The final goal of Gods creation?

[Ephemeral]

Here's something I've been thinking about lately. It is assumed God is both omniscient and omnipotent. He knows past, present and future and can change anything about he to his will. Now, in its essence this means that God would know everything including the ending of its own existence and everything leading to that point and it would be comprehensible to him.

Now, if this is true, why are humans required to go through, what I'm told is, a test to see if they are worthy of heaven? God should be able to know exactly when you'd come into existence, what choices you would make, what kind of person you would become and he could grand you entrance based on that knowledge. I figured Earth might be a learning experience for individuals but then again, there wouldn't be anything on earth that you couldn't learn in heaven. Basically, your whole stay on earth is completely redundant.

My second thought is concerning our final goal as God's creation. Regardless of whether or not our stay on the Earth is redundant, after we get into either heaven or hell, what is the big idea behind it? Theist argue that life is merely a test to gain infinite life, but what is the purpose of that infinite life? If God is an almighty creator then we are nothing but his toys, brought into existence merely as his slaves with no particular purpose but to entertain him.

[Robert]

Hello,
there are many realms which you must go through to get to this, the lowest one, from what we know as 'God'. All is within reflection, fractal, mind. Mind develops. We are that mind. The reason for us being here is to learn through suffering and death, that is, ALL of us. It could be argued that it could not happen any other way, as all things go to a lower point and all things are following a fractal print. Thus what we are, we have already been. As Dr Goswami says, 'Consciousness is the ground of being'. Everything is a developing mind, rather than someone creating something which he looks down on- though there is a part of that involved

[BlackSheep]

Hello,
there are many realms which you must go through to get to this, the lowest one, from what we know as 'God'. All is within reflection, fractal, mind. Mind develops. We are that mind. The reason for us being here is to learn through suffering and death, that is, ALL of us. It could be argued that it could not happen any other way, as all things go to a lower point and all things are following a fractal print. Thus what we are, we have already been. As Dr Goswami says, 'Consciousness is the ground of being'. Everything is a developing mind, rather than someone creating something which he looks down on- though there is a part of that involved

You are talking about something very different than the question asked and making very little sense at it.

[loser]

Here's something I've been thinking about lately. It is assumed God is both omniscient and omnipotent. He knows past, present and future and can change anything about he to his will. Now, in its essence this means that God would know everything including the ending of its own existence and everything leading to that point and it would be comprehensible to him.

Now, if this is true, why are humans required to go through, what I'm told is, a test to see if they are worthy of heaven? God should be able to know exactly when you'd come into existence, what choices you would make, what kind of person you would become and he could grand you entrance based on that knowledge. I figured Earth might be a learning experience for individuals but then again, there wouldn't be anything on earth that you couldn't learn in heaven. Basically, your whole stay on earth is completely redundant.

My second thought is concerning our final goal as God's creation. Regardless of whether or not our stay on the Earth is redundant, after we get into either heaven or hell, what is the big idea behind it? Theist argue that life is merely a test to gain infinite life, but what is the purpose of that infinite life? If God is an almighty creator then we are nothing but his toys, brought into existence merely as his slaves with no particular purpose but to entertain him.

You make way too many ASSUMPTIONS about God. Instead of listening to what others say of God, get to know the REAL God...He's much different than what you have been taught.

The truth is that God needs workers that He can depend on, just like any BOSS MAN. It's a very big universe and most of it is UNDEVELOPED. God wants good workers, faithful servants, not rebellious slaves.

He pays well.

[BlackSheep]

You make way too many ASSUMPTIONS about God. Instead of listening to what others say of God, get to know the REAL God...He's much different than what you have been taught.

The truth is that God needs workers that He can depend on, just like any BOSS MAN. It's a very big universe and most of it is UNDEVELOPED. God wants good workers, faithful servants, not rebellious slaves.

He pays well.

The problem is there are a lot of people saying they have the truth. Many people have tried to connect with many deities and gotten nothing.

[Ephemeral]

The concept of God needing workers is ridiculous. After all, he is omnipotent.

[BlackSheep]

The concept of God needing workers is ridiculous. After all, he is omnipotent.

It depends on what model of what deity you are talking about.

[Peter]

The concept of God needing workers is ridiculous. After all, he is omnipotent.

Actually, apparently, the christian god needs worship. Why would a true god need to be constantly reminded that he's the top dog? Who knows, it's just another inconsistency with the whole christain god concept.

[The Theist]

A great deal of assumption on God's omnipotent and omniscient nature can be misleading. He doesn't know all and can't do all, which is what those qualities suggest. Him being God tends to cause people to exaggerate those qualities. He doesn't necessarily know what you will do before you do it. He knows the possibilities. For example he warns Cain of his growing hatred for Abel because of what that could provoke him to do. The Bible warns the Christian not to stumble or abandon righteous principles. This means there is the possibility of change.

You have to understand, too, that Jehovah God didn't create us for some mysterious purpose, to simply worship him, or to be tested in order to enter heaven. Those are all religious nonsense. He created us, out of love, to fill and subdue the earth. To enjoy everlasting life in paradise earth. Without sin, pain, sickness or the slow decay into death. The Bible says that Heaven was created for Jehovah and the spirit creatures while Earth was created for man. Everything from the blue sky and sea and the vegetation and the heavens above and the animal kingdom, to our senses, and qualities that reflect him (in his image) are a part of us for the purpose of our enjoyment.

The importance of worshiping God isn't for his sake, it is for our own.

[DragonFly]

…know exactly when you'd come into existence, what choices you would make, what kind of person you would become and he could grand you entrance based on that knowledge.

You have inadvertently stumbled into an area that, God or no God, one does as one 'will' do, unless one's 'will' can be shown not to depend on anything at all, but that is another topic.

At any rate, assumptions cannot go anywhere from a universal negative that has no positives, which causes 'faith' and its slippery language, that identifies this short-cut word as being something; however, it reduces to 'knowing' an unknown, and so it is not a knowing or a showing.

Since the 'GOD' notion is not known or shown in the first place, going on about it, such as layering further structures upon, does nothing for truth but compound one's situation by making one feel all the more that it is so.

Ignore all posts that yet go on to make things up about a proposed invisible.

[BlackSheep]

A great deal of assumption on God's omnipotent and omniscient nature can be misleading. He doesn't know all and can't do all, which is what those qualities suggest. Him being God tends to cause people to exaggerate those qualities. He doesn't necessarily know what you will do before you do it. He knows the possibilities. For example he warns Cain of his growing hatred for Abel because of what that could provoke him to do. The Bible warns the Christian not to stumble or abandon righteous principles. This means there is the possibility of change.

This is all assumption, both yours and other's.

You have to understand, too, that Jehovah God didn't create us for some mysterious purpose, to simply worship him, or to be tested in order to enter heaven. Those are all religious nonsense. He created us, out of love, to fill and subdue the earth. To enjoy everlasting life in paradise earth. Without sin, pain, sickness or the slow decay into death. The Bible says that Heaven was created for Jehovah and the spirit creatures while Earth was created for man. Everything from the blue sky and sea and the vegetation and the heavens above and the animal kingdom, to our senses, and qualities that reflect him (in his image) are a part of us for the purpose of our enjoyment.

Don't forget killing us at a whim.
And again more assumption on your part.

The importance of worshiping God isn't for his sake, it is for our own.

Support?

[grandpa]

This is all assumption, both yours and other's.
Don't forget killing us at a whim.

How they are to determine such things is a remarkable subject. How would believers possibly know what a God would feel, think, know, want, etc? To my mind the only answer is they're making God up, and assigning it this quality or that. And to assign God a "final goal" seems to sell it a bit short.

Grandpa h.