Mobile WMD Labs a Farce

[gr8fuldaniel]

Link Lacking Biolabs, Trailers Carried Case for War Administration Pushed Notion of Banned Iraqi Weapons Despite Evidence to Contrary By Joby Warrick Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, April 12, 2006; A01 On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction." The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision to go to war. But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials possessed powerful evidence that it was not true. A secret fact-finding mission to Iraq -- not made public until now -- had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement. The three-page field report and a 122-page final report three weeks later were stamped "secret" and shelved. Meanwhile, for nearly a year, administration and intelligence officials continued to publicly assert that the trailers were weapons factories.

The right of this administration to commit mass murder should be revoked.

It was all a lie. Not just bad intelligence. A LIE.

Well over 100,000 counts of murder. American and Iraqi murders.

All for a lie.

[PatrickHenry]

Liars_Я_Us, should be the motto of BushCo, huh, Dan? But that would be telling the truth

[Milton Bradley]

I see they're trying to debink this story now on CNN, but the way the Bush administration manufactures documents, I wouldn't be surprised if the ink was still wet on the ones circulating around the newsroom now. ( Just ask George Galloway )

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Devilishly cunning these designers of Mobile WMD Labs all evidence self destructs leaving only the shit to fly in the face of those who create lies to further their ambition

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Liars_Я_Us, should be the motto of BushCo, huh, Dan? But that would be telling the truth :)

Yeah, but they want us to believe they are just incompetant. In reality they are manipulating Americans with psyops.

Robert Scheer On Monday, former Secretary of State Colin Powell told me that he and his department's top experts never believed that Iraq posed an imminent nuclear threat, but that the president followed the misleading advice of Vice President Dick Cheney and the CIA in making the claim. Now he tells us.

Colin Powell should melt down all of his medals. He has put partisan politics and greed above national security. He is a disgrace to his uniform. He misled America and the UN, for the sake of murder and profit and power. He long can he play the hapless stooge for these idiots? He has, in effect, murdered Americans in his push for unjustified war.

Former Ambassador Joe Wilson (Valerie Plames husband) is on Randi Rhodes Show right now. He is saying bush should fire Cheney. This should be done NOW, based on testimony of Scooter Libbey.

[gr8fuldaniel]

For old times sake:

CNN Powell: Mobile labs were for WMD Thursday, May 22, 2003 Posted: 10:41 AM EDT (1441 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Intelligence analysts have determined that two suspected mobile biological weapons laboratories found in Iraq were "certainly designed and constructed for that purpose," U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said Wednesday. "The intelligence community has really looked hard at these vans, and we can find no other purpose for them," Powell told reporters in Washington. But Powell said that the labs had been cleaned to the point that "you can't find actual germs on them." "We don't know whether they have been used for that purpose or not, but they were certainly designed and constructed for that purpose," Powell said. "We have taken our time on this one because we wanted to make sure we got it right. And the intelligence community, I think, is convinced now that that's the purpose they served."

Actually they were used for helium production. Which could be used to fill balloons. Which could carry a bomb (or firecrackers) to our shores. (Since they dont have an air force)
Terror! Terror! Terror!

EDIT to add:
LINK
May 27, 2003: Pentagon Memo To Admin.: Iraq Trailers Not WMDs...
May 29,2003: Bush: “We Have Found Weapons Of Mass Destruction.”

[gr8fuldaniel]

Chris Matthews "Spitball" had My Senator, Barbara Boxer on last night,
calling for an apology from the president.

MSNBC transcript:

MATTHEWS: Thank you, David. Great report. With us now in California is California‘s own Barbara Boxer, the Democratic senator, who wants to censure President Bush for the NSA‘s domestic surveillance program and today SHE called on the president to apologize for, “declassifying information for political reasons during the Iraq war.” Let me ask you this, Senator, are you going to follow through with this? Are you going to try to get him censured? SEN. BARBARA BOXER: Well, I absolutely feel that we can‘t close our eyes to what this president has done. You could ask me is it a smart, strategic move for the Democrats, I don‘t know if it is or isn‘t, Chris. But every day you think it can‘t get worse and it gets worse. Now we see how hard the president himself tried to hurt Ambassador Joe Wilson, who told the truth about Saddam Hussein and the nuclear weapons program. He told the truth that it wasn‘t happening. And yet in fact, this president wanted to release information that even he knew, and the administration knew, was suspect.

Apologies are also expected from CIA crime boss George Tenet was rewarded with a "Medal of Freedom" for concealing all the intelligence that exposed the flawed and forged intel.

Still waiting for the noble reason for this war.

PH;
Hey! Wait a minute!! How did you get the R reversed Patrick? (Liars_Я_Us)

You are too cool 4 school!

[Mr.Vicchio]

Thanks Gr8, let's put this into sense shall we, and try to refute if you can, and please, proof... it's in this pudding, where's yours aside a slickly worded news peice designed to make you get all excited?

The Washington Post presents a story today that might be summed up as "Bush lied, thousands died." It's a long story and it's hard to keep track of the timelines, so I thought I'd rearrange the story in chronological order. Mid-1990s: As early as the mid-1990s, weapons inspectors from the United Nations chased phantom mobile labs that were said to be mounted on trucks or rail cars, churning out tons of anthrax by night and moving to new locations each day. No such labs were found, but many officials believed the stories, thanks in large part to elaborate tales told by Iraqi defectors. 1999-2003: The CIA's star informant, an Iraqi with the code name Curveball, was a self-proclaimed chemical engineer who defected to Germany in 1999 and requested asylum. For four years, the Baghdad native passed secrets about alleged Iraqi banned weapons to the CIA indirectly, through Germany's intelligence service. Curveball provided descriptions of mobile labs and said he had supervised work in one of them. He even described a catastrophic 1998 accident in one lab that left 12 Iraqis dead. February 5, 2003: "We have firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails," Powell said in the Feb. 5, 2003, speech. Thanks to those descriptions, he said, "We know what the fermenters look like. We know what the tanks, pumps, compressors and other parts look like." April 2003: The trailers discovered in the Iraqi desert resembled the drawings well enough, at least from a distance. One of them, a flatbed trailer covered by tarps, was found in April by Kurdish fighters near the northern city of Irbil. The second was captured by U.S. forces near Mosul. Both were painted military green and outfitted with a suspicious array of gear: large metal tanks, motors, compressors, pipes and valves. May 25, 2003: The technical team was assembled in Kuwait and then flown to Baghdad to begin their work early on May 25, 2003. By that date, the two trailers had been moved to a military base on the grounds of one of deposed president Saddam Hussein's Baghdad palaces. When members of the technical team arrived, they found the trailers parked in an open lot, covered with camouflage netting. May 27,2003 Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement. May 28, 2003: A day after the team's report was transmitted to Washington -- May 28, 2003 -- the CIA publicly released its first formal assessment of the trailers, reflecting the views of its Washington analysts. That white paper, which also bore the DIA seal, contended that U.S. officials were "confident" that the trailers were used for "mobile biological weapons production." May 29,2003 On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction." June 2003: Kay, in an interview, said senior CIA officials had advised him upon accepting the survey group's leadership in June 2003 that some experts in the DIA were "backsliding" on whether the trailers were weapons labs. Spring and Summer 2003: Intelligence analysts involved in high-level discussions about the trailers noted that the technical team was among several groups that analyzed the suspected mobile labs throughout the spring and summer of 2003. Two teams of military experts who viewed the trailers soon after their discovery concluded that the facilities were weapons labs, a finding that strongly influenced views of intelligence officials in Washington, the analysts said. "It was hotly debated, and there were experts making arguments on both sides," said one former senior official who spoke on the condition that he not be identified. Summer and Fall 2003 Throughout the summer and fall of 2003, the trailers became simply "mobile biological laboratories" in speeches and press statements by administration officials. In late June, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell declared that the "confidence level is increasing" that the trailers were intended for biowarfare. In September, Vice President Cheney pronounced the trailers to be "mobile biological facilities," and said they could have been used to produce anthrax or smallpox. October 2, 2003: David Kay, the group's first leader, told Congress on Oct. 2 that he had found no banned weapons in Iraq and was unable to verify the claim that the disputed trailers were weapons labs. February 5, 2004: Still, as late as February 2004, then-CIA Director George J. Tenet continued to assert that the mobile-labs theory remained plausible. Although there was "no consensus" among intelligence officials, the trailers "could be made to work" as weapons labs, he said in a speech Feb. 5. September 2004: The survey group's final report in September 2004 -- 15 months after the technical report was written -- said the trailers were "impractical" for biological weapons production and were "almost certainly intended" for manufacturing hydrogen for weather balloons. If you look at this timeline, one thing jumps out. Bush's May 29, 2003 statement, which certainly appears to be wrong based on what we know now, was not clearly a lie or a mistake at the time. The fact that there was some dispute over whether the trailers were mobile bio-weapons labs does not alter the fact that the day before the President spoke, the CIA and DIA had issued a report concluding that: U.S. officials were "confident" that the trailers were used for "mobile biological weapons production." Let's remember as well, that this was post-invasion, not pre-invasion.

http://www.brainster.blogspot.com/20...85397603868270

Thanks, nice try, you are wrong.. unless of course you think a lie is anything said by Bush.. in that case just carry on, Facts aren't important to you.

[Scribbler1]

I agree that you can't automatically assume everything he says is a lie, but after so many lies what does it matter WHAT he says anymore?

[Mr.Vicchio]

It does matter if you are an honest person. There is honest critical stances, and knee jerk reactions. Your comment above falls under the latter.

How many of the "lies" of Bush were not actually lies, but you have been lead to believe that because of misguided reporting?

I am NOT saying Bush is perfect, but I think the media onslaught and the eargerness of some to follow thier lead has been.. patently sick.

[Boetie]

Mr Vichhio,

Bush Jr lied. Your own posts states he peddled the lie on May 29, 2003. Two days earlier it was already proved to be bogus, but Bush Jr continued the lie anyway. Just like he did with the Niger document, just like he did when he said he wanted to get to the bottom of the Plame leaker when it was him all along.

Bush Jr's MO goes way back when he said he wanted to serve jury duty and all along Gonzales was fighting to get him off of jury duty.

Bush Jr is a serial liar, a zero, a loser.

This Iraq war is politics via cherry picking intel, has nothing to do with our safety or any noble cause.

He is a criminal, he premeditated the murder of thousands of soldiers and innocent Iraqis. They all died for nothing, do you know what nothing means Mr Vicchio? find out and when you do the sight of Bush Jr will make you want to puke.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Mr Vic;
Gee I dont know, am I supposed to post a full article from a Blog, to dispute your Blog?

First of all, your post did lie. Note the facts I presented (in post #6):
May 27, 2003: Pentagon Memo To Admin.: Iraq Trailers Not WMDs...
May 29, 2003: Bush: “We Have Found Weapons Of Mass Destruction.”

The admin was informed of the flawed intel 2 days before he told the world they found WMDs, a lie.
He repeated that lie for months. Your Blog didnt address that. Except to lie:

If you look at this timeline, one thing jumps out. Bush's May 29, 2003 statement, which certainly appears to be wrong based on what we know now, was not clearly a lie or a mistake at the time.

Sure it was, in fact just TWO Days Prior, the Pentagon had informed the WH that it was not a weapons lab. But that went against bushs agenda. That was un-doing the last leg of evidence bush had against Iraq. That was UN-FIXING the intelligence around the war policy. Better hide that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101888_pf.html On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."

Bush knew it was a LIE when he said it. Or are you arguing bush is out of the loop. That he only reads the teleprompter. That hes on a "Need to know basis". That he cant be trusted within 10 feet of anything even resembling intelligence. We all know its a foreign language to him.

Now perhaps WMDs arent so important to this WH.
Maybe the wrong answer would bring the wrath of junior on the bearer of bad news so nobody had the cajones to tell him. Is that what you are arguing?

[Mr.Vicchio]

May 27,2003 Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement. May 28, 2003: A day after the team's report was transmitted to Washington -- May 28, 2003 -- the CIA publicly released its first formal assessment of the trailers, reflecting the views of its Washington analysts. That white paper, which also bore the DIA seal, contended that U.S. officials were "confident" that the trailers were used for "mobile biological weapons production."

Timeline > Your assumption Bush is all powerful.

ACtually, I have a question for you, can you prove Bush or anyone in the adminstration even SAW the report? Do you know where the report was filed too?

No, of course not, but that's just logic and common sense ruining a perfectly good bumper sticker moment. Carry on.

[bishop]

the apologist's response to bush's colossal fuck up - get into a debate over whether/not bush lied.

the report dan linked shows additional proof that the administration did not and would not listen to any "intelligence" that went against their war plans.. they wanted this war and latched onto the labs and anything else that they could to sell it to the public and the world. even to the point where bush himself leaked the name of a cia agent whose husband had intelligence running contrary to their war plans. this scumbag that you still apologize for, for whatever dumbassed reason, chose this war regardless of whether/not iraq really did have wmd's...

[Mr.Vicchio]

The haters response... Bush LIED! Does it matter about anyhting else? Of course not, bush HAD to have lied, if not then we are.. wrong..

Can't be wrong so repeat mantra, attack those that disagree, ignore all logic, common sense and relevant info. Just keep repeating.. Bush Lied.

Over, and over again. That way, for you, it's TRUE! Woot!

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Hey! Wait a minute!! How did you get the R reversed Patrick? (Liars_Я_Us) You are too cool 4 school!

Blushes...awww it was easy...Character map/cyrillic

[gr8fuldaniel]

ACtually, I have a question for you, can you prove Bush or anyone in the adminstration even SAW the report?

Actually bush has admitted he doesnt read. It seems like they could find somebody. Do you think its because it didnt support their agenda, it was shelved? Thats no excuse. Just because bush himself acts like a 15 yearold juvenile delinquent, doesnt mean NOBODY in the WH should do any homework.

Are they all too retarded? Thats about the only rationale to explain it.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Yeah Gr8, I am sure they got that and went "No way, we better shelve this!"

You crack me up, on the one hadn Bush and Co. are nefarious and smart, smart enough to pull off a giant lie to start a war, etc. etc. etc. But stupid enough to leave evidence they had in thier possession around. I mean, if they had the report, knew it would tottaly destory thier agenda.. why let it exsist at all? Where are the people that wrote this report? Why aren't they doing the Joe "Nigernoyellowcake" Wilson gig?

Come on man, which is it? Super all powerful all knowing Bush who lied for oil? Or ignorant moron that is sooo stupid he's getting caught in a tangled web of lies that should be so obvious to all we should march on DC and demand he be impeached?

[Marilyn Monroe]

[quote=gr8fuldaniel]For old times sake: Actually they were used for helium production. Which could be used to fill balloons. Which could carry a bomb (or firecrackers) to our shores. (Since they dont have an air force)
Terror! Terror! Terror!

I'm thinking terror can be supported in any number of ways, and especially easy when you are on the same continent with well-known terrorists. You wouldn't need an Air Force, just money would be the easiest way to give aid. There are actions that aren't always traceable, either.

I'm thinking we all need to believe terror is out there lurking, and fighting it is better than not fighting it. Iraq was just one piece of the puzzle.

To some degree why can't we be wrong, but also be right. :eek:

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Yeah Gr8, I am sure they got that and went "No way, we better shelve this!" You crack me up, on the one hadn Bush and Co. are nefarious and smart, smart enough to pull off a giant lie to start a war, etc. etc. etc. But stupid enough to leave evidence they had in thier possession around. I mean, if they had the report, knew it would tottaly destory thier agenda.. why let it exsist at all? Where are the people that wrote this report? Why aren't they doing the Joe "Nigernoyellowcake" Wilson gig? Come on man, which is it? Super all powerful all knowing Bush who lied for oil? Or ignorant moron that is sooo stupid he's getting caught in a tangled web of lies that should be so obvious to all we should march on DC and demand he be impeached?

A little of both in my opinion.


The people Bush had doing his homework for him was pretty smart, but when it was left for him to present, well, you know the rest of the story.