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[patriotsACT]

Sen. Mccain says he will pay you $50.00 an hour to pick lettuce in AZ. He is offering this because he knows the work is too hard for you to do. That you Americans cant do it.

Heres a link to an application which will be delivered to Mr. Mccain by hand.

Apply here.

Please pass it on to everyone you know who needs a job, or wants a better job.

Thanks.

[PatrickHenry]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/mccain_bo...JlYmhvBHNlYwM-

he took more questions, including a pointed one on his immigration plan. McCain responded by saying immigrants were taking jobs nobody else wanted. He offered anybody in the crowd $50 an hour to pick lettuce in Arizona. Shouts of protest rose from the crowd, with some accepting McCain's job offer. "I'll take it!" one man shouted. McCain insisted none of them would do such menial labor for a complete season. "You can't do it, my friends." Some in the crowd said they didn't appreciate McCain questioning their work ethic.

What? There's no American Mexicans who need $50 an hour? (UnPC joke...)

[Scribbler1]

Let McCain give that guy the $50 per hr to do it and then LET him pick the lettuce (does AZ even HAVE a lettuce crop?). After that let's see if we have an argument. If he didn't mean to go through it he should have kept his mouth shut.

Bullshit like that is starting to taint McCain in my eyes. Just another politician.

[patriotsACT]

At this point in our Country's short history it seems thats all they are. I am not even sure any of them give a crap about our Country or It's peoples.

[rmnunez]

Farm workers are paid by the bushel, pound, crate or bucket of whatever they are harvesting, its not an hourly. When the day is done, the poor, undocumented Mexican stoop laborer earns between 15 and 20 dollars a day.

This isn't combine harvester engineer operator work, there are no breaks, you have to use your arms, no accomodations and its outdoors.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: patriotsACT At this point in our Country's short history it seems thats all they are. I am not even sure any of them give a crap about our Country or It's peoples.

They pander to whoever can do them the most good, and that ain't the people they supposedly reprsent. All they want from us is our vote and our silence.

[Zeebadee]

As a Navy pilot, I had the utmost respect for McCain. Since he turned politician, let's just say that he's fallen considerably. I wonder which job he's gotten the most personal satisfaction from.

[Scribbler1]

Seems to me the Senate never imprisoned and tortured him so I'd say it was kind of a no-brainer.

[Boetie]

Instead of McCain's offer, what if the agriculture industry paid 50 dollars an hour for any work ie, picking lettuce, green beans, tomatoes, oranges, etc, etc. Does anyone actually think Americans will turn down those jobs?

I don't think so. Working a forty hour week for fiftytwo weeks at 50 dollars an hour will give you a yearly gross income of 104,000 dollars and that ain't chicken feed.

[Scribbler1]

McCain was really just illustrating his point that we Americans refuse to do stoop labor. $50 per hour isn't realistic. But he ought to put his money where his mouth is anyway. Offer $15-16 an hour to pick lettuce and I think he will get all the American workers he needs.
But an illegal alien will not only work for a LOT less, his employer is also not required to provide any benefits, pay into the unemployment fund or pay ANY taxes on that employee. The employer can also skirt laws that require breaks after a certain number of hours worked, insurance against employee injury and he doesn't need to comply with OSHA rules or overtime regulations.
Many employers in this country pay a LOT more than just wages. They don't need to with illegals.

[patriotsACT]

Quote by: Scribbler1 McCain was really just illustrating his point that we Americans refuse to do stoop labor. $50 per hour isn't realistic. But he ought to put his money where his mouth is anyway. Offer $15-16 an hour to pick lettuce and I think he will get all the American workers he needs. But an illegal alien will not only work for a LOT less, his employer is also not required to provide any benefits, pay into the unemployment fund or pay ANY taxes on that employee. The employer can also skirt laws that require breaks after a certain number of hours worked, insurance against employee injury and he doesn't need to comply with OSHA rules or overtime regulations. Many employers in this country pay a LOT more than just wages. They don't need to with illegals.

EXACTLY. And you have to count in that many of the illegals leave again or send the un-taxed cash back to family in Mexico. So most of the time it never returns into our economy the way it should. So here is the American worker. Getting paid $8-9.00 an hour. (Thats a good paying labor job btw.) Yet this worker lives in America, pays taxes, buys the crazy gas prices year round, and has the other living expenses that come with living in America legally. To shorten it up, the illegal coming in and working for $4.00 an hour prolly makes out better at the end of the season than an American citizen playing by the rules. And THAT is why American workers dont want to work for that low of a wage. Because you CANT LIVE on that kind of a wage. Trust me, I know first hand. I am hungry, my car is shit and I cannot afford to buy a new one, or fix my junk one for that matter. If it wasnt for my Grandfather owning a small apartment house.. My family would be homeless.
And to add to that these employers are greedy to start with, and it only gets worse with the more money they get. If they bring in anyone and let them work for a rediculously low wage like that it will, no, it has driven down wages for the people of this country. And FYI, the people of this country are NOT the few and the filthy rich. They are the average Joe's and Jane's you see everyday. The guy behind the counter, the driver of the delivery truck, the roofer, the builder, the digger and the other laborers.
There will be only one way to fix this. The American apathy and complancency must die. And like the Phoenix, a Patriot must rise from the ashes. A real patriot. DEMANDING representation and fair and equal treatment. Demand the right to pursue happiness. And that is something that seems far too out of reach for far too many of our average daily citizens.

[Osborn F Enready]

patriotsACT said: And you have to count in that many of the illegals leave again or send the un-taxed cash back to family in Mexico. So most of the time it never returns into our economy the way it should.

I say:
A great point that most of the democrats and republicans REFUSE to admit.

Americans who work for any wage, directly return a large portion of that wage to OUR ECONOMY, which is the fuel with which our nation and economy stay alive. That is natural wealth redistribution by the ONLY excusable form, which is voluntary INDIVIDUAL wealth redistribution for GOOD OR SERVICES in exchange for money. That is trade, and what our nations economy, and system are built on. Individual freedom and ability to trade without government interference FOR ITS CITIZENS. So what constitutes a citizen? A born or naturalized individual, as per our laws. An illegal that is here working to earn AMERICAN dollars, for services performed, yet NOT paying into the economy AS ALL OTHER AMERICANS, is defrauding the system with regards to taxation, and socialist safety net programs forced payments. ( I don't think these system, or various form of taxation are constitutional, but never-the-less, if American citizens have to pay into them, ALL WORKERS should be held to the same bar of oppression if ONLY for the sakes of a FAIR AND BALANCED PLAYING FIELD )

Our system is dependent on our nations workers "reinvesting" in our nation through purchasing power and business creation. Illegal immigrants attack on both fronts, while at the same time indirectly lowering wages and standards ACCEPTED by industry.

patriotsACT said: If they bring in anyone and let them work for a rediculously low wage like that it will, no, it has driven down wages for the people of this country

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I say:
Very true, and quite obvious to anyone who actually looks at the facts.

patriotsACT said: They are the average Joe's and Jane's you see everyday. The guy behind the counter, the driver of the delivery truck, the roofer, the builder, the digger and the other laborers.

I say:
In other words, "LABOR" positions of both the manufacturing and service industries. All "blue collar" jobs.

patriotsACT said: There will be only one way to fix this. The American apathy and complancency must die.

I say:
AHHH HA!!!

Now you are on to something. So how do you propose to remove the bi-partisan monopoly that has plagued this nation for 156 years STRAIGHT? The same monopoly that has overseen and regulated all rights of the individuals, through partisan placement of appointment positions in the courts, and ALL LEVELS of government from local to FEDERAL government. ALL branches, Executive, Legislative, and JUDICIAL, have been overtaken by a bi-partisan agenda, that is one and the same, with two puppet heads that tell different stories, but march to the same tune.

Welcome to the plight of the Libertarian Party, the Free State Project(s), the FIJA and all Americans who value liberty AND justice for ALL.

FIJA:
http://www.fija.org/fijafacts.htm

Free State Project:
http://www.freestateproject.org/

National Libertarian Party:
http://www.lp.org/
http://www.asun.unr.edu/clubs/clib/history.htm

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: patriotsACT Sen. Mccain says he will pay you $50.00 an hour to pick lettuce in AZ. He is offering this because he knows the work is too hard for you to do. That you Americans cant do it. Heres a link to an application which will be delivered to Mr. Mccain by hand. Apply here. Please pass it on to everyone you know who needs a job, or wants a better job. Thanks.

speaking from 8 years of experience in the produce business (family business) it isn't that Americans CAN'T do it, it's that they are too lazy to get off their rumps and do it.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: rmnunez Farm workers are paid by the bushel, pound, crate or bucket of whatever they are harvesting, its not an hourly. When the day is done, the poor, undocumented Mexican stoop laborer earns between 15 and 20 dollars a day. This isn't combine harvester engineer operator work, there are no breaks, you have to use your arms, no accomodations and its outdoors.

or in Florida, a bin of it, because a box is way too easy. I could go pick a bushel of oranges in under 5 minutes off of most trees.

[Osborn F Enready]

dthmstr said: speaking from 8 years of experience in the produce business (family business) it isn't that Americans CAN'T do it, it's that they are too lazy to get off their rumps and do it.

I say:
BS.

They can't LIVE at an ACCEPTABLE LEVEL to justify the output of labor for the amount of return, mainly thanks to government market manipulation, and subsidies.

You are so jaded.....and in denial at that.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: dthmstr254 speaking from 8 years of experience in the produce business (family business) it isn't that Americans CAN'T do it, it's that they are too lazy to get off their rumps and do it.

It's that, in order to make as much money as possible the companies hire people who don't mind having three generations in the same house with 4-5 people working just to pay the bills. We as Americans would work our asses off for what used to be called "the American Dream" of owning our own home with maybe 2 parents and a few kids thrown in. The American Dream is now heading for the garbage because some businesses want it all and they tell the people who MADE them profitable to begin with to go to hell.

[PatrickHenry]

If illegal immigrants were not available for the labor to harvest produce, the market for labor would create jobs that Americans WOULD fill.

Would food prices rise? Undoubtedly. But agricultural labor isn't the most important cost in the price of food. Anyone have any statistics on the cost of ag labor as a percentage of retail grocery costs?

[Osborn F Enready]

Patrick said: If illegal immigrants were not available for the labor to harvest produce, the market for labor would create jobs that Americans WOULD fill.

I say:
EXACTLY.

If Americans weren't filling jobs, technology for things like "robots" used in assembly lines would have been applied to these jobs, INSTEAD of being used to remove good paying labor jobs, where PROFIT ALLOWED higher paid labor.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I say: BS. They can't LIVE at an ACCEPTABLE LEVEL to justify the output of labor for the amount of return, mainly thanks to government market manipulation, and subsidies. You are so jaded.....and in denial at that.

tell that to my dad, who made more than enough running his own small produce business as our only source of income. I say this because I lived in a family that worked for what we got. if you want to check it out, go to Beaver Street in Jacksonville and ask about the business Nesmith Produce. I will guarantee that anybody in the fruit market will know of it. we lived in Argyle Forest, which isn't rich neighborhood, but it is above average for a produce salesman with three kids and one source of income. how do I live in denial if I have personally lived through what it is like to be supported by such means? if I were living in denial, I would say that I never worked in an assistant managerial status in that business, and never went to Hale Farms and H&S Produce for oranges. I have been in the fields, I have worked in produce business. you are the one that is in denial.

[Osborn F Enready]

dthmstr said: how do I live in denial if I have personally lived through what it is like to be supported by such means?

I say:
Because you ASSUME since YOU did it, ANYONE can. Part of the reason for that success of your example, is probably due to the better produce or service YOUR company provided as opposed to supermarket, subsidized, national produce.

I commend your famillies success, but to say it is either COMMON or POSSIBLE for any or all to do it is simply untrue.

Hence, my contention of denial.

Dthmstr said: I have worked in produce business. you are the one that is in denial.

I say:
Are you saying one must partake and take part in something to understand it? Studying can not accomplish the same goal or a better goal of understanding?

Are you denying that your case is rare, on a national scale?