What is the difference between christianity and islam?

[sulh-i-kul]

What are you talking about?
Conflicts over sharia are normally conflicts between Muslims.
If there's a conflict between Christians and Muslims over sharia somewhere, it will be better solved without provocations like "sharia must be discarded".

[Charlatan]

Well, if you followed my post, there is a lot being asked for by Mohammed, while he provides very little in the way of signs and after that, there is a lot of paranoia holding back the sybergy between the two religions, and this can waste time. If you ask me what good this will do, think of business dealings and investment...

[sulh-i-kul]

Well, watch your tongue if you want to be a diplomat.
If you want syngery, instead of "sharia must be discarded" you would for instance say that you want "an oecumenical declaration regarding sharia" or even better "an oecumenical agreement for the application of sharia in Cape Town" or something.

[Charlatan]

What i am saying is that sharia has no base, the people should not fight for it, there should be no alqueda, moslems should live in peace and the west should not be turned to sharia on pain of death.

[sulh-i-kul]

You have nothing to fear.

What is sharia?
What is alqueda?
Who wants to turn the west to sharia on the pain of death?
You can not answer these questions. Knowing that you can not, people have lied to you. They made you weak and afraid so that you would turn away from righteousness and do their bidding.
The way to peace for you will be to recognize your fears are based on lies, to understand how you came to trust liars and to find the strength within you to resist lies so that your goodwill might not be abused so easily in the future.

May you find peace.

[Maryjane]

Just a reminder...debate the OPINIONS of the posters and not the posters themselves and all will be right in the land of Volconvo~
Thanks~

[Darklordabc]

War on terror? You mean war on Islam.

I think the most important difference between Christianity and Islam, is its current mainstream interpretations. Even if the Koran is in theory more peaceful then the bible (which I doubt), and even if Christianity once inspired massive amounts of violence, it would say little to the current understanding of its followers today. And the current understanding of Islam today, for the majority of Muslims worldwide, is very radical and very aggressive, especially compared to the relatively modernized Christianity. If you doubt this, ask yourself? Where are all the Christian theocracies, where all the Christians demanding theocratic laws, where are the daily terrorist bombings inspired by Christianity? Where are the millions of christian women who are relegated to status of Male's property, sure you can find a few, but literally millions of women in Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran and most other Muslim societies are treated as second class citizens, genitally mutilated, raped, humiliated and brutalized. The scale of suffering placed on the silent and hidden female population in most Muslim majority societies goes beyond the ability of imagination to comprehend. No religion today is causing this much suffering, not even close, and Christianity doesn't even scratch it.

[Thanatos]

Where are all the Christian theocracies, where all the Christians demanding theocratic laws,

Georgia. I fucking hate that state.

where are the daily terrorist bombings inspired by Christianity?

Africa, the Balkans, select groups in Lebanon (but everybody's crazy and evil there), sometimes the redder states including Georgia.

Where are the millions of christian women who are relegated to status of Male's property,

Utah.

sure you can find a few, but literally millions of women in Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran and most other Muslim societies are treated as second class citizens,

I'll concede that there's a lot more of them than there are fundie Mormons.

Oh, but

Female political leaders in Islam and in Muslim-majority countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

genitally mutilated,

More of an Animist thing really.

raped, humiliated and brutalized.

I mentioned the Balkans already, but in terms of shitty things people do to other people... yeah. The Serbs were going for some kind of record in the last war.

Rape in the Bosnian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The scale of suffering placed on the silent and hidden female population in most Muslim majority societies goes beyond the ability of imagination to comprehend. No religion today is causing this much suffering, not even close, and Christianity doesn't even scratch it.

Nah. The really twisted thing is they learn to like it. They think this is good. In the libertarian conception of freedom, they're living the dream. Most of them are way too ignorant to want to be free, and most of the people around them are way too ignorant to know they should free their women.

[Darklordabc]

Nah. The really twisted thing is they learn to like it. They think this is good. In the libertarian conception of freedom, they're living the dream. Most of them are way too ignorant to want to be free, and most of the people around them are way too ignorant to know they should free their women.

The slave that has been indoctrinated to want to be a slave, is still a slave. People being massively ignorant and not knowing there is a better life, just makes them even more of a victim of Islam.

I mentioned the Balkans already, but in terms of shitty things people do to other people... yeah. The Serbs were going for some kind of record in the last war.

Rape in the Bosnian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mentioning one injustice committed against Muslims, is a nonsensical response to the assertion that Muslims are committing massive injustices themselves. Its the same as arguing that America isn't committing massive injustice to the third world because pearl harbor happened

I'll concede that there's a lot more of them than there are fundie Mormons.

Oh, but

Female political leaders in Islam and in Muslim-majority countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pakistan, Women's Oasis according to Thanatos:

Estimates of the percentage of women who experience spousal abuse alone range from 70 to upwards of 90 percent. If there is anything more disturbing than the prevalence of these crimes, it is the impunity with which they are committed. Samia Sarwar's case is an example not only of the violence experienced by Pakistani women but also of the lack of governmental will to do anything about it.

According to Report of the Commission of Inquiry for Women (1997), 70 percent of women in police stations were subjected to sexual and physical violence

In Pakistan, the women's access to property, education, employment etc. remains considerably lower compared to men's.[42] ... the educational status of Pakistani women is among the lowest in the world.

The literacy rate of females in Pakistan is at 39.6 percent compared to that of males at 67.7 percent

Pakistani Women face all kinds of domestic violence and abuse at the hands of
male perpetuators’ family members and community, even today women are mutilated, beaten and murdered in ritual “honour killings” (Jehanzeb 2004). It is estimated that one fifth of the “honour killings” in this world are committed in Pakistan. Almost 1000 women are killed in the name of honour every year. Pakistan has a population of 170 million and about three women are killed each day for the sake of so-called honour restoration.

Utah.

Now I know your not being serious.

Africa, the Balkans, select groups in Lebanon (but everybody's crazy and evil there), sometimes the redder states including Georgia.

Not even comparable to the amount of Islamic bombings going on constantly.

Georgia. I fucking hate that state.

I really wish people would stop always trying to understand Islam and the evils of the world through the lens of their own local trite problems. Georgia has nothing like the religious tyranny that all Muslim majority countries have, it is not a useful analogy.

[Thanatos]

The slave that has been indoctrinated to want to be a slave, is still a slave. People being massively ignorant and not knowing there is a better life, just makes them even more of a victim of Islam.

You don't know it yet, but on the most basic level you're on the wrong side.

Mentioning one injustice committed against Muslims, is a nonsensical response to the assertion that Muslims are committing massive injustices themselves. Its the same as arguing that America isn't committing massive injustice to the third world because pearl harbor happened

Or maybe not.

Some people see it as all good guys and bad guys. It's never two good guys fighting or two bad guys fighting. Those people who see it that way are very wrong.

Pakistan, Women's Oasis according to Thanatos:

I said that some Muslim countries have leaders that happen to be female and alluded to suspiciously similar ethics among fundamentalist Mormons. The fact that I'm attacking Mormons and making Indonesia look good doesn't mean I love everything about Pakistan.

In fact, it's entirely possible that I'm too damn cynical to be on anybody's side at all. No one is worthy of my unconditional love! How someone like you loves a race or a nation just mystifies me.

Now I know your not being serious.

When I first got high-speed internet I tried to tell people the truth plainly and simply.

I really wish people would stop always trying to understand Islam and the evils of the world through the lens of their own local trite problems. Georgia has nothing like the religious tyranny that all Muslim majority countries have, it is not a useful analogy.

Oh, but it's full of Europeans. They are naturally prone to religious warfare and tyranny and just because they've suppressed their tendencies to the point where they can form a stable society doesn't mean they can be trusted.

I'm a scientist. Not a very good one, but I am. I look at the history, I look at what people seem to want to do even if the liberals won't let them, and I look at the Middle East.

[Darklordabc]

You don't know it yet, but on the most basic level you're on the wrong side.

Or maybe not.
Some people see it as all good guys and bad guys. It's never two good guys fighting or two bad guys fighting. Those people who see it that way are very wrong.

I'm guessing that you consider anybody who has purpose and a desire to change the world is on the 'wrong side' and only apathetic cynics are on the right side? right?

I said that some Muslim countries have leaders that happen to be female and alluded to suspiciously similar ethics among fundamentalist Mormons. The fact that I'm attacking Mormons and making Indonesia look good doesn't mean I love everything about Pakistan.

No, but your trying to create an impression that the sins of Mormons are equal or similar to to the sins of Islamists. You are trying (like so many people who don't really care do) to make America seem just as bad as the real bad guys. Which any basic review of living standards of Mormons vs Muslims would reveal is not true.

In fact, it's entirely possible that I'm too damn cynical to be on anybody's side at all. No one is worthy of my unconditional love! How someone like you loves a race or a nation just mystifies me

I really wished you kept your cynicism to less tragic topics. Its just heartless and inappropriate to say your not willing to be on the side of innocent women living in horrible conditions. I wish I could say your position mystifies me, but your nihilism is pretty common now days. And this has nothing to do with race realism or national pride, its to do with basic human suffering, I'm sorry if that's too partisan of an issue for you to take a side on.

[Thanatos]

I'm guessing that you consider anybody who has purpose and a desire to change the world is on the 'wrong side' and only apathetic cynics are on the right side? right?

Your statement suggests you ARE on the right side, mostly.

Most of your enemies are people just like you. That's always how it's going to be. The world has plenty of sociopaths and freaks of nature but the great masses are always psychotypical human beings. What makes most people different is their environment, their experiences, and social norms.

You wonder why I try to understand people I disagree with, or if I even disagree with people no one should agree with. I wonder how you can sincerely believe you want to help anyone if you won't see things from their perspective.

I want to give every woman in Afghanistan a gun and an attitude problem. This is not because I'm on Christianity's side, America's side, or simply not on the side of local cultural norms.

I'm on everybody's side. Well, I try to be, when I'm not being crazy or stupid.