Mobile WMD Labs a Farce

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel But, I wasnt talking just about the Iraq war. Bush is a collossal failure in everything he touches. Check this link, they put all the polls together on one page Polling Report: Bush Job Rating In fact according to this bush has NEVER had 75% approval for Iraq. You Just Plain Lied, MM!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188116,00.html

I think Bush has done ok. What did Clinton do? We had a surplus, but he increased taxes significantly. Tell us what he did.

http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapita...html#landmarks

Some of this stuff is funny.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Source? Everything I have read says that its his Iraq policy that has driven him below 40%. Show me one poll that says 75% approve of his war plan. Hint: You wont find it here Newsweek poll or here CNN poll or here: So you were only off by about 43% in the WRONG direction. The MAJORITY say it was a mistake! Almost 60% The other 40% (who approve) are idiots who still think Iraq attacked us on 911. I guess.

The people are fickle. They say we should have gotten Saddam (74%, but not go to Iraq to get him. Go figure.

This is also because Americans aren't into anything that lasts more than 5 mins. This is a video game country. We try to second guess everything.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: bishop heh.. i'm not going to get buried in the apologist's excuses and semantical games... bottom line is that bush leaked plame's name solely because her husband had good reason to question bush's assertion that iraq was developing nukes with nigerian yellowcake.. and lo and behold, wilson was actually right all along.. i personally think that people who would villify innocent people (especially those who've honorably served our country) in order to achieve their misguided agendas are the most vile people in this country - along with those who would give excuses for their miscreant behavior. they're devoid of any semblance of morality as are their supporters/apologists.

This is your opinion, and everybody has one. I don't believe that you feel it's vile unless it's coming from the opposite side of what you believe in. That's just how people are.

I wouldn't think it would be a big deal though if she wasn't covert anymore, and if one of Bush's people did it and he didn't know, it's not his doing. Now the war is his doing, but Plame, that's debatable. I don't care about Plame all that much as it is, but I wouldn't doubt Bush has over zealous folks who work for him, all President's do.

[gr8fuldaniel]

I think Bush has done ok. What did Clinton do? .... The people are fickle. They say we should have gotten Saddam (74%, but not go to Iraq to get him. Go figure

Clinton had Saddam contained. He was disarmed, powerless.
I personally dont like sanctions because they harm the kids and peasants. But you cant argue that Saddam was a threat to others. Because of him his own people suffered. But we did not legally strike Iraq. There was no genocide and bush didnt go back to the UN for a resolution, like he said he would. We are tresspassing and murdering and stealing.

Are you arguing that saddam was a threat to us? How? Everybody, including Bush 41 knew going into Bagdad would be a huge mistake.

This is also because Americans aren't into anything that lasts more than 5 mins.

Speak for yourself. I am into lasting peace. Massacres are evil. Anyone who votes for bush is guilty of slaughter. The warnings were there but you ignored them. You really believed we were going to liberate Iraq? Sucker!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Me Show me one poll that says 75% approve of his war plan.

MM;
I am still waiting for this.
The poll you showed me asked whether the world was better off with Saddam deposed.
Not that we had a right to attack, nor that bush handled it properly.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel "He tried to kill my daddy" Oil, and Armageddon, are the only reasons left.

You forgot pleasing Israel...

[RickSp]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe I wouldn't think it would be a big deal though if she wasn't covert anymore, and if one of Bush's people did it and he didn't know, it's not his doing. Now the war is his doing, but Plame, that's debatable. I don't care about Plame all that much as it is, but I wouldn't doubt Bush has over zealous folks who work for him, all President's do.

Plame was under NOC, non-offical cover, which means that she was not associated with the embassy and had no protection if she was caught. Even though she had returned to the US and was no longer under cover, outing Plame put everyone she ever dealt with at risk. It may not be a big deal to you, but it was to the CIA. It just shows that Bush and his cohorts care more about short term political advatantage than national security. Even now they are calling retired generals every name except but traitor for telling the truth about Donny Rumsfeld's distasterous reign in the Defense Department. Bush deserves to be shot as a war criminal. Impeachment will do.

Outed CIA officer was working on Iran, intelligence sources say

The unmasking of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson by White House officials in 2003 caused significant damage to U.S. national security and its ability to counter nuclear proliferation abroad, RAW STORY has learned. According to current and former intelligence officials, Plame Wilson, who worked on the clandestine side of the CIA in the Directorate of Operations as a non-official cover (NOC) officer, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran. Speaking under strict confidentiality, intelligence officials revealed heretofore unreported elements of Plame's work. Their accounts suggest that Plame's outing was more serious than has previously been reported and carries grave implications for U.S. national security and its ability to monitor Iran's burgeoning nuclear program.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Quote by: gr8fuldaniel "He tried to kill my daddy" Oil, and Armageddon, are the only reasons left. You forgot pleasing Israel...

Thats true. I could also add that Cheney makes $100k per day, while Haliburton is "rebuilding" Iraq. I cant remember the last time I made $100,000 in a day.......

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Speak for yourself. I am into lasting peace. Massacres are evil. Anyone who votes for bush is guilty of slaughter. The warnings were there but you ignored them. You really believed we were going to liberate Iraq? Sucker!

You would have done better if you had left that last paragraph off. Sometimess less is better.
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[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe There's no way I would probably ever find the source I had. I just did a google, looking for Plame and Joe Wilson, and it was there.

Can you recall the exact wording of the search? I'll take it from there.

I did see more than one source that said she hadn't been covert since 1997.

One would do nicely. I believe you are confusing active duty with covert duty. The CIA doesn't routinely give out the names of their agents who are no longer operating in secret. For one thing, that would very often be a death sentence for the agent. For another, the CIA might need to use her again, considering all the contacts and access spooks develop over the years.
The office role was a cover. It's as simple as that. NO ONE had the right to "out" her and regardless of whether it was Bush or not the leaker should be arrested and executed with great dispatch. Compromising the identity of a covert (or even EX covert) agent is the work of a foul, filthy traitor to his country. If that doesn't call for the death penalty NOTHING does!

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Can you recall the exact wording of the search? I'll take it from there. One would do nicely. I believe you are confusing active duty with covert duty. The CIA doesn't routinely give out the names of their agents who are no longer operating in secret. For one thing, that would very often be a death sentence for the agent. For another, the CIA might need to use her again, considering all the contacts and access spooks develop over the years. The office role was a cover. It's as simple as that. NO ONE had the right to "out" her and regardless of whether it was Bush or not the leaker should be arrested and executed with great dispatch. Compromising the identity of a covert (or even EX covert) agent is the work of a foul, filthy traitor to his country. If that doesn't call for the death penalty NOTHING does!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162811,00.html

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162811,00.html

Sean Hannity? Get Real!

[Scribbler1]

I appreciate the link, but I don't consider a political talk show with Sean Hannity a real source as they can easily shop around for someone with the "right" opinion to serve as a guest. This was mostly the opinions of their guest, such as how much damage outing her would have caused which he casually dismisses as not a big deal.

[bishop]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe This is your opinion, and everybody has one. I don't believe that you feel it's vile unless it's coming from the opposite side of what you believe in. That's just how people are.

pardon me, but are you assuming that i'm some mindless partisan hack? unfortunately, i voted for the shit (bush) in 2000.

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe I wouldn't think it would be a big deal though if she wasn't covert anymore, and if one of Bush's people did it and he didn't know, it's not his doing. Now the war is his doing, but Plame, that's debatable. I don't care about Plame all that much as it is, but I wouldn't doubt Bush has over zealous folks who work for him, all President's do.

bush was the one who leaked plame's name, not some underling. do you read the news??

bush's decision was some bullshit schoolhouse stunt to punish the wife of a man who had information contrary to his war plans/propaganda. the man has brought far more dishonor to the white house than clinton ever achieved.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Marilyn Spies get found out, it happens for whatever reason

Yeah, in this case for cheap political spite. I've read nothing anywhere about Plame having already been outed before 2003. For the purposes of debating on this board, being able to back up your statements with sources is vital. For instance, you spoke of a poll, while I sourced a USA Today/Gallup poll from a week ago that said the polar opposite of yours. Given the vast disparity, which do you think people on this board should accept? You memory or my link to a source?

Quote by: Marilyn Really?

Yeah, really. You disagree? Make your case.

Quote by: Marilyn If you can, then go look for Plame and Wilson.

I have. I also sourced the CIA report to the (Republican led) Congressional.

Quote by: Marilyn One would do nicely. I believe you are confusing active duty with covert duty. The CIA doesn't routinely give out the names of their agents who are no longer operating in secret. For one thing, that would very often be a death sentence for the agent. For another, the CIA might need to use her again, considering all the contacts and access spooks develop over the years.

Additionally, it jeapordizes anyone who ever dealt with her in the past. All a foriegn intelligence service needs to do is backtrack through her various positions, see who she was dealing with and, bingo, you're uncovering sources.

Quote by: Daniel Sean Hannity? Get Real!

Sean Hannity interviewing a former agent who left in 1990. Even better.

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[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Sean Hannity? Get Real!

and Colmes. Hey! He wanted a source. That wasn't my original source, but I found the Hannity one to have even more info. I stopped looking at Hannity cause it said the same stuff I saw elsewhere. There was a source is all I was getting at.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Scribbler1 I appreciate the link, but I don't consider a political talk show with Sean Hannity a real source as they can easily shop around for someone with the "right" opinion to serve as a guest. This was mostly the opinions of their guest, such as how much damage outing her would have caused which he casually dismisses as not a big deal.

Maybe that's because it wasn't a big deal. I heard early on that they were making a mountain out of a molehill. It's really what you want to believe. There's always some huge story.

I don't know the Wilson guy, but they say he was the wrong choice to go to Niger, and his wife was the one who got him to go, so I don't know.

[bishop]

who's "they"? bushbot pundits?

[gr8fuldaniel]

When providing sources we like to see unbiased, mainstream media. Not partisan talking heads.

If you are volunteering info, rather than providing a requested source you may be granted leniency. But if someone says "Prove it!", dont offer Limbaugh or Hannity.

They are more opinionated than factual.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe Maybe that's because it wasn't a big deal. I heard early on that they were making a mountain out of a molehill. It's really what you want to believe. There's always some huge story.

I've never been one to believe everything is a "huge story" but regardless of what YOU believe, compromising the cover of a CIA agent is TREASON, no matter what, no matter who and no matter when.
Just because a hand-picked guest on a talk show says blowing a CIA agent's cover is no big deal doesn't mean anything. It is one man's opinion.
Ask yourself this, if outing a covert SPY is no big deal then why does the CIA BOTHER with a cover to begin with?

I don't know the Wilson guy, but they say he was the wrong choice to go to Niger, and his wife was the one who got him to go, so I don't know.

Now THAT is "no big deal".
You don't know "the Wilson guy" and you don't know much else by your own admission. If I want to know what Hannity thinks I'll listen to him myself, thank you.