Mobile WMD Labs a Farce

[Boetie]

Mr Vicchio posts: The haters response... Bush LIED! Does it matter about anyhting else? Of course not, bush HAD to have lied, if not then we are.. wrong.. Can't be wrong so repeat mantra, attack those that disagree, ignore all logic, common sense and relevant info. Just keep repeating.. Bush Lied. Over, and over again. That way, for you, it's TRUE! Woot!

Didn't you see my post?

Bush Jr's method of operandi goes way back in his Texas days. He was the one that stood outside the door and told everyone that he would love to serve jury duty, while his lawyer at the same time is fighting to get Bush Jr off of jury duty.

Let's fast forward to the present time. Bush Jr said he wanted find out as much as anyone else who leaked Plame's identity, meanwhile Bush Jr knew all along that he was the one that leaked the identity?

The impression Bush Jr gave to the public is that he avoided war as much as he could. How can that be true if he cherry picked intel?

The answer is, it doesn't hold true that he avoided war as much as he could, when he cherry picked intel and leaked that cherry picked intel to the public for the sole purpose of conning the public into war.

Talking out of both sides of one's mouth makes one a liar.

Mr Vichhio,

Bush Jr is a liar and a criminal. This is not a mantra, it's the truth and the truth must be told.

[bishop]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio The haters response... Bush LIED! Does it matter about anyhting else? Of course not, bush HAD to have lied, if not then we are.. wrong.. Can't be wrong so repeat mantra, attack those that disagree, ignore all logic, common sense and relevant info. Just keep repeating.. Bush Lied. Over, and over again. That way, for you, it's TRUE! Woot!

you have reading and comprehension problems.. i didn't say anything about "lying" and i didn't take your fool's argument bait.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: V I mean, if they had the report, knew it would tottaly destory thier agenda..

He would have to kill the panelists who submitted the report too. I am sure they kept a copy of their work. Right?

Quote by: V You crack me up, on the one hadn Bush and Co. are nefarious and smart, smart enough to pull off a giant lie to start a war

Thats just it! They DIDNT PULL IT OFF!! They are getting busted left and right (mostly left)

Quote by: MM I'm thinking we all need to believe terror is out there lurking, and fighting it is better than not fighting it. Iraq was just one piece of the puzzle.

Do you have a source to support this? There was no terror "lurking" in Iraq until we sent troops there. For terror. Remember the "Shock and Awe"? Its called terrorism when they do it right? So we are, in fact promoting terrorism by invading sovereign nations which havent attacked or even threatened us.

[gr8fuldaniel]

But stupid enough to leave evidence they had in thier possession around. I mean, if they had the report, knew it would tottaly destory thier agenda.. why let it exsist at all? Where are the people that wrote this report? Why aren't they doing the Joe "Nigernoyellowcake" Wilson gig?

I suppose they are not half the patriot Joe Wilson is. Wilson wasnt on a secret panel from the Pentagon.
Another retired General is calling for the resignation of Rumsfeld just today. For some reason its not proper decorum to speak against treason while in office.

We are all waiting for Jeff Gannon to retire his chaps. I am sure he has some stories to tell.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Jow Wilson lied, he was caught lying, numerous times, but he says Bush lied, so you belive him. Nuff said on all this.
By the way only 1 in three inspectors believed that the labs weren't used for WMD production.. 33% of the panel.

66% believed otherwise.

I guess they were in Haliburtons pocket too eh?

[bishop]

Quote by: dan Do you have a source to support this? There was no terror "lurking" in Iraq until we sent troops there. For terror. Remember the "Shock and Awe"? Its called terrorism when they do it right? So we are, in fact promoting terrorism by invading sovereign nations which havent attacked or even threatened us.

you have to understand how propagandized some people have allowed themselves to be. he's doing nothing more than parroting the administration's bullshit - "lurking" is one of bush's favorite words to describe terrorists. like the friggin monster lurking under your bed while you sleep...

in the mindless world of black/white thinking bushbots, one side must be evil and the other side must be good.. it's definitely true that in this case BOTH sides are evil. and this isn't slander against the troops, but it is slander against the pieces of shit in the administration that sent them to war.

and this "piece of the puzzle" nonsense... talk about grasping at straws. when all else fails, fall back on some esoteric nonsense that is impossible to be quantified/qualified.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Jow Wilson lied, he was caught lying, numerous times, but he says Bush lied, so you belive him. Nuff said on all this.

Right. Run along now. We need to debate whether its presidential to intentionally avoid a report (for nearly a year) that contradicts the agenda for bloodshed.

[saif]

"Come on man, which is it? Super all powerful all knowing Bush who lied for oil? Or ignorant moron that is sooo stupid he's getting caught in a tangled web of lies that should be so obvious to all we should march on DC and demand he be impeached?"

That is a good point.. however, it could be that "Bush" isn't the last voice in this administration... I think that when you have the collection of neo-cons and complete followers, you have a real bad mix... Nixon, a crook himself had once said that donald rumsfeld was a vicious little bastard.... kind of scary coming from him..

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: saif "Come on man, which is it? Super all powerful all knowing Bush who lied for oil? Or ignorant moron that is sooo stupid he's getting caught in a tangled web of lies that should be so obvious to all we should march on DC and demand he be impeached?" That is a good point.. however, it could be that "Bush" isn't the last voice in this administration... I think that when you have the collection of neo-cons and complete followers, you have a real bad mix... Nixon, a crook himself had once said that donald rumsfeld was a vicious little bastard.... kind of scary coming from him..

You were quoting V in the first half of your post.
All that impeachment talk is just a waste of time until we get a power shift. You can bang your head against the WH gates until its just mush. Wont do any good until Dems get control of the House and/or Senate. Which is a very real possibility, numbers-wise. Unless we let them steal the power through fraud again.Dems only need 6 Senate seats and/or 15 House seats, this fall. The only way the republitards can win is to cheat. So we have to watch the election carefully.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: bishop you have to understand how propagandized some people have allowed themselves to be. he's doing nothing more than parroting the administration's bullshit - "lurking" is one of bush's favorite words to describe terrorists. like the friggin monster lurking under your bed while you sleep...

More and more people are snapping out of the trance, though. Approval ratings have been holding at about 35% for months now.

By Golly, those numbers almost call for Revolution!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio By the way only 1 in three inspectors believed that the labs weren't used for WMD production.. 33% of the panel. 66% believed otherwise.

Are you pulling that crap out of your butt? Read the underlined words below:

Link Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings <snip> The authors of the reports were nine U.S. and British civilian experts -- scientists and engineers with extensive experience in all the technical fields involved in making bioweapons -- who were dispatched to Baghdad by the Defense Intelligence Agency for an analysis of the trailers.

[gr8fuldaniel]

The contents of the final report, "Final Technical Engineering Exploitation Report on Iraqi Suspected Biological Weapons-Associated Trailers," remain classified. But interviews reveal that the technical team was unequivocal in its conclusion that the trailers were not intended to manufacture biological weapons.

unequivocal adj. Admitting of no doubt or misunderstanding; clear and unambiguous: an unequivocal success.

Odd that that word would be thrown into such a report that your fellow bloggers (I assume) that came up with these figures:

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio By the way only 1 in three inspectors believed that the labs weren't used for WMD production.. 33% of the panel. 66% believed otherwise.

Have a source for that?

[Scribbler1]

I have found REAL evidence of a vehicle proven to have been used for biological weapons:
They are also developing a more advanced mobile weapons lab taken from mosque blueprints.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Boetie Didn't you see my post? Bush Jr's method of operandi goes way back in his Texas days. He was the one that stood outside the door and told everyone that he would love to serve jury duty, while his lawyer at the same time is fighting to get Bush Jr off of jury duty. Let's fast forward to the present time. Bush Jr said he wanted find out as much as anyone else who leaked Plame's identity, meanwhile Bush Jr knew all along that he was the one that leaked the identity? The impression Bush Jr gave to the public is that he avoided war as much as he could. How can that be true if he cherry picked intel? The answer is, it doesn't hold true that he avoided war as much as he could, when he cherry picked intel and leaked that cherry picked intel to the public for the sole purpose of conning the public into war. Talking out of both sides of one's mouth makes one a liar. Mr Vichhio, Bush Jr is a liar and a criminal. This is not a mantra, it's the truth and the truth must be told.

Some of the stuff Sadam was doing was blatant, and outright. Having WMD was only a part. Dem/Libs can't argue about all of it, so they've made an issue out of truthfulness. Bush put all the pieces together, and decided going after Saddam was inevitable, so he did it.

I believe if the the American people had stuck behind this from the beginning right or wrong, we'd have been successful and it would be winding down. Keeping this rhetoric going has only made everything harder.

Who cares about Plame? Really? How many times did Clinton lie, and about a multitude of things, not just Lewinsky. Find me a President who hasn't.

Having this obessive hatred is very partisan for the most part, and i think that you hated him pretty much from the beginning. Most who are so against him did. There are some who voted for him, but it wasn't whole-heartedly, they just didn't like Gore, and then Kerry.

People generally do hate the President if they didn't vote for him. That's just human nature. So now with the war they feel justified to villify him. He actually seems like a pretty nice guy from what I've seen. Personable. Likeable. I think he'd have a hard time blatantly lying. I really do, just not in him. He's also very liberal in a lotta ways. Getting the Medicare Drug Program started. That may have to be tweaked, but he started it. No Child Left Behind. Lots of scores are up around here in the schools. The tax cuts. You really gotta love it. I know we were paying a lot more under Clinton.

Gas is high, and we need to get that down, but that's up to the people to some degree.

I gotta go. Be back later. :confused:

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: saif "Come on man, which is it? Super all powerful all knowing Bush who lied for oil? Or ignorant moron that is sooo stupid he's getting caught in a tangled web of lies that should be so obvious to all we should march on DC and demand he be impeached?" That is a good point.. however, it could be that "Bush" isn't the last voice in this administration... I think that when you have the collection of neo-cons and complete followers, you have a real bad mix... Nixon, a crook himself had once said that donald rumsfeld was a vicious little bastard.... kind of scary coming from him..

The government is able to keep secrets, and I will provide some examples. The Manhattan Project, the Stealth Fighter, and Stealth Bomber, Operation Northwoods are all good examples of secrecy staying intact because of military compartmentalization. Only the people who "need to know" are ever let in on the total plan, and that is how the secrets are kept with so many players in the game.


Ironically, Operation Northwoods was only disovered by using the Freedom of Information Act to investigate another conspiracy, the Kenedy assasination.


So Bush does not have to be all powerful, or all knowing, he just has to be in charge.

[bishop]

Quote by: marylin Some of the stuff Sadam was doing was blatant, and outright. Having WMD was only a part. Dem/Libs can't argue about all of it, so they've made an issue out of truthfulness. Bush put all the pieces together, and decided going after Saddam was inevitable, so he did it. I believe if the the American people had stuck behind this from the beginning right or wrong, we'd have been successful and it would be winding down. Keeping this rhetoric going has only made everything harder. Who cares about Plame? Really? How many times did Clinton lie, and about a multitude of things, not just Lewinsky. Find me a President who hasn't. Having this obessive hatred is very partisan for the most part, and i think that you hated him pretty much from the beginning. Most who are so against him did. There are some who voted for him, but it wasn't whole-heartedly, they just didn't like Gore, and then Kerry. People generally do hate the President if they didn't vote for him. That's just human nature. So now with the war they feel justified to villify him. He actually seems like a pretty nice guy from what I've seen. Personable. Likeable. I think he'd have a hard time blatantly lying. I really do, just not in him. He's also very liberal in a lotta ways. Getting the Medicare Drug Program started. That may have to be tweaked, but he started it. No Child Left Behind. Lots of scores are up around here in the schools. The tax cuts. You really gotta love it. I know we were paying a lot more under Clinton. Gas is high, and we need to get that down, but that's up to the people to some degree. I gotta go. Be back later.

sure.. if we all just put on our happy faces and cheered like good little cheerleaders, things like the administration's inept post-invasion planning wouldn't have made a difference at all. surely the criticism is what's turned iraq into a quagmire - couldn't possibly be anything attributable to the administration.

and it's definitely wonderful that you don't care about what bush did to plame.. i guess it's fine for the misleader in chief to expose undercover cia agents so long as it helps him further his war agenda..

heh, and yet another person thinking that you got a tax cut.. outstanding - kool aid all around! how are we paying for these "tax cuts", eh? by borrowing from the chinese, that's how. your little marylin junior's going to have the pleasure of paying back those debts in spades..

bush rules indeed... :rolleyes:

[Boetie]

Marilyn Monroe posts: I believe if the the American people had stuck behind this from the beginning right or wrong, we'd have been successful and it would be winding down. Keeping this rhetoric going has only made everything harder.

You think staying with wrong from the beginning will turn out successful. What is going on over there has nothing to do with sticking with wrong. What is going on over there is a power play that looks to be escalting into a civil war. The people involved in this civil war agree on one thing and that is Americans go home.

One side wants a strong central government the other side wants a weak central government. How do you resolve this? The answer is you can't, that is why a civil war may very well break out.

As far as holding Bush Jr accountable, what if he told the people that going to war in Iraq will cause a civil war over there? A civil war that we cannot control. Would we march to war anyway? Bush Jr lied about candy and flowers, he lied, people died.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: bishop sure.. if we all just put on our happy faces and cheered like good little cheerleaders, things like the administration's inept post-invasion planning wouldn't have made a difference at all. surely the criticism is what's turned iraq into a quagmire - couldn't possibly be anything attributable to the administration. and it's definitely wonderful that you don't care about what bush did to plame.. i guess it's fine for the misleader in chief to expose undercover cia agents so long as it helps him further his war agenda.. heh, and yet another person thinking that you got a tax cut.. outstanding - kool aid all around! how are we paying for these "tax cuts", eh? by borrowing from the chinese, that's how. your little marylin junior's going to have the pleasure of paying back those debts in spades.. bush rules indeed... :rolleyes:

I stand by my opinions. :eek:

Plame was what a secretary? I don't think he did anything to her. Her husband was a bit of a weasel too, if I'm not mistaken.

Oh we've had debt since the 70's, come off it.

A Democrat will come along and raise all those taxes lickety split. I would bet on it.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe I stand by my opinions. :eek: Plame was what a secretary? I don't think he did anything to her. Her husband was a bit of a weasel too, if I'm not mistaken.

You are VERY mistaken. Plame (Wilson) was an undercover CIA AGENT whose cover was that she worked for an "energy consultant". Kind of like 007 working for Universal Exports.
As for her husband: "As acting ambassador to Iraq in the run-up to the first Gulf War, he was the last US diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein, in 1991.
He very publicly defied the Iraqi strongman by giving refuge to more than 100 US citizens at the embassy and in the homes of US diplomats - at a time when Saddam Hussein was threatening to execute anyone who harboured foreigners.
He then addressed journalists wearing a hangman's noose instead of a necktie.
He later told the Washington Post newspaper that the message to Saddam Hussein was: "If you want to execute me, I'll bring my own [expletive] rope."

He returned to the headlines 12 years later, when he revealed in 2003 that he was the envoy sent to Africa to investigate reports that the Iraqi president had tried to buy nuclear material there.

He reported privately after his February 2002 trip to the African state of Niger that the allegation was not true - but it appeared in President George W Bush's State of the Union address 11 months later anyway. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3156166.stm

Doesn't sound much like a weasel to me.

You have every right to stand by your opinions but with glaring errors like that your credibility is bound to suffer.

[triggerfish]

So you say the mobile WMD ( NBC's 0 that nuclear, biological, chemical for you youngster and far moore accurate by the way. Think about it, that maniac Saddam has 14 months to destroy, bury, move, sell or otherwise get rid of these NBC's.. It is my humble opinion that he DID have NBC's prior to the war; why would he not come forth with the fact? Why would he destroy his reputation, his people and country just to prove a farce? In either case weather in fact he did have them or not a man who was willing to 1. hide the fact he did have them or 2. the fact he did not and was willing to allow hundreds of thousands of faithful Iraqis to die for a lie indicates to me a man whho; in time. would be more than willing to aquire and use NBC"s against his most vile enemy. Israel. What do you think. President Bush in either case did the right thing, take out a vile, filthy, evil maniac, WWIII starting, world ending megalomaniac. He would have bombed Isreal as will Itran if they aquire the atomic bomb. Of this you can be assured. I wrote this fast so forgive me for my misspelling.