Questions to Christians and Jews

[hosamthebest]

My question to Christians and Jews how do you claim that your bible is holy if your bible tell the opposite itself?

There are missed verses and your bible talk about it? Christians and Jews missed them and they didn't keep good word and save it!

Missed verses:

1- Verse wars of the LORD

Nu:21:14: Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the LORD, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon

2- Verse of jasher

Jos:10:13: And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

3- Verse acts of Solomon

Ki:11:41:1

And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon

4- Verse of Jeremiah lamented for Josiah

Ch:35:25::2


And Jeremiah lamented for Josiah: and all the singing men and the singing women spake of Josiah in their lamentations to this day, and made them an ordinance in Israel: and, behold, they are written in the lamentations.

5- Verse of Josiah


Ch:35:25::2


And Jeremiah lamented for Josiah: and all the singing men and the singing women spake of Josiah in their lamentations to this day, and made them an ordinance in Israel: and, behold, they are written in the lamentations.


6- Verse of Nathan the prophet

2Ch:9:29: Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat


7- Verse of Ahijah the Shilonite


2Ch:9:29: Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat


8- Verse of kings of Israel and Judah

2Ch:27:7: Now the rest of the acts of Jotham, and all his wars, and his ways, lo, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah.


9- Verse of prophet Iddo

2Ch:13:22: And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo.


10- Verse of story of the book of the kings




2Ch:24:27: Now concerning his sons, and the greatness of the burdens laid upon him, and the repairing of the house of God, behold, they are written in the story of the book of the kings. And Amaziah his son reigned in his stead.


12- Verse of sayings of the seers

2Ch:33:19: His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sin, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers.


13- Verse of book of lord

Isa:34:16: Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.


14- Verse of law of god

Jos:24:26: And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God, and took a great stone, and set it up there under an oak, that was by the sanctuary of the LORD.


15- Verse of law of Moses

Jos:8:31: As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.

[hosamthebest]

16- Verse of chronicles

Ne:12:23: The sons of Levi, the chief of the fathers, were written in the book of the chronicles, even until the days of Johanan the son of Eliashib.


17- verse of jesus
2Th:1:8: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:



18- Verse of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world


Re:13:8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


19- Verse of covenant of Moses


Ex:24:6: And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
Ex:24:7: And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.


20- Verse of manner of the kingdom


1Sa:10:25: Then Samuel told the people the manner of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it up before the LORD. And Samuel sent all the people away, every man to his house.


There is 15-20 other missed verses I can mention them if Christians and Jews want but that enough for them for now!

We all know that any book become corrupted if you added or removed or edited something in it so what one of those your bible belong to?

What the meaning of that a good send a book and refer to another book in it and you can't find that book? Do you know that mean that this god is a liar or that god forgot about it or that god is ignorant.

Do you know that mean that bible don't belong to god anymore and god let his words between the hands of people god know that they are not honest. They killed prophets they insulted god with bad words and they described god with bad descriptions.


And god knew that he will send a book and he will protect it

Quran surhat el hajr

15-9

Indeed it is we who sent down the message (the Quran) and indeed we will be its guardian

And Paul admitted it also

1Co:13:9-10

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.


Isn't this is Quran!

[hosamthebest]

How god gives his words to adulterers, thieves and sinful prophets as your bible described them

What is the educational aim that will return to people that will believe in those criminals' prophets? And how do you trust a god with that ignorance with corrupted choices he doesn't know what his creatures will do in future?

Jer:8:10: Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall inherit them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.


Jer:9:3: And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.



Jer:14:14: Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.


Jer:23:11: For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.



Jer:23:13: And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.



Mic:2:11: If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people.


Even your god Jesus said


Joh:10:8: All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.



And who is those prophets? To don't consider what they said from god words!

1- prophet lot fkked his two daughters Genesis 19:30-38

2- Prophet David fkked his neighbor wife and killed his neighbor 2Samuel:11:1-27

3- prophet Aaron worshiped idols Exodus 32:1-6


4- prophet Solomon worshiped idols 1Kings:11:1-13


5- prophet Aahz worshiped idols 2Kings:16:2-4


6- prophet ybraham worshiped idols 1Kings:14:9

7- Great prophet Abraham allowed other people to fkk his wife! Genesis 12:11-16


8- prophet Moses and prophet Aaron deceived god Deuteronomy 32:51

9- roaabeen fkked his father wife Genesis 35:22

10- prophet Jacob wrestled god and beat god rofl ! Genesis 32:22-30

11- prophet Jacob stole prophecy from his brother and he laughed at god and his father Genesis:27

12- Judah fkked his son wife 38: 12-30


13- prophet Yahiya the greatest prophet as Jesus described him didn't know his god when sky split and god spirit came as dove and said this my lovely son ! Matthew 3:13-17

Although this he sent a man to Jesus asking him if he is the person that they are waiting for or they waiting for another Matthew 11:2-3



14- Judah el estrykoti one of the apostle that have miracles and above all the prophets of Israel sold his religion and his god for 30 dirham rofl!


15- prophet keifha issue a fatwa that Jesus is an infidel and he ordered people to kill Jesus and put him on cross do you ever heard that a prophet call his god an infidel and ordered people to kill his god ! So we understand two things from this: keifha isn't a prophet so your bible becomes a lie or Jesus isn't a god!

[hosamthebest]

One of our proofs that your bible isn't god word (not all) that gospels writers put personal views and personal things in your bible and they admitted that this isn't inspired by god.

For example Lu:1:1-4

Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,

Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,


That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.




Look how much corruption and editing was in that time ~!




Paul put very personal views in bible and he admitted that this isn't inspired by your god. So why your church considered that this is inspired by your god? Did you ask your priest about this before? Personal views and personal letters why this considered as inspired by your god and what is the educational aim from it?

1Co:7:38-40

So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better. The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

1Co:7:25-26

Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.


1Co:7:12-13

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.


Ga:5:2: Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.


Paul intended to spend winter in Nicopolis is this inspired by god? What is the educational aim from this and if this is so important why not mentioning where the other students will spend the winter also?

Ti:3:12: When I shall send Artemas unto thee, or Tychicus, be diligent to come unto me to Nicopolis: for I have determined there to winter.

[hosamthebest]

Paul sent a letters with greetings and kisses so god will send a holy book with greetings and kisses?

1Th:5:25-27

Brethren, pray for us Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss... I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren

Ro:16:7: Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
Ro:16:8: Greet Amplias my beloved in the Lord.
Ro:16:9: Salute Urbane, our helper in Christ, and Stachys my beloved.
Ro:16:10: Salute Apelles approved in Christ. Salute them which are of Aristobulus' household.
Ro:16:11: Salute Herodion my kinsman. Greet them that be of the household of Narcissus, which are in the Lord.
Ro:16:12: Salute Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord. Salute the beloved Persis, which laboured much in the Lord.
Ro:16:13: Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.
Ro:16:14: Salute Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermas, Patrobas, Hermes, and the brethren which are with them.
Ro:16:15: Salute Philologus, and Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints which are with them.
Ro:16:16: Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.



Do you really think what Paul was wearing is too important to make god inspired this to him!


2Tm:4:11-14

Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:...



Ro:3:7:

For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?


Look how Paul offend god? Are really god need lies to spread his word? God can't spread his words and his glory trustfully and honestly he needs lies to spread them? And how can you trust a deceiver god like this if what Paul said is really inspired by your god?

Yea sure Paul was inspired this by god!

[hosamthebest]

Why students judged Paul as a sinner and they sent who fix Paul corrupted beliefs

Ac:21:20: And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
Ac:21:21: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
Ac:21:22: What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.
Ac:21:23: Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;
Ac:21:24: Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
Ac:21:25: As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
Ac:21:26: Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
Ac:21:27: And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,
Ac:21:28: Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.
Ac:21:29: (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
Ac:21:30: And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.
Ac:21:31: And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.
Ac:21:32: Who immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down unto them: and when they saw the chief captain and the soldiers, they left beating of Paul.


And they didn't let him enter between people


Ac:19:30: And when Paul would have entered in unto the people, the disciples suffered him not.


So dear Christian who know Jesus religion better students or Paul who never saw Jesus?

[hosamthebest]

Do you know you Christian who choose your holy books? And what were his manners and what right he has to do this? And how did they do this?

Do you know that your church in the past collected all the books and selected books that suit with your church beliefs only and called them holy books and the other books they called them heretics

Do you really believe that those priests that choose from your different holy books and verses and even people that inspired by your god have a higher degree than prophets? And if yes why god didn't made them prophets instead of all those bad prophets in your bible? Its rare to read about a prophet has good manners in your prophets. And if your prophets are that bad how can you trust people with lower degree.


Do you know you Christian that the leader of nekiea meeting Constantine was idols worshiper and he turned to Christianity 18 day before his death only? and on that meeting they choose all your holy books. Idols worshiper was leader of that meeting! Do you realize the size of that disaster?

When you read the decisions of that nekiea meeting you will get shocked is this logical that they refuse the bible of marry and accept the bible of Luke. Is this logical they refuse Jesus messages and the 12 student's bible and accept Paul bible and his messages!

Do you know that 1730 priests and popes 84.5% rejected the decisions of that meeting about banning the doctrine of Arius that Jesus is just a prophet?

And only 318 priests 15% supported the idea that Jesus is a god and he died on the cross for people sins!

So what the meaning that 85% from priests didn't accept that Jesus is god?

Wake up!

[hosamthebest]

I spent 6 hours yesterday to write this and it was for a debate against an catholic Lebanese priest in civilized Arabic discussion forum. He escaped from the debate. I doubt even Christian's pope and Jews highest rabbi will dare to answer this.

Anyway I will wait for few days until I get an answer and I won't ask more questions

[Darklordabc]

I highly doubt you spent 6 hours doing this, more like 6 seconds copying & pasting.

[hosamthebest]

I highly doubt you spent 6 hours doing this, more like 6 seconds copying & pasting.

i will challenge you to post something like this ever got posted before

its all done by me

it only posted by me on arab civilized discussion , topix and here

you can confirm this from my name and my avater haha

the only places that i post in

don't worry i debate since i was 16 years old its an easy job for me

[Questatement]

Paul put very personal views in bible and he admitted that this isn't inspired by your god. So why your church considered that this is inspired by your god? Did you ask your priest about this before? Personal views and personal letters why this considered as inspired by your god and what is the educational aim from it?

I am having trouble with most of what you posted as far as understanding exactly what the point of debate is but this one seems clear enough so I'll respond.

When Paul says something to the effect of, "This is my opinion, not the Lords... " wouldn't that indicate that without this particular disclaimer, Paul considered everything else that he wrote inspired by God and not self? Also, even believing that the text as a whole is inspired by God, why would I ignore the plain reading of that inspired (true, reliable, etc.) text when it say, "Hey buddy, this part is NOT inspired"?

[Layman]

And Paul admitted it also

1Co:13:9-10

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.


Isn't this is Quran!

if the bible is so corrupt why do you use it to address the quran?
1. Not all Christians believe that Christ is god, but a son of god, call him an angel if you will sent down to give himself for man.
2. Are not all these Prophets that you critizie also mentioned and exhaluted in the quran?
3. when ya bring up "all the prophets before me were false (or whatever words your using) " so if im getting this right each new prophet always addressed the people saying that the past prophets were false....does the quran not do this also?
4. The bottom line is that Conservative Jews, Christians, and Muslims forget that you are all brothers of the same faith. But for some reason that doesn't matter, it doesn't matter that you kill people that believe in the same god as you do, it doesn't matter that Jews and Muslims fight over a temple that was built for the same god the believe in. The bottom line is that Jews , christian and Muslims are the ones currputing the faiths of each other, all of you are disgracing god, all of you are nothing but sinners, but keep holding your books above one another, and keep fighting and killing each other....maybe that gods plan to get rid of all of you that disgrace yourselves and god and mankind for whose words are more true.....all are hyppocrates....may god have mercy on all of Jews, Christians and Muslims souls.