Mother Nature makes political statement?

[Technosoul]

Many webpages contain weather reports about the big freeze now happening. I noticed on the MSN web server page that I use to get here that currently the south and midwest was battled by hail storms and tornados, and 27 people died in that cold rush from out of Alaska. Meanwhile other news sources reported that Britain is snowed in with a major storm.

Other news reported that winter might last longer then expected and what you should do to be prepared.

What has this got to do with politics you might ask - what is there to debate about some weather report, you might wonder?

It is political because many scientists warned the Bush people about potential climate changes due to the side effects of fosil oil burning. But they did not listen to those warnings and now the storms are upon us big time - and getting worse each season.

I also reported that Mother Nature would send a warning in the way of cold weather and high winds as a warning notice not to drill for oil in Alaskan wildlife areas. That predicted warning would be a poltical statement being made by Mother Nature. I posted it here in the poltical section but it was promptly moved over to "any goes" forum where it now remains - gaining little attention. Of course, just like those scientific reports, the warnings continued to go unheeded by the Bush people. In spite of the fact that the warning notice I predicted did occur no one seems at all concerned about such things in political circles. They think it is all just hogwash.

I think that global warming is and should be a hot political topic, what do you think? (hurry and answer before this post is relocated).

It is time to get political about this topic - and lets debate about environmental topics just like we would debate about taxes, wars, and other such news breaking stories.

So what do you think about the poltical statements reported about on your weather channel?

[tman_ndsu08]

There's only one possible solution. We need to spend a large amount of time and money to drill as much oil out of Alaska as we can.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Technosoul Many webpages contain weather reports about the big freeze now happening. I noticed on the MSN web server page that I use to get here that currently the south and midwest was battled by hail storms and tornados, and 27 people died in that cold rush from out of Alaska. Meanwhile other news sources reported that Britain is snowed in with a major storm.

Indeed... I was listening to NPR this morning, and apparently Hawaii is experiencing weather unlike anything they've ever experienced before... unending rain, water spouts, tornados, landslides. Apparently they had to shut down parts of Waikiki because the sewage system flooded out.

Quote by: tman We need to spend a large amount of time and money to drill as much oil out of Alaska as we can.

Nope... no agenda there. :rolleyes:

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[tman_ndsu08]

I've had an agenda since I've been on this board: end government regulation.

[Technosoul]

I agree that the government and the "of the people" people should stop miss-regulating nature. We assigned that land in Alaska as a safe zone for wildlife, we should not be a "indian giver" and break that treaty.

More rain is on the way for the USA and that will bring the potential for more flooding, high winds, and snow.

Hawaii was indeed damaged by these weather events - record breaking storms which they have not experienced during the last 50 years.

You might recall the tidal waves that struck asia, the huriacanes that hit our own south east. On top of that we got earthquakes, volcanos, and fires.

Iran just had a number of big earthquakes as they announced they are joining the arms race to become another superpower.

Now if you are worried about governmental regulation, you ain't seen nothin' util you experience some good old 'regulation' from Mother Nature - remember "big sister" is watching and the purpsoe of nature is to keep things in balance, the weather is out of balance because man-made polution and so forth is out of balance and out of control and that is impacting nature, so we are seeing a countering response.

Now we got some people who are pro-big business and the concepts of progress at any cost, and a belief that capitalism is something more then it should be. They are at war with nature and they even hate those who warn them to "stop the attack before it is too late".

The poke jokes at us and call us "Chicken Little". But preventing smog and other abnormalities is a political undertaking, not something the car makers would do "out of thier own sense of wisdom" because profit is their only motivation.

If I posted this in the religion and philosophy forums people would just jump in and claim it is all about the "book of revelations" and the "end times". And that it "must be". Which is the kind of thinking that now has influenced some of our political people who use that as a reason to do nothing about this problem. And that is wrong. Keep those religious concepts about doomsday out of our poltical and governmental policy making. And that also goes for the politcal hacks over in Iran as well.

Can we really win a war with nature? Nature is the superpower of all powers, nature can use earthquakes, earth shifts, high winds, hail and snow, icebergs, volcanos, tidal waves, hurricanes, heat and dry spells, lightening bolts, and an army of micro organizems such as the "bird flu".

Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr Jones?

How long will of political representives turn away and pretend as if 'nothing is happening'?

They laughed a Noah in that old mytholocial story, called him Chicken Little, and look what happened to that population. God saved the animals but not all those political people.

So tell me about the 'cycles of nature' and that this is all "normal stuff" and I will tell you about the great flood. And that it is "preventable". Believe it.

It's your future, it's your money, it's your government. But not your "mother nature" - you don't really own that at all, even if you are poltically led to beleive that is the case.

[Osborn F Enready]

Last I checked, Mother Nature had no political representation.

Maybe the bitch should pay taxes..... ROFLMAO

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Last I checked, Mother Nature had no political representation. Maybe the bitch should pay taxes..... ROFLMAO

That was funny - but you gave me little substance to respond too.

Did you really conduct a check or was that a big fib?

But lets explore that reasoning anyway. Tress don't pay taxes, ducks don't pay taxes, a moose does not pay taxes. Dophins do not pay taxes.

So one might ask, why must we have cans of "dolphin safe" tuna when they got no representation and they do not pay taxes to get such representation? Why should the fishing industry be regulated by governrments when they pay taxes and the Dolphins get off scott free?

The spotted owl paid no taxes and they did not even take part in the last election to vote for their buddy Al Gore. So why should the logging industry be regulated to save some endangered creature like that?

Does Green Peace pay taxes, or is that one of those tax-except organizations like the Christian chruch? Should tax exempt groups expect representation?

What about the poltical party you belong too - as a organization does it pay taxes? Gee, it is a endangered party and they might vanish - oh my gosh.

So to make a long story short, what are your real political views about protecting the environment or wildlife areas?

[Osborn F Enready]

Techno said: That was funny - but you gave me little substance to respond too.

I say:
It was supposed to be funny, in an ironic way.

I apologize, I should not have posted since it was not conducive to debate.

[Mr.Vicchio]

It's all George Bush's fault.

He didn't sign the Kyoto Accords, which would have saved the world from Mother Nature.

But now, she's getting revenge, because we all know, that Kyoto was a samashing success everywhere it's being tried, if ONLY Bush had signed it too.

This has nothing to do with ya know... normal weather changeing patterns or anything like that. It's the Earth getting revenge on America for voting in that evil (insert deep whispered bush!!).

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Technosoul I agree that the government and the "of the people" people should stop miss-regulating nature. We assigned that land in Alaska as a safe zone for wildlife, we should not be a "indian giver" and break that treaty. More rain is on the way for the USA and that will bring the potential for more flooding, high winds, and snow. Hawaii was indeed damaged by these weather events - record breaking storms which they have not experienced during the last 50 years. You might recall the tidal waves that struck asia, the huriacanes that hit our own south east. On top of that we got earthquakes, volcanos, and fires. Iran just had a number of big earthquakes as they announced they are joining the arms race to become another superpower. Now if you are worried about governmental regulation, you ain't seen nothin' util you experience some good old 'regulation' from Mother Nature - remember "big sister" is watching and the purpsoe of nature is to keep things in balance, the weather is out of balance because man-made polution and so forth is out of balance and out of control and that is impacting nature, so we are seeing a countering response. Now we got some people who are pro-big business and the concepts of progress at any cost, and a belief that capitalism is something more then it should be. They are at war with nature and they even hate those who warn them to "stop the attack before it is too late". The poke jokes at us and call us "Chicken Little". But preventing smog and other abnormalities is a political undertaking, not something the car makers would do "out of thier own sense of wisdom" because profit is their only motivation. If I posted this in the religion and philosophy forums people would just jump in and claim it is all about the "book of revelations" and the "end times". And that it "must be". Which is the kind of thinking that now has influenced some of our political people who use that as a reason to do nothing about this problem. And that is wrong. Keep those religious concepts about doomsday out of our poltical and governmental policy making. And that also goes for the politcal hacks over in Iran as well. Can we really win a war with nature? Nature is the superpower of all powers, nature can use earthquakes, earth shifts, high winds, hail and snow, icebergs, volcanos, tidal waves, hurricanes, heat and dry spells, lightening bolts, and an army of micro organizems such as the "bird flu". Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you Mr Jones? How long will of political representives turn away and pretend as if 'nothing is happening'? They laughed a Noah in that old mytholocial story, called him Chicken Little, and look what happened to that population. God saved the animals but not all those political people. So tell me about the 'cycles of nature' and that this is all "normal stuff" and I will tell you about the great flood. And that it is "preventable". Believe it. It's your future, it's your money, it's your government. But not your "mother nature" - you don't really own that at all, even if you are poltically led to beleive that is the case.

*yawn*

Oh no...doomsday!

Blah blah blah.



Technology > nature.

Bring it on nature, you pathetic bitch.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Mr.Vicchio It's all George Bush's fault. He didn't sign the Kyoto Accords, which would have saved the world from Mother Nature.

Nah, it's Bill Clinton's fault, cuz he got a blowjob.

What's this fixation with Kyoto, Mr.V? Has anyone here mentioned it even once? Does Kyoto mean that global warming really isn't happening?

Quote by: tman Bring it on nature, you pathetic bitch.

:) :) Irony is just lost on you, isn't it, tman. Let's see... who else famously said "Bring it on!" and is wishing to hell they hadn't? Wait, wait... don't tell me...... I'm sure it'll come to me........


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[Mr.Vicchio]

Kyoto was the "world answer" to Global Warming.

The earth's climate changes, it has in the past, it will today,a nd it will change in the future. Why does this cause people such consternation?

Seriously?

[phoenix_fire]

Wait, we're saying in the same breath that unseasonably cold weather and global warming are due to the same cause? Does this seem illogical to anyone else?

I mean, I dislike Bush as much as anyone else on this board with maybe a few exceptions for the rabid, but I'm not going to say that he single-handedly caused Katrina to form and to hit Louisiana. From what some of the liberals want to say, he has some kind of weather machine hidden somewhere.

As to the environment, from what I've read, many other countries are far worse offenders than the US. In places like China and India, the rivers run iridescent apparently. You can bet they probably aren't nearly as heavily regulated as the US. I will try to find the link. I don't have it off the top of my head.

[westcoastdog]

One of the consequences of global warming is more extreme weather. However there may be no discernible pattern to extreme storms, except hurricanes and tornadoes, and we have to focus on the trends. During the past decade the earth has experienced a number of "hottest" years since temperature measurements began. Also, extended multi-year droughts have occurred in the southwest here, the southeast in Australia, and the horn of Africa. Then there are the retreating glaciers and the reduction of arctic ice year after year.

If the temperatures in the gulf rise again to record levels, 2006 could be a repeat of the 2005 hurricane season.

There is a new graffiti going around the world, "UNF..K THE EARTH." Some fear it may be too late.

This is a political subject because the remedies involve our way life.

[grandpa]

Quote by: westcoastdog One of the consequences of global warming is more extreme weather. However there may be no discernible pattern to extreme storms, except hurricanes and tornadoes, and we have to focus on the trends.

That's why "climate change" is perhaps a better term.

Grandpa h.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: westcoastdog If the temperatures in the gulf rise again to record levels, 2006 could be a repeat of the 2005 hurricane season.

So move away from the damn coast.

Would it kill you to live inland?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Quote by: westcoastdog If the temperatures in the gulf rise again to record levels, 2006 could be a repeat of the 2005 hurricane season. So move away from the damn coast. Would it kill you to live inland?

As noted the water temperatures can generate more energy for a hurricane to feed upon in the gulf of Mexico when they become warmer. there-by causing stronger winds and more rain then when the water is at normal temperatures.

The event called global warming has to do with the warming of ocean temperatures, not the warming of the air, as some uninformed persons might have thought.

It is normal for the pratical sounding Republicans to say something like "well, then move inland". They have such one-liner answers for all kinds of debate topics. But such logic is totally pointless relative to this issue.

How are you going to move the harbor inland? That golf harbor is where all the oil tankers dock and where many of our refineries are located, plus they have a few off shore oil wells. That hurricane struck directly at the heart of the oil trade (relative to the USA). Right after much of the oil facilities were damaged or interupted by that last big hurricane the oil companies raised the price of oil and we are now paying for those higher costs - throughout the country, not just near where the hurricane hit. Plus, since you do not know much about hurricanes, the storm continued inland and flooded many other states and caused spin-off tornados in it's path. Move inland eh? I can hardly reframe from calling your remarks stupid but in respect of the Volconvo rules I will hold my peace.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Techno said: That was funny - but you gave me little substance to respond too. I say: It was supposed to be funny, in an ironic way. I apologize, I should not have posted since it was not conducive to debate.

That is okay - I like someone with a sense of humor. Then I assume your political party has no platform to deal with, or to comment on, all the evirnomental topics that we are now confronted with in our nation. If such is the case then it is clear they are not prepared to assume any important offices in Washington DC.

[tman_ndsu08]

Is there demand for oil? Yes.


In that case, worry not. All is well.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Ya know the earth has been around for several billion years, we have been keeping temp records for how long?

Ya... les freak out over the numbers shall we?