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    Why?

    Why do athiests and theists bring these arguments about the existence of god up? Each week we all see more and more threads about the existence of god, true or not true. There is evidence for evolution, but no evidence for why. There are stories of god, but no evidence of why.

    I think this sub forum should be closed until we can agree more on things, and that is not going to come about by demanding evidence from each other, then joining cliques to pat each other on the back for saying the same things over and over again.

    At least admin should stop new threads being made - we have plenty of those. Every now and then, somebody or other, hell bent on saying something clever to get grabbed by the others that support thier view and congradulated, starts another thread. We must all agree that we have enough of these threads? Heck I know some people come on here just to debate religion, and run around in circles.

    Please, for the love of little kittens, do not make more of these topics!

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    OK Char, in the future I promise not to start a new religion bashing thread unless I think it has some unique merit and/or I've never gotten a satisfactory answer.

    Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens

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    Quote Quote by: Charlatan View Post
    Why do athiests and theists bring these arguments about the existence of god up? Each week we all see more and more threads about the existence of god, true or not true. There is evidence for evolution, but no evidence for why. There are stories of god, but no evidence of why.

    I think this sub forum should be closed until we can agree more on things, and that is not going to come about by demanding evidence from each other, then joining cliques to pat each other on the back for saying the same things over and over again.

    At least admin should stop new threads being made - we have plenty of those. Every now and then, somebody or other, hell bent on saying something clever to get grabbed by the others that support thier view and congradulated, starts another thread. We must all agree that we have enough of these threads? Heck I know some people come on here just to debate religion, and run around in circles.

    Please, for the love of little kittens, do not make more of these topics!
    Here is an idea: If you dont like it.....leave.

    No one is forcing you to come here and "put up" with the multitude of threads here. This IS a debate forum, after all. The entire point is to discuss different topics.

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    Yes....convicted criminals do not help society, so my statement was not a gross generalization.
    Quote mining leads to harder, more damaging idiocy, like ignoring evidence, believing things because they feel good or "just make sense", and plain old blind adherence. If you cant say what you are going to say without misrepresenting, maybe you should reexamine your point.

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    Quote Quote by: Peter View Post
    OK Char, in the future I promise not to start a new religion bashing thread unless I think it has some unique merit and/or I've never gotten a satisfactory answer.
    so basically, damn near any topicis still open for debate then.....

    --If you dont want people making fun of your beliefs, dont have stupid fucking beliefs.--

    Quote Quote by: Dieval View Post
    Yes....convicted criminals do not help society, so my statement was not a gross generalization.
    Quote mining leads to harder, more damaging idiocy, like ignoring evidence, believing things because they feel good or "just make sense", and plain old blind adherence. If you cant say what you are going to say without misrepresenting, maybe you should reexamine your point.

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    Quote Quote by: xx_mortekai_xx View Post
    Here is an idea: If you dont like it.....leave.

    No one is forcing you to come here and "put up" with the multitude of threads here. This IS a debate forum, after all. The entire point is to discuss different topics.
    I come here for all the diversity of other topics. I always find myself cruising the religious hoping there is some progress, but that is a sad task.

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    Quote Quote by: Charlatan View Post
    I come here for all the diversity of other topics. I always find myself cruising the religious hoping there is some progress, but that is a sad task.
    so you are a sadist then.

    again, no one is forcing you to participate here. if you dont like the way it is, then dont participate.

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    Quote Quote by: Dieval View Post
    Yes....convicted criminals do not help society, so my statement was not a gross generalization.
    Quote mining leads to harder, more damaging idiocy, like ignoring evidence, believing things because they feel good or "just make sense", and plain old blind adherence. If you cant say what you are going to say without misrepresenting, maybe you should reexamine your point.

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    I feel that, like politics, this is an issue that encourages aggression, naturally enough, since the question tends to involve everyone without being capable of producing arguments that convince people starting from very different assumptions.


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    Quote Quote by: Charlatan View Post
    I come here for all the diversity of other topics. I always find myself cruising the religious hoping there is some progress, but that is a sad task.
    Then avoid this forum. Come on, you're causing your own problems. You don't want to look at the threads, you refuse to credibly debate anything and now you just whine about it.

    Man up and take responsibility for yourself.

    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    The debate over the existence of gods has gone on for thousands of years, frequently among highly educated theologians and philosophers. Not every facit of the issue is sophomoric. The fact that religious belief is so common to humans makes it a topic fascinating to many on both sides of the debate. Even those of us unconvinced that gods exist wonder what it is that makes humans worship gods, why we think we need them and what effect religious belief has on our society and humanity at large. It's an issue with a million sub-topics and each of those, within certain contexts, is worthy of debate.

    As to the moderation brought up in the OP: it is not the policy of the admins and mods to censor what topics are introduced for debate providing they are within the limits set by the rules and law. This forum exists because of member involvement and it's up to the members, not the staff, to suggest topics that are of interest to them.



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    I find religion to be one of the more interesting aspects of the human condition. Religion is a lot like a direct reflection of the human spirit--capable of astonishing brutality yet also having great beauty.

    But truth, Hajjaj was convinced, held many layers.

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    Quote Quote by: xx_mortekai_xx View Post
    so basically, damn near any topicis still open for debate then.....
    Pretty much.

    Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens

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    Quote Quote by: Charlatan View Post
    Why do athiests and theists bring these arguments about the existence of god up? Each week we all see more and more threads about the existence of god, true or not true. There is evidence for evolution, but no evidence for why. There are stories of god, but no evidence of why.

    I think this sub forum should be closed until we can agree more on things, and that is not going to come about by demanding evidence from each other, then joining cliques to pat each other on the back for saying the same things over and over again.

    At least admin should stop new threads being made - we have plenty of those. Every now and then, somebody or other, hell bent on saying something clever to get grabbed by the others that support thier view and congradulated, starts another thread. We must all agree that we have enough of these threads? Heck I know some people come on here just to debate religion, and run around in circles.

    Please, for the love of little kittens, do not make more of these topics!
    Charltan. No one has a problem with you. Don't get offended. The issue is this demonstrative dictator Yaweh/Allah. Get out of their grips as soon as you can.


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