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[Athena]

Quote by: patriotsACT Sen. Mccain says he will pay you $50.00 an hour to pick lettuce in AZ. He is offering this because he knows the work is too hard for you to do. That you Americans cant do it. Heres a link to an application which will be delivered to Mr. Mccain by hand. Apply here. Please pass it on to everyone you know who needs a job, or wants a better job. Thanks.

Thank you. I passed on this job application to everyone I think might be interested. We might able to pool our money for a truck and gas to get to lettuce feilds.

[Athena]

Quote by: Zeebadee As a Navy pilot, I had the utmost respect for McCain. Since he turned politician, let's just say that he's fallen considerably. I wonder which job he's gotten the most personal satisfaction from.

Wow, so that is how we fell? Now I understand why we deserve to be punished! We were all politicians in heaven, and fell out of heaven to earth to be punished.

[Athena]

Quote by: Boetie Instead of McCain's offer, what if the agriculture industry paid 50 dollars an hour for any work ie, picking lettuce, green beans, tomatoes, oranges, etc, etc. Does anyone actually think Americans will turn down those jobs? I don't think so. Working a forty hour week for fiftytwo weeks at 50 dollars an hour will give you a yearly gross income of 104,000 dollars and that ain't chicken feed.

The job is even better than I thought! I didn't realize lettuce of any combinations of foods could be harvested for 52 weeks. Hot damn, I am packing up the family now. With all the kids we can put to work, we will come out of this real good in a years time.

Ah does Arizona have home schooling? We can shout math problems and other lessons while harvesting the crops.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I say: Because you ASSUME since YOU did it, ANYONE can. Part of the reason for that success of your example, is probably due to the better produce or service YOUR company provided as opposed to supermarket, subsidized, national produce. I commend your famillies success, but to say it is either COMMON or POSSIBLE for any or all to do it is simply untrue. Hence, my contention of denial.

it is possible for the average American to get off his rump and do some honest work.

I say: Are you saying one must partake and take part in something to understand it? Studying can not accomplish the same goal or a better goal of understanding? Are you denying that your case is rare, on a national scale?

I am saying that if we got off our *** and did something instead of sitting around doing nothing, my case would not be rare. it has been done countless times. people have worked that way since before your grandmother was alive, and before then too. honest work never changed, our society did. our society is so much into this instant everything stage that many have fallen and can't get up. do some work for once you bums.

[Osborn F Enready]

Dthmstr said: it is possible for the average American to get off his rump and do some honest work

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I say:
What is YOUR definition of "HONEST" work? Working for a dole, or the promise of a possibility of a handout? Please....

If a person can't earn a living, it is a "second job" at best. That is the reason there aren't many AMERICAN farmhands. Not many Americans will go out and work a SECOND job that is hard labor if their first job is ALSO hard labor, and both pay out of proportion the actual LABOR being performed.

Dthmstr said: I am saying that if we got off our *** and did something instead of sitting around doing nothing, my case would not be rare. it has been done countless times. people have worked that way since before your grandmother was alive, and before then too. honest work never changed, our society did. our society is so much into this instant everything stage that many have fallen and can't get up. do some work for once you bums.

I say:
You call people names from behind the security of a keyboard and relative anonymity.... that is sad. But besides that, point the finger where it SHOULD LAY, which is where the proof is, which is GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION into market manipulation.

Is it the peoples fault if they have been misled, and all news sources were nothing but propaganda?

[rmnunez]

You remark on the wages, I suspect its about $2,50 an hour for a stoop laborer by the time you work it out, you can find out easily, just join the crowd of Mexicans at the outskirts waiting for a ride, a plumber or sheetrocker might do a bit better, its under $8.00 no matter what. United statians would work for $8 an hour, not many, but there are some. Maybe the government could make menial work a condition for welfare eligibility and use at least the first million beneficiaries to displace captured undocumenteds, but these are not jobs anyone aspires to or seeks, there aren't promotions and vast sums to be made.

Then we get into what the undocumenteds do with the $10 daily bucks made, getting by in the gabacho. Gas, food, rent, clothes, shoes, phone calls are all in dollars and there has to be something for the family back home. They live on the fringe, there is no welfare, no food stamps, no relief if you are ill or when the weather is off. But they sent back of $23 billion last year and remitances are on the uptick, close to $10 thousand apiece.

True, these funds are denied the united statian tax, instead they go to Mexico and fortunately in the hands of some of the country's poorest. Ingenously, the Mexican government has instituted all sorts of financing arrangements like the famous "3 x1" where they give you $3 for each dollar contributed which has any social benefit (like a store or shop). Everyone is working hard to reduce the transaction fees, all sorts of governmental agencies are getting into this business, tax exemptions and subsidies available. This is probably the most effective way to spur development at the source.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready . I say: What is YOUR definition of "HONEST" work? Working for a dole, or the promise of a possibility of a handout? Please.... If a person can't earn a living, it is a "second job" at best. That is the reason there aren't many AMERICAN farmhands. Not many Americans will go out and work a SECOND job that is hard labor if their first job is ALSO hard labor, and both pay out of proportion the actual LABOR being performed.

that isn't what I see. my dad could name five farmers out of the six he went to in Florida that hired only American citizens. they were pretty big places (Hale Farms who used to supply Winn-Dixie, H&S, who used to supply Publix). I state again, good honest work is work that is productive. sitting in an office filling out a spot on the sheet that could go to some person with disabilities does not count for a man under 35 years old. either get your butt in college or in a good working job. at least in a job like I had you have optimal job security.

I say: You call people names from behind the security of a keyboard and relative anonymity.... that is sad. But besides that, point the finger where it SHOULD LAY, which is where the proof is, which is GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION into market manipulation. Is it the peoples fault if they have been misled, and all news sources were nothing but propaganda?

not exactly, I linked my blogging website which has pics of me. secondly, you have mentioned market manipulation, and it should be in some things, such as drugs and the like. produce, well, I won't buy California oranges because the state requires them to be gassed and colored to be consumed. I eat fruit that is meant to taste good more than look good.

[Osborn F Enready]

Oh, I guess you are everybodies Daddy since you know what is best for us all eh?

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Oh, I guess you are everybodies Daddy since you know what is best for us all eh?

I'm a little put off by his blanket put down of "do some work for once you bums."

[Mia]

Quote by: rmnunez Farm workers are paid by the bushel, pound, crate or bucket of whatever they are harvesting, its not an hourly. When the day is done, the poor, undocumented Mexican stoop laborer earns between 15 and 20 dollars a day. This isn't combine harvester engineer operator work, there are no breaks, you have to use your arms, no accomodations and its outdoors.

I think those people are amazing to do what they do for what they get paid, and many send money home to their family on top of it.

I do think it's true the majority of Americans would not do that, but the $50 an hour thing is extreme. He's trying to say that even if it paid a worthwhile wage, Americans would not do the work and I don't believe that's true.

There are a lot of Americans working in hard jobs, under less than ideal conditions, for $10-$20/hour.

It is true that most won't for minimum wage. There are a ton of homeless people milling about everywhere in Phoenix, and they won't take the day labor offered for $5.15. One man I know personally will not work for less than $10 after taxes (or I should say with no taxes) so he takes cash jobs painting or working on cars or whatever he can find. But only rarely will he spend a day at $5.15. Even if it means sleeping outside.

[Scribbler1]

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[Mia]

Quote by: patriotsACT Sen. Mccain says he will pay you $50.00 an hour to pick lettuce in AZ. He is offering this because he knows the work is too hard for you to do. That you Americans cant do it. Heres a link to an application which will be delivered to Mr. Mccain by hand. Apply here. Please pass it on to everyone you know who needs a job, or wants a better job. Thanks.

Who created this application and are they really getting to the senator?

[Osborn F Enready]

Mia said: One man I know personally will not work for less than $10 after taxes (or I should say with no taxes) so he takes cash jobs painting or working on cars or whatever he can find. But only rarely will he spend a day at $5.15. Even if it means sleeping outside

I say:
Damn, sounds like me.

I can do better with the time than I can the 5 bucks an hour.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Oh, I guess you are everybodies Daddy since you know what is best for us all eh?

you know that a person who works in a produce market has less chance of adverse health effects than does an office worker? why is this? there is a three-fold reason:

1.) dietary impact of produce. a person who works in the produce market will be healthier because of the fact that all there is to eat is fruit. I would constantly pick up an orange, peach, plum, or some other fruit to snack on as we waited on the front for customers (being an assistant manager and son to the President, vice president, and trucker for the business gave that happy ability). this result of increased fruit intake gives many health benefits. here is a quote from a journal article:

Quote by: JW Lampe, 1999 Epidemiologic data support the association between high intake of vegetables and fruits and low risk of chronic disease. There are several biologically plausible reasons why consumption of vegetables and fruit might slow or prevent the onset of chronic diseases. Vegetables and fruit are rich sources of a variety of nutrients, including vitamins, trace minerals, and dietary fiber, and many other classes of biologically active compounds. These phytochemicals can have complementary and overlapping mechanisms of action, including modulation of detoxification enzymes, stimulation of the immune system, reduction of platelet aggregation, modulation of cholesterol synthesis and hormone metabolism, reduction of blood pressure, and antioxidant, antibacterial, and antiviral effects. Although these effects have been examined primarily in animal and cell-culture models, experimental dietary studies in humans have also shown the capacity of vegetables and fruit and their constituents to modulate some of these potential disease-preventive mechanisms. The human studies have relied on intermediate endpoints related to disease risk. Design methodologies used include multiple-arm trials, randomized crossover studies, and more compromised designs such as nonrandomized crossovers and pre- and posttreatment analyses. Length of treatment ranged from a single dose to years depending on the mechanism of interest. Stringency of dietary control varied from addition of supplements to a habitual diet to provision of all food for the duration of a treatment. Rigorously conducted experimental dietary studies in humans are an important link between population- and laboratory-based research.

2.) the air they breath is cleaner. farm hands and the people who work a farm in Florida are generally far away from pollution "hot spots." office workers are usually in the downtown area of cities, and the air-conditioned air isn't much better, so say some studies. air conditioners generally don't come packed with HEPA filtration and an ionizer, so the particulate matter (PM) is not taken care of. this leads to an effect on both the respiratory system and the cardiovascular system (Janssen, NA, et al., 2002).

3.) more exercise. workers in farms do more lifting and running than any office worker will get, unless he is the janitor. "Research on acute exercise indicates that 20 to 40 minutes of aerobic activity results in improvements in state anxiety and mood that persist for several hours." (Raglin, JS; 1990) we know now that this is because it releases endorphins, which have been proven to be mood lifters (Wagner, EH, et al.; 1992).

funny what happens if you get me going.

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[patriotsACT]

Quote by: dthmstr254 either get your butt in college or in a good working job. at least in a job like I had you have optimal job security.

My butt IS in college. Sadly though, while trying to support my family I can only attend a limited amount. At this rate I should be an LPN in 4-5 years. If I or my parents were rich and I could attend full time I would be more than half done with the 2 year degree that it is. And losing my manual labor job actually kinda helped me pay for it. As I now make so much less money than I did before I am able to get aid. Before I made 200.00 too much per year to get any help. Sadly that 200.00 wouldnt cut it for school costs.

I did have a good working job. It was manual labor. Hardwork with hand tools. Sweaty, dirty, and sometimes a little bloody. In the 90's this was a great job, and quite secure. Retirement was an option, and life was ok. I liked the hard work. The 60 hours a week sometimes. I considered it to be like getting paid to stay in good shape. But things changed. At the time the illegal worker problem wasn't so well known. And I didnt know the guys my boss was hiring were making 5.00 an hour less than me. And I didnt know that it was going to eventually drop my wage to so near minimum wage. But it did, and more of the "other people" were getting hired. With that more of my friends were leaving for better pay. So did I, but much to our surprise.. There isnt any better pay.

6.50 per hour + 40 hours per week = $260.00

x 4 weeks = $1040.00 per month

- $100.00 per month for car insurance = $940.00
- $450.00 per month to live in the hood = $490.00
- $ 70.00 per month to keep my apartment at 65 degrees = $420.00
- $150.00+ per month in gas to get to work/school = $270.00
- $ 70.00 per month in needed basic items = $200.00
- $110.00 (apx) in other bills like water, and electricity = $90.00
- $ 40.00 per month for a land line phone = $50.00
- $ 20.00 per month set aside for my 12 month old son's school = $30.00 (at this rate I will have saved $4320.00 for my Son's education by the time he is 18.)
- $ 20.00 set aside for any repairs and maintenance = $10.00

Lets see.. Did I leave anything out?

OOOOOoooo yeah. Taxes taken out from 260.00 per week. Oh and silly me, i also left out FOOD.

Clearly with that added in you can see just how far into the negative I go each month. Sacrafices must be made. For one, food for the grown ups is sacraficed. Instead I buy baby food and diapers. Sometimes I have even gone out and illegally shot squirrels and ate them.

I dont have cable, I dont have a PC or internet. (This is my Uncle's PC I come and use for school and internet.) At my home we do have a TV. It gets 3 channels.

And this whole time there is some guy somewhere raking in 100s of 1000s of dollars. If not millions. This guy has 3 houses, 4 cars, and a multitude of items. And he wants more because its never enough, and no one is as important as him.

I just want to live comfortably. I want 1 house, 1 car and maybe a computer with a cable modem. After I am an LPN I might be able to afford those things. But the way things are going now, probably not. And besides it is my understanding that Nurses coming in from Mexico/China will work for a great deal less than American nurses do. So I imagine by the time I get my degree it wont be any different than when my labor job turned to shit. And Nursing will be a job that "Americans wont do." Or in your words: "Wont get off they're lazy bums to do."

You see it is disconnected people like you that help to perpetuate the problem. You think everyone's Daddy should or does own a business. Sadly, that is not a fact. Maybe in your little world it is. But not out here in the real world.

Dont take your pamperd arse and try to say I need to go to school, or get off my lazy butt. You need to step out into reality buddy. Anyone who thinks its as simple and easy as you needs to spend a year trying to live on 6.50 an hour.

[patriotsACT]

Quote by: dthmstr254 funny what happens if you get me going.

Yes very funny, consdering it has really nothing to do with what we are talking about.

I believe you have been defeated, sir.

[Osborn F Enready]

Well said patriotsACT, and kudos for the patience and ability to not be insulting.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: patriotsACT Yes very funny, consdering it has really nothing to do with what we are talking about. I believe you have been defeated, sir.

actually, he said that I didn't know that it was best. I just proved that healthwise, it is better. I say leave the office job to the person who has a physical disability. at least then they can make themselves useful instead of waiting on one of you who are perfectly healthy enough to do some hard work.

[patriotsACT]

This isnt a Presidential speech, this isn't fox news.

Smoke and mirrors, buzzwords, and changing of the topic will not work here.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: patriotsACT My butt IS in college. Sadly though, while trying to support my family I can only attend a limited amount. At this rate I should be an LPN in 4-5 years. If I or my parents were rich and I could attend full time I would be more than half done with the 2 year degree that it is. And losing my manual labor job actually kinda helped me pay for it. As I now make so much less money than I did before I am able to get aid. Before I made 200.00 too much per year to get any help. Sadly that 200.00 wouldnt cut it for school costs. I did have a good working job. It was manual labor. Hardwork with hand tools. Sweaty, dirty, and sometimes a little bloody. In the 90's this was a great job, and quite secure. Retirement was an option, and life was ok. I liked the hard work. The 60 hours a week sometimes. I considered it to be like getting paid to stay in good shape. But things changed. At the time the illegal worker problem wasn't so well known. And I didnt know the guys my boss was hiring were making 5.00 an hour less than me. And I didnt know that it was going to eventually drop my wage to so near minimum wage. But it did, and more of the "other people" were getting hired. With that more of my friends were leaving for better pay. So did I, but much to our surprise.. There isnt any better pay. 6.50 per hour + 40 hours per week = $260.00 x 4 weeks = $1040.00 per month - $100.00 per month for car insurance = $940.00 - $450.00 per month to live in the hood = $490.00 - $ 70.00 per month to keep my apartment at 65 degrees = $420.00 - $150.00+ per month in gas to get to work/school = $270.00 - $ 70.00 per month in needed basic items = $200.00 - $110.00 (apx) in other bills like water, and electricity = $90.00 - $ 40.00 per month for a land line phone = $50.00 - $ 20.00 per month set aside for my 12 month old son's school = $30.00 (at this rate I will have saved $4320.00 for my Son's education by the time he is 18.) - $ 20.00 set aside for any repairs and maintenance = $10.00 Lets see.. Did I leave anything out? OOOOOoooo yeah. Taxes taken out from 260.00 per week. Oh and silly me, i also left out FOOD. Clearly with that added in you can see just how far into the negative I go each month. Sacrafices must be made. For one, food for the grown ups is sacraficed. Instead I buy baby food and diapers. Sometimes I have even gone out and illegally shot squirrels and ate them. I dont have cable, I dont have a PC or internet. (This is my Uncle's PC I come and use for school and internet.) At my home we do have a TV. It gets 3 channels. And this whole time there is some guy somewhere raking in 100s of 1000s of dollars. If not millions. This guy has 3 houses, 4 cars, and a multitude of items. And he wants more because its never enough, and no one is as important as him. I just want to live comfortably. I want 1 house, 1 car and maybe a computer with a cable modem. After I am an LPN I might be able to afford those things. But the way things are going now, probably not. And besides it is my understanding that Nurses coming in from Mexico/China will work for a great deal less than American nurses do. So I imagine by the time I get my degree it wont be any different than when my labor job turned to shit. And Nursing will be a job that "Americans wont do." Or in your words: "Wont get off they're lazy bums to do." You see it is disconnected people like you that help to perpetuate the problem. You think everyone's Daddy should or does own a business. Sadly, that is not a fact. Maybe in your little world it is. But not out here in the real world. Dont take your pamperd arse and try to say I need to go to school, or get off my lazy butt. You need to step out into reality buddy. Anyone who thinks its as simple and easy as you needs to spend a year trying to live on 6.50 an hour.

I am. I am in college at Tennessee Temple University, and working in the dining hall for a total of 5.50 an hour. I ain't been pampered. far from it. here are a few notes:

don't go for 65 degrees in your house. my parents keep the house at 70 and are paying $150 less than you. they are asthmatic, so if it were creating adverse health effects for them, I would know.

if you have a vehicle that can run on ethanol, find a gas station that sells ethanol. that can save you about $40-$50 a month.

put 5-10% into savings. that is saving me quite a bit.

everybody can live off of their own work if they don't have health problem.