Who do you vote for (now).

[Technosoul]

With the knowledge you now have in hindsite, which canidate would you now vote for - as President of the USA.

[PatrickHenry]

I don't favor anyone who wants government to be the solution. Gimme a guy who will uphold the Tenth Amendment...

[Sonart]

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Al Gore was 15 years ahead of the curve on visualising the two biggests global trends now affecting mankind today... the Internet age (and it's resulting reality, globalism) and Global Warming. It might be nice to have someone running things who has such vision on entering the 21st century.... not returning us to the 19th.


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[phoenix_fire]

Anyone familiar with Futurama?



(I picked "none of the above". I'm far too cynical to actually vote for any of the choices.)

[underbear1]

I prefer Feingold, but I could support Biden, or Kerry, Hillary is beyond how far I can stretch, she'd have to do some MAJOR repair work with the LGBT community for my support.

[Milton Bradley]

My choices are limited to the Cabal of Incumbents again?


Thanks, but no thanks.

[whoracle]

Quote by: Sonart Al Gore was 15 years ahead of the curve on visualising the two biggests global trends now affecting mankind today... the Internet age (and it's resulting reality, globalism) and Global Warming. It might be nice to have someone running things who has such vision on entering the 21st century.... not returning us to the 19th.

I could almost get a leg into that boat if said someone didn't claim invention rights to the former.

At this point, even if Kerry landed on what *I'd* call the right side of every single issue, I still couldn't stomache a vote for him.

As for Hillary, I hate to think of how many votes she'd get for no other reason than novelty. Well that and deluded feminist groups. More often than not these days I find myself wishing I weren't lumped into the group called female.

What about Bayh?

[Osborn F Enready]

None of the above.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: whoracle I could almost get a leg into that boat if said someone didn't claim invention rights to the former.

Whoracle, please don't fall for this bit of urban legend. Gore never claimed any such thing. He was asked in an interview, as a candidate for President, to provide a spur of the moment list of his accomplishments. He told the exact truth, if perhaps failing to define 'Internet' as the modern, WWW Internet that the 95% of Americans who are not computer geeks understand it.

Here's what Vinton Cert and Robert Kahn, the "Fathers of the Internet", said about Al Gore's contribution...

--"Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively “invented” the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore’s contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.."--

You can read the link for a comprehensive list of how Gore, during his years of "service in the United States Congress... took the initiative in creating the Internet.”

Heck,.given that so many Clinton opponents claim that the Clinton economic boom had more to do with the explosion of the dot.com industry (dot.com being Internet based businesses), then we should actually be calling it the Al Gore boom.

While I agree that Technosoul has given us a rather short list of candidates, it just happens that one of them matches my personal "wish list".

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[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Sonart . Whoracle, please don't fall for this bit of urban legend. Gore never claimed any such thing. He was asked in an interview, as a candidate for President, to provide a spur of the moment list of his accomplishments. He told the exact truth, if perhaps failing to define 'Internet' as the modern, WWW Internet that the 95% of Americans who are not computer geeks understand it. Here's what Vinton Cert and Robert Kahn, the "Fathers of the Internet", said about Al Gore's contribution... --"Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development. No one person or even small group of persons exclusively “invented” the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore’s contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.."-- You can read the link for a comprehensive list of how Gore, during his years of "service in the United States Congress... took the initiative in creating the Internet.” Heck,.given that so many Clinton opponents claim that the Clinton economic boom had more to do with the explosion of the dot.com industry (dot.com being Internet based businesses), then we should actually be calling it the Al Gore boom. While I agree that Technosoul has given us a rather short list of candidates, it just happens that one of them matches my personal "wish list". .

Nice post.


These are pretty much the facts as I understood them as well. Al got a bad rap on that vague quote, but he had a few other slip ups that helped the media portray him in a bad light about that. ( Remember, his sister was "the first Peace Corp. volunteer", or the "I live on a farm" quotes? )


Why don't you fire off a letter to local paper about the facts behind the economic turnaround. It would be interesting to see if the media picked up on the subtle irony in labeling it the Clinton Boom.


Might just help your boy gain a little influence just befor election time.

[Technosoul]

The reason for the "short list" of canidates to pick from is because I was not creating a "new election" but intended for this to be "in hindsite". In other words, if you knew back then what you now know about how Bush has handled things during his term - back then during the past two elections - would you have changed your vote back then to put Gore or Kerry into office instead.

I also added "nobody" because Republicans have only one choice and if they (now) would not vote for Bush and if they don't like Democrats, they got nobody left.

Hmm? Of course they could have put down Gore and at least they would have gotten a Vice President that is more Republican then Democrat. Right?

Sorry, I overlooked Pat Robinson.

At present count Bush is winning this poll by a landslide - what? Sorry, no recounts allowed. (hee hee).

Keep voting - this is a limited time offer.

[bishop]

i also voted for gore, although i wouldn't say he'd be my most preferred choice. unfortunately, he seems to have been the best candidate in retrospect. i could've stomached some of his other policies in the hope that he wouldn't have made decisions remotely similar to bush.. and, i didn't care for any of the third party candidates. i opposed them despite the fact that i went to libertarian and green party rallies (i wanted to hear what they had to say in person).

at the end of the day, though, jersey voted for gore in the electoral college - and gore won by a sizeable majority.

[Technosoul]

It is still a fact in my book that Gore would have won in Fla, if you counted all the blacks that were domocratic and who were not allowed to vote (because they were put on the black list by mistake - due to law that no one who has a felony record can vote). And if you counted all the Jewish votes that accidently went to Pat Robinson because the way the form was designed, and if a relative of Bush was not employed at Fox TV.

The scientific exit polls conducted by all other news stations showed Gore as the winner, even with the loss of some votes from the mostly democratic black community, I believe those exit polls told the truth even if the stations went along wiht Fox and withdrew their announcments

But it is way to late to go into that matter again, and besides some posters would just call me a cry baby. (like the did Gore and others who wanted a recount).

[Technosoul]

One problem is that a really intelligent person often sounds to boreing and that turns voters off.

Also, people like to blame the govenment for all thier personal woes, and so they vote for the bimbo who they feel will fit the bill, and better yet if he has a face that could be used to make funny cartoon drawings out of. So voters do not want someone who could really solve problems, but someone that they can blame for all thier problems - what better man for the job then Bush? Well, I guess that all depands on what kind of problems you want to assign a President fault too.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Milton Bradley ( Remember, his sister was "the first Peace Corp. volunteer", or the "I live on a farm" quotes? )

See? You've fallen for Bush's massive underground campaign of painting Bush as a liar by making lies out of things that simply sounded implausible if stated a certain way. You two examples point this out clearly...

His sister in the Peace Corp. -- Gore's sister Nancy was among the first volunteer workers who actually set up the Peace Corp back in 1960, long before they actually began sending kids overseas.

Working on the farm -- while Gore did go to school in Washington DC, he spent his summers working on the family's Tennessee farm, doing exactly the chores he said he did. I'd think that puts him more in touch with farmlife than 95% of Americans.

Face it, Milton, Gore was the victim of a campaign in which the Republicans found it politically expedient to tie Gore to Bill Clinton's reputation of telling lies. They simply cherry picked his statements for anything that sounded, or could be made to sound, implausible and created mountains out of it. In other words, he was "Swift Boated". Alas, Gore lacked Clinton's ability to swiftly counter opposition rumor mongering.

Quote by: Technosoul One problem is that a really intelligent person often sounds to boreing and that turns voters off.

Indeed. Modern, media-fueled elections have become cult of personality competitions.

Quote by: Technosoul The reason for the "short list" of canidates to pick from is because I was not creating a "new election" but intended for this to be "in hindsite".

Fair enough, but given that Kerry was a pretty bad candidate under any circumstances, and Gore ran a fairly anemic campaign, methinks this is sort of wistful thinking rather than cause for serious discussion.

GIVEN THAT, however, perhaps there is a lesson here. In any election we're given the candidates we're given. Wishing there were better candidates or for your favorite guy to be running seems to be an excercise in futility.

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[Cephus]

I said Kerry only because he's who I voted for in the last election, and then I was only voting against Bush. I don't think Kerry would have made a particularly good President, but a ficus would have made a better President than Bush.

At the moment, I can't think of many politicians who I think would make decent Presidents.

[phoenix_fire]

Well, Kerry was a particularly uninteresting ficus.

[Scribbler1]

I agree with Underbear. I could support Biden as well. Whether or not you like him, he has remained pretty consistent over the years and shows a pragmatic side I can support.

But he's a Democrat so I will probably go with "none". The only way I could support a Democrat for president is if the GOP candidate appears to be a potential landslide winner. And about a dozen people will do the same if I go Dem.

[RVonse]

Quote by: Sonart . Al Gore was 15 years ahead of the curve on visualising the two biggests global trends now affecting mankind today... the Internet age (and it's resulting reality, globalism) and Global Warming. It might be nice to have someone running things who has such vision on entering the 21st century.... not returning us to the 19th. .

Not to mention that Gore actually has a brain inside of his head.

[Technosoul]

Results so far - most people would not vote for any of the canidates - otherwise the votes are neck and neck - close to what took place during the last two elections. However, the demos had to split their votes up between Kerry and Gore, making Bush close to ether one as the single Rebublican.

Not sure how to call it - the total of all voters for democrat canidates would outnumber those who voted for Bush. But by popular votes "nobody" won the approval of the majority.