ira tangata (human life) could be produced in distinction to the ira atua (supernatural life). They decided that as they were all males, a search should be made through nature for the female element (uha) from which man could be produced.

Any proud islamist care to disprove my creation myth?

[Dan74]

Not sure what I can add that others haven't already, but I'll take a shot anyway.

This planet isn't perfectly suited to human life at all. We still have devastating natural disasters on the planet itself, plus external dangers. If God designed this planet to be perfectly suited to his people, then it would be. After all, he is an all-powerful being, right?

I think that the natural processes that led to life on Earth are amazing, but trying to attribute them to an imaginary being takes away the significance.

[Peter]

If u are a person of logic & reason. Then answer me this question. Do u agree with the big bang theory? Do u agree with that the solar system & universe is a sophisticated system of stars & planets? Made of dust, particles, radiation and thus causes the formation of planets & stars? Just take a look our solar system for example. Like all the planets revolving around the sun due to gravitational pull in a circle. And that circular formation doesn't cause the planets to all collide with one another. Its in a perfect circular motion as it revolves around the sun. Amazing isn't it?

Now lets look at Earth. With such precise location, it is able to support life. If it were to be too close to the sun like venus, it'll be too hot to support life. And if it were to be too far, it'll be too cold to support life. And plus u have to take into consideration the atmosphere level has to be precisely accurate and possible to support oxygen and water. Amazing isn't it?

Take a look at yourself. A human being. From a tiny drop of semen you once entered into the egg of your mother's womb. And from there you turned into a leech like figure clinging onto the wall of your mother's womb as she provides you nutrions. Then you turned into a foetus and grow into a baby. And thus a new life is born. Your heart beats constantly to provide oxygen to your body without the need of you actually controlling its beats. Your brain sends chemicals & signals as your body as you think of logic & reason as you debate with me about religion and life. And that very chemicals & signals in your brain is sending it throughout your body without you actually controlling where you send the signal.

Do you know where I got this scientific information? From the Quran.

Big Bang Theory
" Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? " [Quran 21:30]

The Planets Revolving Around the Sun
" And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating. " [Quran 21:33]

7 Layers of Atmosphere on planet Earth
" It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. " [Quran 2:29]

Creation of Man
And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth). Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge) (and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman). Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators. [Quran 23:12-14]

I am a Man of logic and reason too. I believe in Scientific facts & evidence. So tell me then how did a Illiterate Man living in the middle of the Desert Know so much about the universe & creation of Man 1400years ago?

My only question to you my friend. Don't you think there is a higher purpose or being that could have caused all of this scientific miracles to happen? Surely this is not all done out of pure luck & chance. The odds are too much to see all this happen out of the blue. Which every creation there is a creator. With every Design there is a designer.

Who Designed the Universe full of its science & beauty then my friend? :)

Translation - I'm too ignorant and lazy to try and understand these particular things so I'll just take the easy way out and assert that an imaginary god did it all. Wonderful, keep up the delusion my friend because it's much easier than doing the hard work of science to understand these questions and you have lots of company.

[gallo]

If u [sic] are a person of logic & reason.[,] T[t]hen answer me this question. Do u [sic] agree with the big bang theory?

How could anyone, since the big bang theory is not something that one can agree with. One can accept it as the best explanation for the origin of the universe that science has been able to state to this date. But it isn't a matter of agreeing. Certainly, it is a better explanation than that offered by books of mythology.

Do u [sic] agree with [sic] that the solar system & universe is a sophisticated system of stars & planets?

Absolutely not. There is only one star in the solar system. That is the sun itself. Further, there is a lot more than just planets in the solar system

Made of dust, particles, radiation and thus causes the formation of planets & stars?

Did you think that you had actually formed a meaningful sentence when you typed that bit of gibberish? How, exactly, did dust, particles, and radiation cause the formation of the planets and stars - only one star being in the solar system - the sun.

Just take a look our solar system for example.

But I thought that was what we were talking about in the first place. Why posit it as an example for a second time?

Like all the planets revolving around the sun due to gravitational pull in a circle.

Don't be silly. None of the planets orbits the sun in a circle.

And that circular formation doesn't cause the planets to all collide with one another.

Are you serious? How would the circular orbiting of planets around the sun, if it were circular in the first place, cause them to collide? Did you think any of this out before you posted it?

Its in a perfect circular motion as it revolves around the sun. Amazing isn't it?

It would be amazing if even one of the planets actually orbited the sun in a "prefect circular motion." In fact, none of the planets orbits in a circle. It would be nice if you actually made an effort to educate yourself before speaking. Mythology doesn't make the grade.

Now lets [sic] look at Earth.

Oh! Let's! It just give me shivers in anticipation.

With such precise location, it is able to support life. If it were to be too close to the sun like venus [sic], it'll be too hot to support life. And if it were to be too far, it'll be too cold to support life.

That's true. But that doesn't mean that earth was designed for life and mankind. It means that a planet formed around a rather average star at the right distance to allow for the formation of life. No miracle involved.

And plus u [sic] have to take into consideration the atmosphere level has to be precisely accurate and possible to support oxygen and water. Amazing isn't it?

Not really. There wasn't any free oxygen in the atmosphere for more than 3.8 billion years. It was only after life that took in CO2 and put out O2 as waste developed that there was any oxygen in the atmosphere. And even then, the atmospheric oxygen was mostly sucked up by the oxidation of the free iron in the crust. This period in the history of the earth lasted from about 2.4 billion years ago until about 1.8 billion years ago. The deposits formed during this period are known as the banded iron formations and and are the source of the iron ore that is being mined today in the form of iron oxide.

Take a look at yourself.

I have. And I'm a handsome figure, having recently lost 30 lbs through diet and an exercise program.

A human being. From a tiny drop of semen you once entered into the egg of your mother's womb. And from there you turned into a leech like figure clinging onto the wall of your mother's womb as she provides you nutrions.

What are nutrions? Not to be too technical, but..."I" was never a drop of semen that entered an egg. "I" didn't exist by any definition until a single sperm from my father entered an egg from my mother and successfully implanted in the wall of my mother's uterus.

Then you turned into a foetus and grow into a baby.

I didn't turn into anything. A zygote (a fertilized egg) grows into an embryo which grows into a foetus.

And thus a new life is born.

Not exactly. After gestation a baby is born. It isn't actually a baby until it is is born. Zygotes, embryos, and foetuses are, of course, all alive.

Your heart beats constantly to provide oxygen to your body without the need of you actually controlling its beats.

What crap. The heart circulates blood. The blood binds oxygen in the lungs and carries it to the body. The blood then picks up CO2 and carries it back to the lungs to be exhausted.

Your brain sends chemicals & signals as your body as you think of logic & reason as you debate with me about religion and life.

Not so much in either case. The brain doesn't send chemicals. The brain sends electrical impulses through the nervous system that cause the production of various chemicals that are introduced into the circulatory system. More importantly, I'm not debating with you about religion and life. I am explaining reality to you, and why your mythology is nonsense.

And that very chemicals & signals in your brain is sending it throughout your body without you actually controlling where you send the signal.

What?

Do you know where I got this scientific information? From the Quran.

The Quran is not a book of science. The Quran doesn't contain any science. The Quran is a book of mythology and superstition that is used to delude the ignorant. It is on a par with the Bible.

Big Bang Theory
" Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? " [Quran 21:30]

What does that have to do with the big bang theory?

The Planets Revolving Around the Sun
" And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating. " [Quran 21:33]

What does that have to do with the planets orbiting the sun?

7 Layers of Atmosphere on planet Earth
" It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. " [Quran 2:29]

What 7 layers? Modern science only recognises 5 principle layers - Exosphere. Thermosphere, Mesosphere, Stratosphere, and Troposphere. Please tell us how the Quran defines the 7 layers of the atmosphere.

Creation of Man
And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth). Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge) (and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman). Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators. [Quran 23:12-14]

What does that have to do with reality? That nonsense doesn't even ring of poetry. Just superstitious nonsense.

I am a Man of logic and reason too.

That is not evident from the superstitious nonsense that you have posted, so I doubt that you are in the least bit motivated by logic and reason. It seems more that you are motivated by superstition and mythology, and accept them as reality.

I believe in Scientific facts & evidence.

No you don't. You believe in mythology and superstition. No one who understands science "believes" in science. The idea is ignorant.

So tell me then how did a Illiterate Man living in the middle of the Desert Know so much about the universe & creation of Man 1400years ago?

The answer is simple. He made it up. The scientific evidence indicates that the roots of mankind arose more than 3 million years ago, and modern humans arose about 40,000 years ago. So your illiterate man in the desert invented mythology.

My only question to you my friend. Don't you think there is a higher purpose or being that could have caused all of this scientific miracles to happen?

There is no evidence that what you ask is true. Thus far, it has been shown to be nothing more than superstition and mythology. There would have to be some sort of evidence presented in order to even accept your assertion as an hypothesis.

Surely this is not all done out of pure luck & chance.

Absolutely not. Physics, chemistry, and evolutionary biology are not about luck and chance.

The odds are too much to see all this happen out of the blue.

What odds? Why are you changing the subject? What does this have to do with odds?

Which every creation there is a creator. With every Design there is a designer.

But I suspect it isn't the mythology and superstition that you assume it to be.

Who Designed the Universe full of its science & beauty then my friend? :)

I'm not your friend and you haven't given any reason why we should believe that the universe was designed.

[gallo]

As a further question, Ruzz:

If you actually think that the Quran has anything to do with science, why didn't you post this thread in the Science & Technology forum rather than the Religion & Spirituality forum. Could it be that you actually understand that the Quran does not address issues of science? Could it be that you actually know that the Quran is mythology and superstition, just like the Bible?

Your choice of forum is quite telling.