This evidence is amazing in that there was NO brain activity for seven days and the memories the neurosurgeon brings back were impossible for the brain to process according to science says he, a scientist! The experience itself isn't what makes it so amazing, it's Dr Eben Alexander III's qualifications that really makes it unique.
This can no way be explained away as some sort of residual brain activity. There is life after death. Are you ready? God is love.
Life after death may be a possibility. Reincarnation as the one doctor stated should be considered as a possibility. However it is clear that this video in no way endorses the belief in your Christian God or any other specific god for that matter.Quote by: finder
I guess finder that this opens the door for you to stop you with your bronze age belief in the Christian God and can now contemplate a new journey of Spiritual Humanism.
I really don't see this as convincing. The various 'memories' / visions he saw could be created when the brain was slowing down or ramping up again. As for the differences between the pilot and a subset of NDE could be due to expectations and beliefs of the individuals.
The storys been told a million times,
but it's different when it's your life
A presumptuous claim to make unless one has personally examined all possible alternative conclusions and can show why they are invalid.This can no way be explained away as some sort of residual brain activity.
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So after watching the video I noticed a few things.
1. The man with meningitis claimed he had "virtually" no brain activity. Which mean his brain was active.
They call them NDE's for a reason, because it was almost death- but not quite. You don't come back from death to tell stories.
2. People who did not come close to death, but experienced low blood flow to the brain experienced similar experiences. These two events have two things in common-
A. Neither of these two events involves death.
B. unusual conditions for the brain create unusual events in the brain [NDE’s]
3. Inconsistencies in what happens during "death” Some see God, some don't. The details of the locations always vary. If souls or spirits really existed... wouldn't all observe the same event during their transition?
4. The man with meningitis claims during his NDE he had no recollection of who he was, or memories of his life. Which leads one to conclude that memory is in stored in the brain. Why then does the spirit remember the NDE?
Are you ready? God is dead
Here are a couple of other points to consider.
1. We do not know at what point these visions/dreams occurred during his illness. For all we know they could have occurred at the very beginning of his illness.
2. We do not know how long these visions/dreams took place. For all he knows they could have lasted only a few seconds in real time.
3. The most common symptoms of meningitis are headache, neck stiffness, associated with fever, confusion or altered consciousness.
Oh brother. Have you ever been unconscious finder? Let me tell you, weird things happen in your brain. For me it was extremely pleasant like floating in warm water. I have no doubt some people see god or even talk to god while unconscious.
Why are you so desperate to believe in the christian god? What does god belief do for you? It must fill in for something lacking in your life. You need to believe. Why?
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I have a difficult time swallowing no brain activity whatsoever for seven days and living to tell the tale. That seems a little improbable.
But, even assuming it's true, it doesn't imply anything metaphysical about consciousness. Whether your going hypothesis is that the brain is actually responsible for consciousness, or whether you merely think it's some kind of "receiver" for the spiritual phenomena of consciousness, you must admit that the brain has something to do with consciousness. Therefore, even if you actually think these experiences are real, you have to admit that when the brain has been dead for any amount of time, conscious experiences reported after the fact are sketchy to say the least. You wouldn't trust a patient in a mental hospital who told you they had a vision from God; why should you trust someone whose brain was dead?
It's well known that the brain can fabricate entire memories - create entire experiences that didn't actually happen, filling in the gaps between actual memories when for whatever reason it has lost those memories. Why would it be in any way unreasonable to assume that this might be exactly what the brain is doing when it comes back to life after being dead, when there has obviously been a period of time elapse yet the brain has no memory of it due to not even being functional at the time? Why would it be more reasonable to interpret experiences recounted by people who just lost total brain function as being accurate and real than to assume that a phenomenon we have already discovered and studied which perfectly applies to this situation is at work here?
This entire argument is based on the erroneous assumption that time perceived is real - that if one remembers something occurring in the past, it really must have occurred in the past, or that if it seems like something occurred an hour ago, it couldn't have possibly occurred five minutes ago. But we know the brain does not always measure time accurately, and it's no stretch to conclude that it's simply more likely that the brain either fabricated memories entirely or actually had these experiences, immediately after the brain came back to life, and simply perceived time incorrectly. Either of these, or a combination thereof, seem a perfectly reasonable explanation for this, and far, far more likely than some new, undiscovered phenomena we have no way of testing.
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I'm not desperate. Gives me strength. It gives purpose beyond survival and the accumulation of things. Yes. Because I realized not only the existence of God but also the deep unexplainable love that is his nature.
The nerusergeon who experienced it came to that conclusion and said so in so many words. I'm confident he and his colleagues who monitored him and helped him afterwards examined all relevant hypothesis. And can validate their findings. Whether your predisposition will allow you to believe their conclusions is another story.
Unexplainable, eh? How conveeeeeenient.
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As in no words are sufficient enough. That's all you have to say on a thread that you claim to have personal experience and knowledge? When you have an obe is your consciousness still in your brain? Or is your brain projecting images you think you ought to see and so you really never had an obe?
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