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[The Theist]

I think that if you walk around in a sort of stupor which has been prescribed to you then most certainly you are a product of your times. Should your enlightened or unenlightened presence fall out of line and make use of the potentially dangerous simple act of asking - begging the question - its the stuff of heroes.

Almost everything the atheists here claims on the Bible speaks of ignorance. But, it doesn't matter.

[minorwork]

I think that if you walk around in a sort of stupor which has been prescribed to you then most certainly you are a product of your times. Should your enlightened or unenlightened presence fall out of line and make use of the potentially dangerous simple act of asking - begging the question - its the stuff of heroes.

Almost everything the atheists here claims on the Bible speaks of ignorance. But, it doesn't matter.

Is vanity preferable to ignorance?

[arX]

I think that if you walk around in a sort of stupor which has been prescribed to you then most certainly you are a product of your times.

This is coming from one who aspires to be a product of medieval times based on the prescription of one very old and very ignorant book.

[Jack]

Props to minorwork and arX for being able to understand enough of the OP to compose a reply. I couldn't figure out what the point was that was being made.

[Charlatan]

The athiest, theist, rejects the notion of God. This is not ignorant, it is an educated position based on research and deep thought. The christian is more ignorant as they could just be parrots. However...

Why is it that when we read the bible over and over again, it doesn't seem to make people ask questions? How many times has science re written itself and evolved, yet the bible has not been added to? If you think about it, so many preachers work off the same script and then come to different conclusions, yet none of them argue with it, unless they lose thier faith.

It is not wrong. These stories though go over the top, as the old testament repeats itself over and over again, saying, god is great, love god, love those around you. That is not wrong. Then the new testament says more or less the same, but has lessons in it.

So, let's say that the bible is a story book full of wisdom? The bible is not wrong, except in the eyes of the athiest it is wrong about there being a god. Who cares if those stories happened or not? Really you learn what you learn, then interpret it. There is nothing wrong with reading the bible or looking to it for a source of realisation.

Now, why does god exist for some and not for others? Well, that is because He is not around for us to bear witness, but, with the help of evp, referenced on this forum, we have found that there is life after death at least. If we could find god with evp, how would we know?

I believe that god is not omnibenevolent, as he hates sin, and therefore likes people that do not sin more, of course. This understanding is for the 'universal code', a force that holds everything dear. I do not believe god made life, it came from the universe, somehow, someway. This is how it works.

So, why do we believe in god? I believe in god because i know there is a spirit out there that precedes other life, a 'father', and he used to speak to the world using psi, also covered on this forum. The thing I guess happened was that the eastern teachings of bugga got fused with teachings from the pagans, who believed there was not a force called bugga and a father, but that they were the same thing.

[ozzie666]

Props to minorwork and arX for being able to understand enough of the OP to compose a reply. I couldn't figure out what the point was that was being made.

seconded

Almost everything the atheists here claims on the Bible speaks of ignorance.

maybe atheist use the word ignorance a lot but its the only word for it. a volcon posted a few days ago: "the god your talking about may not be real but mine is because he exists"

thats just like saying "you may not believe the dodo is still around but i do, so they are."

almost the epitome of ignorance...

[Robert]

I think that if you walk around in a sort of stupor which has been prescribed to you then most certainly you are a product of your times. Should your enlightened or unenlightened presence fall out of line and make use of the potentially dangerous simple act of asking - begging the question - its the stuff of heroes.

Almost everything the atheists here claims on the Bible speaks of ignorance. But, it doesn't matter.

I was going to 'like' it, but the button is missing again. For those who can't understand the OP, I understood it well enough

[Robert]

This is coming from one who aspires to be a product of medieval times based on the prescription of one very old and very ignorant book.

That is a very biased naive way of looking at it, and can only come from the mind of one who already thinks that 'eyes closed' is a good idea

[Dave In Canada]

That is a very biased naive way of looking at it, and can only come from the mind of one who already thinks that 'eyes closed' is a good idea

This is how most non-believers think of theists and faith.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

That is a very biased naive way of looking at it, and can only come from the mind of one who already thinks that 'eyes closed' is a good idea

so, its naive to reject the prescriptions on enslaving gentiles? Its naive to ignore the commands to stone unruly children? Its naive to resist the idea that killing every person on earth except 8 of them was a good thing?

Some idea you have of naivety. And some idea you have of what is considered a moral guide. I damn sure wouldnt sacrifice my son for any god, and the fact that abraham thought that god would ask this of him means that he believe that it was within god's nature to demand human sacrifice.

But the story of Jeptha is just as damning as far as the human sacrifice goes, so dont give me the tired shit of "god wasnt really going to make abraham kill his son, he was just testing abraham", because thats not the only example.

And how do you feel about selling your daughter into slavery? God seems ok with it.

If its naive to reject your monster god in favor of humanity and compassion for your fellow man, I am naive as hell. I think, though, that that word doesnt mean what you think it means.

[Questatement]

so, its naive to reject the prescriptions on enslaving gentiles? Its naive to ignore the commands to stone unruly children? Its naive to resist the idea that killing every person on earth except 8 of them was a good thing?

Was it not you who bowed out of a debate where I was willing to delve into the depths of this very thing? ('Rituals of the Bible' thread)

To answer your question, yes, it is niave to ignore or resist any concept before being willing to stretch yourself enough to evaluate them in honest debate and with an open mind.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

Was it not you who bowed out of a debate where I was willing to delve into the depths of this very thing? ('Rituals of the Bible' thread)

To answer your question, yes, it is niave to ignore or resist any concept before being willing to stretch yourself enough to evaluate them in honest debate and with an open mind.

I bowed out because i realized I was dealing with someone who actually questioned why it was wrong to own another person as an argument in defense of the bible. and you reinforce my choice by saying you should consider stoning your unruly children or killing every person on the planet save 8.

thanks for letting me know that you havent changed and that I can safely disregard your opinion in this debate, as well.