If Israel goes to war with Iran should we join in?

[Technosoul]

Israel and Iran are exchanging theats, Israel claims Iran has declared war. If they go to war with each other should the USA help Israel out or should we stay the heck out their war?

[westcoastdog]

I think Israel should ask Iran, "Have you declared war on us?" This question should be posed at the UN to make it official. Make the Persians put up or shut up. It's a win-win question for the Israelis.

[jose]

If this war kicks off the US i going to need a lot more boots on the ground, which will mean a draft so will you join in? if Israel or America uses nuclear weapons the third world war will kick off with USA, israel verses the rest of the world

[samsara15]

I don't think we could safely stay completely out of it, if such a war occurs. We'd have to do our best to get it over with ASAP, before war broke out everywhere in the Middle East.

[shrike]

There will be no war.The UN rethoric doesnt count a lot of thing said during the UNSC deliberations..

[westcoastdog]

So far Iran has engaged in hostile diatribes against Israel without committing itself to any specific actions. They are like the bully who try to get their buddies to their dirty work.

"Face" is important in the Muslim/Arab world, and this is the reason Israel should ask Iran directly at the UN as to their intentions. I would assume that Iran would respond in some circuitous, vague way that would fall short of any kind of commitment. If Iran is stupid enough to say "yes," then it allows Israel to respond freely to a direct threat. Also an affirmative answer would compel Europe to seriously consider and adopt an economic boycott. Russia and China would also have to step back from this rogue nation.

If Iran backs off and states that it will not declare war, then their denounciations will be considered as hot air. In the Muslim world it will have lost face, and become a target of redicule.

Israel should call Iran's bluff.

[tman_ndsu08]

Stay out of it.


No way in hell do we sacrafice good young American men so the Jews can live where they think they ought to.



Let the Jew's do their own dirty work.

[jacko]

i dont think that usa should help i think that they should try to stop the war with all there might but i dont think that they will as i have said in other placers i think that the us is triger happy and will join in even just as a bit of fun have the jews ever had a chance to live happerly in one place why dont both countrys give up a bit of land on the border to let the jews rule and stop all this fighting and tention that realy has been going on for genorations

[Technosoul]

Quote by: jacko i dont think that usa should help i think that they should try to stop the war with all there might but i dont think that they will as i have said in other placers i think that the us is triger happy and will join in even just as a bit of fun have the jews ever had a chance to live happerly in one place why dont both countrys give up a bit of land on the border to let the jews rule and stop all this fighting and tention that realy has been going on for genorations

Good idea, we can set an example for them by giving up So California so that the Mexicans can have a little more room to set up camp here in America. After all they had to suffer attacks from Spain and Dave Crockett for generations. And we could give up Fla so that Cubans can do the same. When the Palestinians see how compassionate we are, they no doubt will do the same.

[jose]

So far Israel has engaged in hostile diatribes against Iran without committing itself to any specific actions. They are like the bully who try to get their buddies to their dirty work.

"Face" is important in the world, and this is the reason Iran should ask Israel directly at the UN as to their intentions. I would assume that Israel would respond in some circuitous, vague way that would fall short of any kind of commitment. If Israel is stupid enough to say "yes," then it allows Iran to respond freely to a direct threat. Also an affirmative answer would compel Europe to seriously consider and adopt an economic boycott. Russia and China would also have to step back from this rogue nation.

If Israel backs off and states that it will not declare war, then their denunciations will be considered as hot air. In the world it will have lost face, and become a target of ridicule.

Iran should call Israel's bluff.

[Technosoul]

This poll is now showing what amounts to a tie.

The majority of the possible selections however would be aiding Israel in some way, shape, or form.

Meanwhile Iran is not making any threats of starting a first strike war.

Unless someone has something else to add in contradiction here is what Iran is guilty of saying.

The quotes I am listing are based on my memory of news stories.

"We are joining the nuclear nations and are going to develope nuclear energy for peaceful purposes only".

"We now have tested a new missle that can hit far away targets - the warhead can split to strike three different targets with each missle used, the warheads are conventional".

"We are going to give the Palestinians billions in humanitarian aid".

"If the West attempts to stop our nuclear energy program that will put a hatred in the hearts fo Iranians, towards the West, forever".

"If anyone attacks us, we will cut their heads off".

"The suicide bombing on Israel was an act of self defense".

Meanwhile a guy running for governer here in California has an ad on TV saying " I sued Bush to stop give aways to big oil, money that he was taking away from our schools".

Hey, that is how they get popular votes, stand up to big bad Bush. They do it in Iran and they do it here in USA politics. Election time - Rumage sales - aka - Rumsfield sold out.

but what is pure poltical yak yak, and how much of it should we worry about?

[Technosoul]

SUGGESTION - Iran is getting poor press, they should fire their press agent and try another guy. (Just like Bush is doing).

[westcoastdog]

Senior Jose,

Which newspapers have you been reading or haven't been reading? Can you cite any news reports in which Israel threatens to wipe Iran off the map? Maybe you're one of the anti-semites who believe the holocaust never happened like your buddy Almadinajad?

Iran is a rogue nation and does not respect international law. Can you cite any other country that has held hostage members of a foreign embassy? The fact that Iran is enriching uranium is a violation of their interenational agreements.

[patriotsACT]

Israel would kick ass. Its best for us to keep at a distance for 2 reasons.

1- We dont have the troops to do it. We would need a draft. People have often tried to link, or compare the war in Iraq to WW2. Of course they have NOTHING in common. But if we went to war to help Isreal with Iran... Well, Iran wouldnt be the only country we have to fight with. And I am not talking about Iraq or Afganistan. So some REAL sacrafices would have to be made by the American public. They would have to sacrafice that cushy life they cling to so desperately. They would have to see their kids go without choice, they would have to ration gas, metals, food, the list goes on. And where would we get the military equipment from? We dont have the manufacturing capability left in this country to build up like we did in WW2. Its all been outsourced. I suppose we could buy tanks and weapons from China....

2- Israel already said. If they are attacked in all out war, or nuked, that this time it will be Samson. They call it the Samson option.

"Should war break out in the Middle East again and should the Syrians and the Egyptians break through again as they did in 1973 [Yom Kippur War], or should any Arab nation fire missiles again at Israel, as Iraq did [in the 1991 Gulf War], a nuclear escalation, once unthinkable except as a last resort, would now be a strong possibility."

As you know, Samson scraficed himself to destroy his enemies.
So in other words, the whole area around and in Israel will be one big hot bed of radiation.

[patriotsACT]

Quote by: Technosoul Good idea, we can set an example for them by giving up So California so that the Mexicans can have a little more room to set up camp here in America. After all they had to suffer attacks from Spain and Dave Crockett for generations. And we could give up Fla so that Cubans can do the same. When the Palestinians see how compassionate we are, they no doubt will do the same.

90% of the Mexicans living in Mexico are of Spanish decent. Just as most Americans are of European decent. Hence they speak spanish. Hence they look like spanish people. Its because they are Spanish. In Mexico there are also indigenous indians. The Spanish Mexicans (the majority) persecute the indians whom lived there first. They are racist toward them and half breed Mexican/Indians.

When the illegals come here saying: "Go back to Europe, Pilgrim!" They are completely out of line. They don't belong here, OR there. Anymore than we do.

I know it was off subject, but i had to comment.

[Athena]

Quote by: westcoastdog Senior Jose, Which newspapers have you been reading or haven't been reading? Can you cite any news reports in which Israel threatens to wipe Iran off the map? Maybe you're one of the anti-semites who believe the holocaust never happened like your buddy Almadinajad? Iran is a rogue nation and does not respect international law. Can you cite any other country that has held hostage members of a foreign embassy? The fact that Iran is enriching uranium is a violation of their interenational agreements.

How about the US introduced nuclear weapons to the mid east by giving them to Israel. Who makes the international aggreements? This is an exclusive club and not all nations are in it. Had, the US not introduced nuclear weapons into this area, if it had not really blown it in Iran, leading the hostege situation, if it had not repeatedly blocked the Palestinian request for UN peace keepers, we might not be where we are today.

It seems essential to the Jewish character to be victims. Like they were the only victims in the world. Unfortunately, Christianity has done its part in establishing Jews as victims, but Muslims did not, until this Zionist thing came up. The Zionist have an independent Israel, because they threw the British out, so let them handle their battles. It is kind of like a teenager running away from home and getting into trouble, and trying to get the parents to help, while refusing to give up the freedom to do as one pleases.

But then the US and British have made so many bad decisions, there aren't good ones at the time. They have supported very bad leaders in these countries as long as they got what they wanted, and they have prevented these countries from coming together and being a united force, hoping to keep them separate and controlable. It is terrible that common citizens have not paid attention to what their government has done and why.
Reagan lied to us when he said we didn't need to conserve oil, and granted arms to the mid east. Now is the children who have to wars built on his lying. All our leaders have failed humanity.

[brien]

Quote by: Technosoul Israel and Iran are exchanging theats, Israel claims Iran has declared war. If they go to war with each other should the USA help Israel out or should we stay the heck out their war?

To quote technosoul: we stay the heck out their war

[Milton Bradley]

You shoulod have included choice number 5," Do We Have A Choice?"


Sadly, the American average citizen doesn't have a lot of say on foreign policy.

[shrike]

How about the US introduced nuclear weapons to the mid east by giving them to Israel. Who makes the international aggreements? This is an exclusive club and not all nations are in it. Had, the US not introduced nuclear weapons into this area, if it had not really blown it in Iran, leading the hostege situation, if it had not repeatedly blocked the Palestinian request for UN peace keepers, we might not be where we are today. It seems essential to the Jewish character to be victims. Like they were the only victims in the world. Unfortunately, Christianity has done its part in establishing Jews as victims, but Muslims did not, until this Zionist thing came up. The Zionist have an independent Israel, because they threw the British out, so let them handle their battles. It is kind of like a teenager running away from home and getting into trouble, and trying to get the parents to help, while refusing to give up the freedom to do as one pleases. But then the US and British have made so many bad decisions, there aren't good ones at the time. They have supported very bad leaders in these countries as long as they got what they wanted, and they have prevented these countries from coming together and being a united force, hoping to keep them separate and controlable. It is terrible that common citizens have not paid attention to what their government has done and why. Reagan lied to us when he said we didn't need to conserve oil, and granted arms to the mid east. Now is the children who have to wars built on his lying. All our leaders have failed humanity.

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You should learn some history before entering debate about geopolitics.For starters US has nothing to do with Israel having nuclear reactor.

[jose]

Quote by: westcoastdog Senior Jose, (señor) Which newspapers have you been reading or haven't been reading? Can you cite any news reports in which Israel threatens to wipe Iran off the map? Maybe you're one of the anti-semites who believe the holocaust never happened like your buddy Almadinajad? Iran is a rogue nation and does not respect international law. Can you cite any other country that has held hostage members of a foreign embassy? The fact that Iran is enriching uranium is a violation of their interenational agreements.

well I don't read ¨fox news¨ :)
The Japanese embassy hostage crisis began on December 17, 1996 in Lima, Peru,
The American Embassy was taken over by the Rebels during the revolution Against the American puppet regime of the Shah
Israel Threatens Iran http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=94212
Iran insists that its nuclear intentions are peaceful, while pointing at its enemy's alleged nuclear arsenal, which Israel neither confirms nor denies possessing. Dimona, in the Negev desert, is allegedly where Israel produces weapons-grade plutonium for its estimated 200 nuclear warheads. http://www.dawn.com/2004/08/19/top17.htm
Israel threatens strikes on Iranian nuclear targets http://news.scotsman.com/internation...?id=1292472003

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
snip: the right to peacefully use nuclear technology
Since very few of the nuclear weapons states and states using nuclear reactions for energy generation are willing to completely abandon possession of nuclear fuel, the third pillar of the NPT provides other states with the possibility to do the same, but under conditions intended to make it difficult to develop nuclear weapons.

For some states, this third pillar of the NPT, which allows uranium enrichment for fuel reasons, seems to be a major loophole. However, the treaty gives every state the inalienable right to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, and as the commercially popular light water reactor nuclear power station designs use enriched uranium fuel, it follows that states must be allowed to enrich uranium or purchase it on an international market. Peaceful uranium enrichment can arguably be considered a small step away from developing nuclear warheads, and this can be done by withdrawing from the NPT. No state is known to have successfully constructed a nuclear weapon in secret while subjected to NPT inspection. However, according to many sources, Israel has succeeded in developing over two hundred nuclear warheads without having been questioned or investigated by the UN Security Council
Three states - India, Pakistan, and Israel - have declined to sign the treaty
Iran is a signatory state of the NPT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...eration_Treaty

by Ahmadinejad : Iranian Army not a threat to any country
http://www.president.ir/eng/

Can you cite any news reports in which Ahmadinejad threatens to wipe Israel off the map? and a link?

Quote by: westcoastdog ¨Maybe you're one of the anti-semites who believe the holocaust never happened¨

well i´m not a pro-Semite, who comes first for you Israel or the USA?