Don't let Congress poison the planet.

[Osborn F Enready]

Tell Them Not to OK Research on Toxic Herbicide Dear Mike, Congress is considering a drug war idea so bad that even Drug Czar John Walters is against it. The House has authorized, and the Senate is considering, a proposal to revive research on the use of toxic, mold-like fungi called mycoherbicides to kill drug crops in other countries. (This is part of the UN plan to remove marijuana from the PLANET) Tell Congress it's a bad idea! Mycoherbicides have already been extensively studied over the last thirty years - and the results make it clear that they are not an option for controlling crops of coca or opium poppies. They attack indiscriminately, destroying fruit and vegetable crops, causing open sores and feminization in reptiles and other animals, and sickening humans as well. The toxins mycoherbicides produce contaminate soil for years, so that nothing can grow where they have been. Mycoherbicides are so destructive that governments have even stockpiled them as weapons! Incredibly, the proposal now before Congress advocates using mycoherbicides in "field studies" in countries such as Colombia and Afghanistan - something the world would certainly see as an act of biological warfare. Office of National Drug Control Policy head John Walters spoke out against further mycoherbicide research last year, but this terrible proposal is now part of the ONDCP Reauthorization Act. We need to make sure the Senate removes the mycoherbicide research language from the bill before it passes! Let your Senators know that renewed mycoherbicide research is both unnecessary and dangerous! For more information on mycoherbicides, read the new report commissioned by DPA, "Repeating Mistakes of the Past: Another Mycoherbicide Research Bill."

I urge you all to take a stand on this and DEMAND your congressperson to vote this down, and ANYTHING like it. This is simply unjust in every meaning of the word.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Well, first off you got a source for this??

Secondly, do you have an oppposing viewpoint source for this?

Third... if they had a SAFE way to kill MJ, Cocao and Opiate plants, would you be for or against it?

[Osborn F Enready]

Vic said: Well, first off you got a source for this??

I say:
Yes, here it is.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/homepage.cfm

Vic said: Secondly, do you have an oppposing viewpoint source for this?

I say:
No, its tough to find a viewpoint that supports killing of large portions of people in the name of trying to eradicate a useful, medicinal, societally valuable, natural vegetable.

So short answer...... NO!

Vic said: Third... if they had a SAFE way to kill MJ, Cocao and Opiate plants, would you be for or against it?

I say:
I am against the extermination of any natural substances, or species, unless it can't be stopped.

What possible rationalization other than "feeling better about ourselves" could justify such an act?

(ugh)

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready What possible rationalization other than "feeling better about ourselves" could justify such an act?

The old " I told you so".


Face it, we have proven them to be two faced liars, and now the only answer is eradication. Surprisingly, the Nazi's chose to eradicate the vegetables, and not it's users. I suppose that will be the next step along the road should this endeavor fail.

[Osborn F Enready]

Milton said: I suppose that will be the next step along the road should this endeavor fail.

I say:
Assuming neutering through political marginalization and propaganda isn't enough......

[Osborn F Enready]

The drug war alone, as it is now, costs the American Taxpayers 69 Billion dollars per year, which equates to $430.00 per years roughly per WORKER, per year.

When the drug war started officially, 1.3 percent of the population was considered to be "harmfully addicted to drugs". Currently, as has the average remained almost constant, we still have 1.3 percent of the population "harmfully addicted to drugs".

What is the difference? How many people are in jail for unconstitutional laws, that were non-violent, active, contributing citizens. Now those once non-violent, active, contributing citizens have been "wronged" by the courts, and the people who STAND for it to continue, and they are being kept in circulation with hard-corps, repeat offenders, learning their trades through contempt for government (due to being wronged).

How can people stand peacefully while this happens?

How many people know someone who has been arrested, or imprisoned over non-violent drug crimes?

WE MUST STOP THIS MADNESS AS A WORLD OF PEOPLE, not a nation of people.

Reject prohibition of all sorts, except those prohibitions on behaviour that violates the rights of others.

STAND UP for all who you see wronged by this system, with your vote by jury, vote as a citizen to STAND UP when you see another be wronged against their will, whether by policeman or by criminal.

This is madness......

[Osborn F Enready]

rdnor said: Last year I was taking chemo

I say:
I also forgot to mention, I am glad to be having the opprotunity to talk to you. I hope you are doing better and life now finds you in a more stable place?

[Scribbler1]

Maybe the CIA isn't getting a big enough piece of the action so they decided to eradicate the supply until a more "cooperative" supplier shows up. It's not like demand will go away because of this, or ANY other scheme to eradicate a plant and it's not like the government really BELIEVES they will be ABLE to wipe these plants off the face of the Earth.

We have a problem with foreign plants and animals which have slipped into this country and are harming native species. Plants mixed in with agriculture or exotic pets are introduced to this country and spread unchecked.
The government has so far been unable to do much to stop the spread of these plants and animals so what makes them think they can eradicate plants that drugs are made from.

I'm sure it is only news for the sheep to consume, so they can continue to sleep comfortably, safe in the knowledge their country is doing something about the awful drug problem. The MOST this could do is shift the economic benefit of drug-producing crops to another country.

[Mr.Vicchio]

I only asked questions Osborn.

Also, finding opposing viewpoints probably is easier then you think, I'll try when I get home from work, jsut to see if your source is as accurate as you think, or if this is fear mongering. (I am not saying it is, but those are rather sensational claims and I would like to see what the other side of the coin has to say first, to get the whole story)

[Osborn F Enready]

Scribbler said: Maybe the CIA isn't getting a big enough piece of the action so they decided to eradicate the supply until a more "cooperative" supplier shows up. It's not like demand will go away because of this, or ANY other scheme to eradicate a plant and it's not like the government really BELIEVES they will be ABLE to wipe these plants off the face of the Earth.

I say:
The government would just be acting as it did when it made marijuana illegal in the first place. It would be eliminating competition for their "pet supporters" and "financiers" the drug companies, the chemical industry, and the monopoly on public health.

Scribbler said: We have a problem with foreign plants and animals which have slipped into this country and are harming native species. Plants mixed in with agriculture or exotic pets are introduced to this country and spread unchecked. The government has so far been unable to do much to stop the spread of these plants and animals so what makes them think they can eradicate plants that drugs are made from.

I say:
That shows how hollow their "benevolence" and "intrest" is, as with all facts dealing with these corrupt assholes.

Scribbler said: I'm sure it is only news for the sheep to consume, so they can continue to sleep comfortably, safe in the knowledge their country is doing something about the awful drug problem. The MOST this could do is shift the economic benefit of drug-producing crops to another country.

I say:
And don't forget what it will due to consumers, as well as the RESTRENGTHENING of the black market, that is already bigger than all of law enforcement.

Guess that would be a good reason to extort more dollars for more law enforcement woudln't it?


F-ing sheeple piss me off.

[Osborn F Enready]

Vic said: I only asked questions Osborn. Also, finding opposing viewpoints probably is easier then you think, I'll try when I get home from work, jsut to see if your source is as accurate as you think, or if this is fear mongering. (I am not saying it is, but those are rather sensational claims and I would like to see what the other side of the coin has to say first, to get the whole story)

I say:
I would applaud you for doing it in the name of true intrest, and truth. However, I think in this case you will probably be doing it out of spite, and joy of playing devils advocate.



We will see I suppose. The proof is indeed in the pudding.

Anyone wanna make a bet as to what the "facts" show, and how much they differ bewteen govt. funded studies, and independent studies?

nah..... I'd be taking candy from babies.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Third... if they had a SAFE way to kill MJ, Cocao and Opiate plants, would you be for or against it?

I think the answer is obvious for anyone who respects private property.

[Technosoul]

One of the biggest crops in California is Pot, and it grows wild as well as by human planting, as any Nam vet can tell you it is all over the Asian areas as well.

I am totally agenst the use of the plan stated, expecially because it is strayed form the air (airplanes). The impact on the environment would be reason enough to ban such a notion.

Drug users would just turn to some other designer drug and so such efforts would not effect the drug market that much.

Many of the poorer people in South Ameirca chew on the coca leaves for two reasons, it can kill the harmful organisems found in the water they must drink from thier water supply, and it aids digestive tracks. The chewing of those plants can also reduce the effects of hunger as an apatite depresser, which they need to work long hours with little food to eat (being poor).

The above report was supplied by biologist Terrence MeKenna and his studies about natural plants in South Ameirca and thier useage by shaman tribes.

The plan to use that agent chemical has been in the works since the 1970s and the plan has been protested agenst by a number of scientific and human rights groups.

The war on nature must stop.

[Osborn F Enready]

Most people don't know that Hemp, used to be a FORCED national crop in this nation.

Most people also don't know how it became illegalized, or why.

That is the shame of it all.

[PatrickHenry]

It's a systemic, long-standing issue of the politics of Empire, Osborn.

Lawrence Summers, when he was president of the World Bank thought that polluting the third world was economically beneficial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summers_Memo
Maybe bishop would agree...

In this excerpt, the memo advanced an economic argument for the dumping of pollution from First World countries in the territory of Third World countries

It's an objectification of people and the natural world that is at the root of modern philosophy. I'm currently reading Derek Jensen's book, The Culture of Make Believe that makes just this point...

[Osborn F Enready]

I will have to check that book at the Library and see if they have it yet.

Sounds like a good book.

Thanks Pat.