I can't trust "fundies", can you?

[Questatement]

I have never met a single Christian who gets his morals from the bible. They get their morals from society and then interpret the bible in a way that supports those morals. The parts of the bible that disagrees with those morals are ignored.

For instance, stoning disobedient children, adulterers, gays, etc. When was the last time you saw a good old fashioned stoning?

How can someone who never understood the bible, nor has an open mind to understand it now, make comments about what the bible actually says?

Just amazing, really.

Question - are Christians called to stone anyone for anything?

[xx_mortekai_xx]

I have never met a single Christian who gets his morals from the bible. They get their morals from society and then interpret the bible in a way that supports those morals. The parts of the bible that disagrees with those morals are ignored.

For instance, stoning disobedient children, adulterers, gays, etc. When was the last time you saw a good old fashioned stoning?

Ignoring parts of the book doesnt mean that they dont derive their morals from it. They simply use the parts they like. They do this on many subjects. On this forum specifically, there is a thread called "imagine" where a christian tries to justify the morality of slavery using the bible. So dont tell me they dont. (EDIT: speaking of which, there is the specific christian right above my post)

Hell, ask any of them and they will likely justify their moral positions with either a bible quote or some vague claim about jesus or god.

[Questatement]

On this forum specifically, there is a thread called "imagine" where a christian tries to justify the morality of slavery using the bible. So dont tell me they dont. (EDIT: speaking of which, there is the specific christian right above my post)

Oh the horror of looking at a controversial topic with an open mind instead of remaining stuck in ones little, inculturated incubator all safe and warm.

Mommy!

Btw, am I getting the hang of your 'debate' style?

[arX]

Slavery is controversial!? Show me a 21st century slavery advocate and I'll show you a psychopath.

[Questatement]

Slavery is controversial!? Show me a 21st century slavery advocate and I'll show you a psychopath.

Show me your license to clinically diagnose psychopathy and we'll talk.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

Oh the horror of looking at a controversial topic with an open mind instead of remaining stuck in ones little, inculturated incubator all safe and warm.

Mommy!

Btw, am I getting the hang of your 'debate' style?

this coming from someone who thinks slavery is justified.

And I am not debating this topic. its a fact. You tried to justify slavery using the bible.

If examining a topic and finding it to be repulsive due to the human rights violations that go along with it, and rejecting it because of that is closed minded, fine. Im closed minded.

At least I dont think selling people and beating them to death because they are "as money" is moral. You do.

BTW, i got the hang of your debate style very early on, as did everyone else in that thread. Hence the insistence you stay on the topic instead of trying to wander off of it without actually conceding your fault.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

Slavery is controversial!? Show me a 21st century slavery advocate and I'll show you a psychopath.

It isnt to quest. He sees absolutely no controversy in owning another person as property. He made that very clear.

[Questatement]

And I am not debating this topic. its a fact.

You never debated it in the first place.

Just swing your little elephant trunk to and fro like you saw daddy do.

[Thanatos]

Even if "those verses" were still quoted in public today they would not promote slavery, or oppression of women or abusive behavior towards each other.

They did to a lot of other people. Of course, your interpretation is the only possible logical one; it would be wrong to blame Christianity as a whole when your personal beliefs are claimed to be different.

That's not what they promoted then and there is surely no reason to think they promote that today. In short, "those verses" were directed to the children of Israel, who happened to be prideful and barbaric and who regularly conducted themselves in such manor. As did most of the world around them at the time. God, who entered into a covenant with Abraham began to exercise his will in keeping to the Abrahamic covenant. As you probably know, it included a long process of separating the Israelites from the rest of the world and changing them. Part of that process was to address them where they were when it came to how they treated their fellow man/woman. They kept slaves and oppressed woman at the time so he began implementing laws that slowly and incrementally changed them from the inside over the centuries to the point today where they, nor we as Christians, agree with the past barbaric conduct.

I suppose. After accepting some very silly laws that prevent Israelites from eating cooked pork or that require the use of magical rituals to detect if your wife has been cheating, they became better people who would know to release their slaves.

Oh, wait, except the Emancipation Procalamtion came from a dangerously pragmatic atheist who was involved in a massive and incredibly destructive war between the relatively secular and industrial North and the relatively pious South.

Had he just outlawed it outright the people would not have changed inwardly over the expanse of time. And we see the results of that kind of approach around the world today. Ever notice the ineffectiveness of UN laws forbidding slave trafficking in countries who exploit and have exploited their fellow human beings for generations? Contextual understanding is everything.

You are equating the relative power level and degree of politeness of the UN with the Old Testament God.

The UN signs resolutions. God... well, going Biblical on someone is a phrase.

homosexuality

I'll leave you to your beliefs on this one.

That could be said of anyone. It's the misrepresentations of our beliefs we do not accept.

Your beliefs. You are not plural and you do not speak for Christianity as a whole, or even a significant fraction.

In a room full of ten random Christians you could easily be the only one to interpret it your exact way. Even within whatever church you go to, I'm going to guess not everybody thinks the same thing.

Whatever a believer believes, they do so with all their heart. There is often no room for doubt in their mind that this is the literal Biblical interpretation.

Faults, we all have, but anyone who allows faults that are nonexistent to be attributed to them without first trying to put things in perspective is more untrustworthy in my book. If someone will sell themselves out for the sake of appeasement who know what they'll sell you out for.

You're not for sale because it is *my* belief that slavery is wrong. Your market value is probably low anyway, unless you have blonde hair.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

You never debated it in the first place.

Yeah, no shit. There is nothing to debate. You tried to justify slavery using the bible. Case closed.

[Zeebadee]

I have a number of fairly good acquaintances at work that you'd call christian fundamentalists. They seem to be fairly normal people about everything but religion. When it comes to religion I notice I treat then as if they were psychopaths. IOW, I treat them just like I would treat anyone who heard voices in their heads. In normal conversation I can almost see them straining as they ask themselves, what would jesus do? I can't trust them because they don't think for themselves, their moral framework is interpreted from an old storybook. I feel as if they could justify anything based on what their preacher told them last Sunday or how they interpreted a particular passage in the bible. They are, to me, perfectly and completely psychotic because they are capable of doing anything and justifying it to themselves with their faith.

Does anyone else feel this way about christian fundamentalists or fundies from other religions?

Absolutely! I feel exactly the same way about fundie atheists. They rant and rave about something they don't even believe in! They exude hatred and vitriol from every pore. They continually start new threads for their religion bashing, counting on peer support from other atheists to make themselves feel good. Sort of like a Mutual Admiration Society for atheists. They use personal insults and ridicule to drive out any rational debate, because, in the end, they know they have no more proof of their stance than the theists they rant and rave about.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

Absolutely! I feel exactly the same way about fundie atheists. They rant and rave about something they don't even believe in! They exude hatred and vitriol from every pore. They continually start new threads for their religion bashing, counting on peer support from other atheists to make themselves feel good. Sort of like a Mutual Admiration Society for atheists. They use personal insults and ridicule to drive out any rational debate, because, in the end, they know they have no more proof of their stance than the theists they rant and rave about.

what, exactly, is a fundie atheist?