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riciglia1 · Apr 13, 2004, 10:14 pm

Should we allow the government to conduct new tests using machines on humans by implanting microchips into their brains and controlling them via machines?

riciglia1 · Apr 13, 2004, 10:14 pm

btw my source is ap

Aequo · Apr 13, 2004, 10:33 pm

If they are willing and are told the risks, real and imagined, yes.

riciglia1 · Apr 13, 2004, 10:38 pm

ha but heres the thing they are doing that to eople without the use of their brains, they are severe invalids with mental dehabilition. Who gives permission for them, or does the government get the right to just take them as guinea pigs?

RightThinker · Apr 13, 2004, 10:42 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (riciglia1,)
Should we allow the government to conduct new tests using machines on humans by implanting microchips into their brains and controlling them via machines?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

What are you talking about? Give me an article or something. Sounds like science fiction to me.

riciglia1 · Apr 13, 2004, 10:51 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...rain_implants_2

its says they are going to use invalids to test machine powered brain implanet which will ultimatley control the body and not them

RightThinker · Apr 13, 2004, 10:58 pm

Thank you for clearing that up. The way you said it threw me off. That is pretty scary though if you look at it the way you are. I am not too sure if that is good or bad. It would be a far stretch to thinks that the computer would malfunction and cause an invalid to go on a murderous rampage.

riciglia1 · Apr 13, 2004, 11:03 pm

lol kinda like frankensteins monster. In theory the invalid would be controled by the machine and not its body so theoretically with time the government might corrupt this new technology for bad purposes or like you said the freak accident might occur and we will have no way of stopping a monster.

PatrickHenry · Apr 13, 2004, 11:12 pm

Interesting topic. If the research is to allow those with physical impairments to interact and have some control over their environment, I'm all for it.

When I first saw the topic listed, I thought of the other, more sinister experimentation that has been whispered at length. Stuff about mind control. That technology apparently works the other way, with the implant having the control over the person. I know I'm gonna get a lickin' for this post, but when the CIA has so many true believers bedazzled and a $30 billion annual budget, anything is possible.

Does anyone think they're too ethical for such a thing?
http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultradocs.htm

Anyway, it's off the thread...

RightThinker · Apr 13, 2004, 11:18 pm

CIA of the MKULTRA days was much different. They had different things to deal with as far as the media goes. They are not so stupid now. If experiments are being done you can bet it would be on non-American citizens. Gitmo?

riciglia1 · Apr 13, 2004, 11:30 pm

oh yeah why waste the white american common citizen of the united states when those racist cia fags could easily grab some brain dead mexican

PatrickHenry · Apr 13, 2004, 11:56 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (riciglia1,)
oh yeah why waste the white american common citizen of the united states when those racist cia fags could easily grab some brain dead mexican<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
What?

riciglia1 · Apr 14, 2004, 12:01 am

lol the cia has always taken a racist side to things , look at the whole ortega thing for christ sakes. im just saying rather than risk a "precious" white male us citizen they will find some illegal immigrant who is brain dead and use them as a guinea pig.

PatrickHenry · Apr 14, 2004, 01:03 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (riciglia1,)
lol the cia has always taken a racist side to things , look at the whole ortega thing for christ sakes. im just saying rather than risk a "precious" white male us citizen they will find some illegal immigrant who is brain dead and use them as a guinea pig.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Most of the "undocumented workers" I have known are anything but braindead. They are smart enough to know where to get a job...They would probably stay home in hispanicland if they could get any kind of decent wages. Too bad for them organizing workers gets you thumped south of the border.

Suburbanite · Apr 14, 2004, 02:26 am

I think it is good technology to be capable of making, but not good to actually make it.

Impenitent · Apr 14, 2004, 09:17 am

micro chip brains? why not?

yes, I know of several individuals with potato chip brains too...

poker chips?

COW chips?

cash in yer chips...

as eric estrada rides off into the sunset...

riciglia1 · Apr 14, 2004, 01:32 pm

lol but what if this good technology turns bad...i mean this has wrong written all over it i mean they dont ev en ask the invalids permission to do the brain implant testing on them

Apr 13, 2004, 10:14 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
riciglia1 Molten Ash Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 57	Should we allow the government to conduct new tests using machines on humans by implanting microchips into their brains and controlling them via machines? Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.

Apr 13, 2004, 10:14 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
riciglia1 Molten Ash Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 57	btw my source is ap Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.

Apr 13, 2004, 10:38 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
riciglia1 Molten Ash Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 57	ha but heres the thing they are doing that to eople without the use of their brains, they are severe invalids with mental dehabilition. Who gives permission for them, or does the government get the right to just take them as guinea pigs? Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.

Apr 13, 2004, 10:42 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
RightThinker Molten Ash Location: St. Thomas U. S. V. I. Posts: 146	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (riciglia1,) Should we allow the government to conduct new tests using machines on humans by implanting microchips into their brains and controlling them via machines?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What are you talking about? Give me an article or something. Sounds like science fiction to me. "This country was founded and built by people with great dreams and the courage to take great risks." -Ronald Reagan- January 26, 1983

Apr 13, 2004, 10:51 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
riciglia1 Molten Ash Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 57	http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...rain_implants_2 its says they are going to use invalids to test machine powered brain implanet which will ultimatley control the body and not them Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.

Apr 13, 2004, 10:33 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Aequo Igneous Magma Posts: 241	If they are willing and are told the risks, real and imagined, yes.

Apr 13, 2004, 10:58 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
RightThinker Molten Ash Location: St. Thomas U. S. V. I. Posts: 146	Thank you for clearing that up. The way you said it threw me off. That is pretty scary though if you look at it the way you are. I am not too sure if that is good or bad. It would be a far stretch to thinks that the computer would malfunction and cause an invalid to go on a murderous rampage. "This country was founded and built by people with great dreams and the courage to take great risks." -Ronald Reagan- January 26, 1983

Apr 13, 2004, 11:03 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
riciglia1 Molten Ash Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 57	lol kinda like frankensteins monster. In theory the invalid would be controled by the machine and not its body so theoretically with time the government might corrupt this new technology for bad purposes or like you said the freak accident might occur and we will have no way of stopping a monster. Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.

Apr 13, 2004, 11:12 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	Interesting topic. If the research is to allow those with physical impairments to interact and have some control over their environment, I'm all for it. When I first saw the topic listed, I thought of the other, more sinister experimentation that has been whispered at length. Stuff about mind control. That technology apparently works the other way, with the implant having the control over the person. I know I'm gonna get a lickin' for this post, but when the CIA has so many true believers bedazzled and a $30 billion annual budget, anything is possible. Does anyone think they're too ethical for such a thing? http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultradocs.htm Anyway, it's off the thread... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 13, 2004, 11:18 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
RightThinker Molten Ash Location: St. Thomas U. S. V. I. Posts: 146	CIA of the MKULTRA days was much different. They had different things to deal with as far as the media goes. They are not so stupid now. If experiments are being done you can bet it would be on non-American citizens. Gitmo? "This country was founded and built by people with great dreams and the courage to take great risks." -Ronald Reagan- January 26, 1983

Apr 13, 2004, 11:30 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
riciglia1 Molten Ash Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 57	oh yeah why waste the white american common citizen of the united states when those racist cia fags could easily grab some brain dead mexican Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.

Apr 13, 2004, 11:56 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (riciglia1,) oh yeah why waste the white american common citizen of the united states when those racist cia fags could easily grab some brain dead mexican<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What? "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 14, 2004, 12:01 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
riciglia1 Molten Ash Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 57	lol the cia has always taken a racist side to things , look at the whole ortega thing for christ sakes. im just saying rather than risk a "precious" white male us citizen they will find some illegal immigrant who is brain dead and use them as a guinea pig. Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.

Apr 14, 2004, 01:03 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (riciglia1,) lol the cia has always taken a racist side to things , look at the whole ortega thing for christ sakes. im just saying rather than risk a "precious" white male us citizen they will find some illegal immigrant who is brain dead and use them as a guinea pig.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Most of the "undocumented workers" I have known are anything but braindead. They are smart enough to know where to get a job...They would probably stay home in hispanicland if they could get any kind of decent wages. Too bad for them organizing workers gets you thumped south of the border. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 14, 2004, 02:26 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	I think it is good technology to be capable of making, but not good to actually make it.

Apr 14, 2004, 09:17 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	micro chip brains? why not? yes, I know of several individuals with potato chip brains too... poker chips? COW chips? cash in yer chips... as eric estrada rides off into the sunset... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Apr 14, 2004, 01:32 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
riciglia1 Molten Ash Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 57	lol but what if this good technology turns bad...i mean this has wrong written all over it i mean they dont ev en ask the invalids permission to do the brain implant testing on them Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.