Obviously, we followed different paths. Perhaps if you felt the calling to become a member of the clergy, you might find it necessary to better familiarize yourself with the bible and the nature of the god it describes. And perhaps that calling would also lead you to doubt, even with what you now consider absolutely true belief.
And we assert your faith has no substance due to your god not existing, not on the veracity of your personal experience. Just because you feel something doesnt mean its real. Just because you believe something, doesnt make it true. We dont think you are LYING when you say you have those experiences. We doubt the source. Besides, unless you are unendingly arrogant (which i dont assert here), you must admit that your senses can be fooled, and that your experiences could be something other than what you perceive them to be. and if that is the case, why should we trust your assertion that a god is the source of these experiences?
And recognizing delusion has nothing to do with comparing it with our former delusion. It has to do with the belief in something that, as far as any of you can show, doesnt exist.
We also dont believe schizophrenics when they say that they are from another planet, even if it is absolutely real to them.
How presumptuous.Obviously, we followed different paths. Perhaps if you felt the calling to become a member of the clergy, you might find it necessary to better familiarize yourself with the bible and the nature of the god it describes. And perhaps that calling would also lead you to doubt, even with what you now consider absolutely true belief.
Also in my op I alluded to the fact atheists don't tell of their relationship with God and I brought attention to that fact again in #35 and still have not heard a peep. Just because I didn't specifically ask with the verbiage you require doesn't mean you couldn't share. So that's just another strawman Jack.
How could I undermine that which is already shipwrecked?
Believing and bonding are two separate things.
You all admit you were delusional in your beliefs.because you realized god isn't real. How do I know your not delusional now?
please answer this. We have yet to get an answer other than what equates to No True Scotsman crossed with mind reading.
And please answer my previous post as well.
That's his argument, yours too. You both say you had real faith in a god who didn't exist.How can you POSSIBLY say his faith was misplaced?
besides, the point is that you think god is real, and you are trying to judge whether jack's faith was misplaced or not, which is impossible for you to say. According to your position, his faith was misplaced, but yours isnt. This claim requires mind reading ability, and absolute trust in one's own perception. Since you have neither, i ask again:
How can you possibly claim his faith was misplaced?