Rituals of the bible

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actually, a woman's most fertile period is 2 weeks after her last period. Its called ovulation. aparantly, your god doesnt even know the reproductive cycle of the people he supposedly made.

The current day, Orthodox Jewish practice of Niddah has the woman washing 7 days after her flow begins and assuming it is over, she is 'clean' and can resume sex after her washing. However, historically the Jews practived Zavah which was true to the reading of Lev. 12. - that being the woman must wait 7 days after her last sign of blood to become 'clean' and available to her husband. Placing her total days of all evidence of her menstruation around 5 days, adding 7 more puts her 2 days before ovulation. Seeing that sperm can live for 1-3 days inside the woman, especially in a fertile mucus environment, sex would resume as I claimed, at the most fertile time for the couple.

Actually, its your claim. people posing doubts to your claim dont need evidence for their doubts. its your responsibility to actually support your claims in the face of the doubts.

Okay, let's assume for a minute that the cause of people dying in mass or on a regular basis is 'obvious' to those in antiquity. What caused the Black Death plauge, the spread of it, and what was the thinking of the day as compared to what we now understand?

[Questatement]

now demonstrate how that proves a god exists, or that the bible is divinely inspired.

There is no universal proof for anything that applies to everyone.

Maybe you can tell me how the Hebrews, in practice, were thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world on healthy dietary, environmental, and disease prevention/control measures when the rest of mankind only 'caught up' (granted, based on the causes of) in the last 100 or so years.

More to the comparative point of that era, why were the Hebrews burying their feces away from where they resided when the Egyptians (the most 'advanced' civilization of that time) were consuming it in hopes of curing various ailments??

[Thanatos]

Why can't Hebrews eat cooked pork?

A source whose practical advice is limited to suggestions like "don't shit where you drink" and "don't eat that because sometimes people die when they eat that and we're not sure why" isn't very useful or obviously supernatural in nature.

Now, if you want people who lived smart I suggest investigating some of the shamanic cultures. The Bribri of Costa Rica aren't stupid. If someone ate something and something happened, the shaman took note of it and they built up a truly vast quantity of knowledge. Also, the Europeans were pretty dumb about medicine but I believe you just made up medicinal coprophagia on the spot.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

There is no universal proof for anything that applies to everyone.

ooh, goodie, i was hoping for this: Please explain why that is....

Maybe you can tell me how the Hebrews, in practice, were thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world on healthy dietary, environmental, and disease prevention/control measures when the rest of mankind only 'caught up' (granted, based on the causes of) in the last 100 or so years.

More to the comparative point of that era, why were the Hebrews burying their feces away from where they resided when the Egyptians (the most 'advanced' civilization of that time) were consuming it in hopes of curing various ailments??

Just because a civilization can build pyramids doesnt make them more advanced overall. and you just pointed out how they could do it. The same way the egyptians were more advanced in engineering. They focused on it, to the detriment of other areas. Im skilled in math and spatial logic, but music and the structure that exists in it eludes me. Does that make me overall less advanced than someone who is skilled in music and not in math and spatial logic?

But to your point that they were thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world....REALLY? they thought that disease was divine punishment. besides, the hygiene laws were followed for religious purposes, because being 'unlean' was a sign of sin in the eyes of god. it was so rigorously followed for that reason. Their god killed people for touching the ark of the covenant. If hezekiah didnt wash his balls, what was god going to do to him?

[Questatement]

ooh, goodie, i was hoping for this: Please explain why that is....

Just because a civilization can build pyramids doesnt make them more advanced overall. and you just pointed out how they could do it. The same way the egyptians were more advanced in engineering. They focused on it, to the detriment of other areas. Im skilled in math and spatial logic, but music and the structure that exists in it eludes me. Does that make me overall less advanced than someone who is skilled in music and not in math and spatial logic?

Then don't you find it strange that the Hebrews did not lack far behind the Egyptian advancements in the areas you highlight? Do you see any difference in setting cut stones upon one another (something all ancient civilizations did) and practices apparently based on principles completely invisible to the human eye? These same invisible forces confounding mankind until the modern era starting with the invention of the microscope?

Did you see my question about the Black Death plague? Care to answer?

What about my post on a the woman's menstrual cycle and fertility?

But to your point that they were thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world....REALLY? they thought that disease was divine punishment. besides, the hygiene laws were followed for religious purposes, because being 'unlean' was a sign of sin in the eyes of god. it was so rigorously followed for that reason. Their god killed people for touching the ark of the covenant. If hezekiah didnt wash his balls, what was god going to do to him?

There are only three categories of law within the ancient Hebrew culture - criminal, civil, and ceremonial. Does it really matter what 'heading' these beneficial laws fall under when they can be understood in modern times to be highly beneficial? God said do x and avoid y and you will be blessed and now that we have the benefit of modern science and medicine at our disposal, it's shown to be accurate information for the flourishing of a society.

Lastly, some of those plagues were a divine punishment. That doesn't mean that God didn't use natural laws in the process to enact them, just that he intervened to bring it about.

[Questatement]

Why can't Hebrews eat cooked pork?

It's called playing it safe. Trichinosis is often fatal to humans and with plenty of other livestock around, which is not subject to the worm, why risk it?

A source whose practical advice is limited to suggestions like "don't shit where you drink" and "don't eat that because sometimes people die when they eat that and we're not sure why" isn't very useful or obviously supernatural in nature.

Except it's not limited to that and you know it. Dietary and waste disposal laws are just two of several areas of better health practices found in the Mosiac law.

[Thanatos]

It's called playing it safe. Trichinosis is often fatal to humans and with plenty of other livestock around, which is not subject to the worm, why risk it?

Given the variety of food-borne diseases and parasites in the world and the fact that trichinosis is not even found exclusively in pigs, advice to cook your food thoroughly would have been much more useful.

Except it's not limited to that and you know it. Dietary and waste disposal laws are just two of several areas of better health practices found in the Mosiac law.

Actually, no, I don't know it. I recall something about soldiers being commanded by God to carry a sword/shovel/thing that they could use to bury waste (which is where I think you're getting some of this) and a lot of stuff later on about foot washing that doesn't make much sense.

There's a lot of Bible. Many people don't love it enough to have the whole thing memorized.

[Questatement]

Given the variety of food-borne diseases and parasites in the world and the fact that trichinosis is not even found exclusively in pigs, advice to cook your food thoroughly would have been much more useful.

A simple internet search should give you highlights of how the Mosaic law deals with other food borne diseases, parasites, mold, mildew, skin infections, etc. and note how they are all in the microscopic danger category? Odd how there is no evidence for an invisible God, yet, the writings that God claims to have given deals with dangers that were invisible to man for thousands of years after.

Is there any wild game known for trichinosis that both chews the cud and has a split hoof? This might assist you.

Actually, no, I don't know it. I recall something about soldiers being commanded by God to carry a sword/shovel/thing that they could use to bury waste (which is where I think you're getting some of this) and a lot of stuff later on about foot washing that doesn't make much sense.

Come back when you have an accusation against something specific in the bible instead of vague recollections.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

Then don't you find it strange that the Hebrews did not lack far behind the Egyptian advancements in the areas you highlight? Do you see any difference in setting cut stones upon one another (something all ancient civilizations did) and practices apparently based on principles completely invisible to the human eye? These same invisible forces confounding mankind until the modern era starting with the invention of the microscope?

You honestly think the hebrew engineering of the time was even close to comparable? Wow. It was a MASSIVE feat of engineering to build the pyramids. The stones themselves were so precisely cut that there isnt even an air gap between them. Show me something comparable from the time or before.

The fact that you describe it as simply "setting cut stones upon one another" shows your lack of understanding. And if you want to compare, we still dont really understand how the egyptians cut those stones like they did. So, to be honest, the egyptians understanding of engineering far exceeded the hebrew understanding of supposed health.

Did you see my question about the Black Death plague? Care to answer?

They thought it was god's wrath. It was rats carrying fleas. And?

What about my post on a the woman's menstrual cycle and fertility?

And when the period lasts for 3 days instead (which is common), your timetable gets thrown off. Then your sperm survival at 3 days is best case, and not reflective of the norm. Also, your basis for the 1-3 days is based on the sperm actually getting out of the vagina, which doesnt happen all the time. Sperm only survive on the order of hours when they dont.

Also, why the convoluted shit about washing? why not convey understanding by telling them to wait 2 weeks?

There are only three categories of law within the ancient Hebrew culture - criminal, civil, and ceremonial. Does it really matter what 'heading' these beneficial laws fall under when they can be understood in modern times to be highly beneficial? God said do x and avoid y and you will be blessed and now that we have the benefit of modern science and medicine at our disposal, it's shown to be accurate information for the flourishing of a society.

really? not wearing blended fibers was highly beneficial? besides, the list of jewish commandments includes tons of things that have no demonstrable benefit to society, including:

Knowing there is a god (genuflecting bullshit)
Not thinking that other gods exist (genuflecting bullshit)
Knowing that god is 'one' (genuflecting bullshit)
Loving god (genuflecting bullshit)
Fearing god (genuflecting bullshit)
Sanctifying god's name (genuflecting bullshit)
Not profaning god's name (genuflecting bullshit)
Not destroying objects associated with god's name (genuflecting bullshit)
listening to prophets (genuflecting bullshit)
not trying god unduly (genuflecting bullshit)
trying to emulate his ways (this one is especially problematic, considering god's psychopathic tendencies)
cleaving to those who know god (this one simply encourages cult behavior)
love other jews, not to hate fellow jews (these two are seperate laws. Seems god could have done with just one of them)
Not to take revenge (doesnt this conflict with the eye for an eye law?)
To learn the torah (more genuflecting bullshit)
honor those who teach and know the torah (again, more genuflecting bullshit)
Not to blashpheme(can we stop with the genuflecting bullshit already?)
Not to be superstitious (which is funny as hell, considering)
Destroy idols and their accessories (because they offend god, right? genuflecting horseshit)
Not shaving the hair on the sides of the head
not shaving a beard with a razor
Not crossdressing(covers two different laws)
Not to tattoo the skin
not to mutter incantations

I could go on, but I think I have made my point, and Im only through about 40 of the 613 jewish laws.

Lastly, some of those plagues were a divine punishment. That doesn't mean that God didn't use natural laws in the process to enact them, just that he intervened to bring it about.

I betcha you cant prove any of this.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

It's called playing it safe. Trichinosis is often fatal to humans and with plenty of other livestock around, which is not subject to the worm, why risk it?



Except it's not limited to that and you know it. Dietary and waste disposal laws are just two of several areas of better health practices found in the Mosiac law.

How about you list these several areas of better health practices?

And why not just tell people to cook their pork better? we had fire, and knew about cooking.

[lsbskins1]

How about you list these several areas of better health practices?

And why not just tell people to cook their pork better? we had fire, and knew about cooking.

No, no, no. The game is he asks the questions. See, this is how this works...you bring up something like "Why not just tell 'em to cook the pork longer" and he won't answer that, he will ask you 17 other, very vague questions, based on vague claims and hope that nobody notices he never answered your question. Defuse and deflect. It is a favorite tactic of the uber-religious and the uber-racist.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

No, no, no. The game is he asks the questions. See, this is how this works...you bring up something like "Why not just tell 'em to cook the pork longer" and he won't answer that, he will ask you 17 other, very vague questions, based on vague claims and hope that nobody notices he never answered your question. Defuse and deflect. It is a favorite tactic of the uber-religious and the uber-racist.

Thats why i keep asking. I am not arguing against these people for their benefit, because its likely that I will never sway them. I argue for the people who are watching and not participating, who might be on the fence about their beliefs. If just one of those people starts thinking about what they believe and why, it might start them down the road that leads to non-belief.