!revolution! here in america

[che61]

As americans we have the duty to start revolution in getting a new republican administration in power. This one is making mistakes to often, they're a day late and about a dollar short on everything, and the entire country is fed up. I'm willing to organize, the time for change is now. United we stand.



-Che

[Jack]

I knew it! The Republican party is revolting!
(I believe the Democratic party is as well)

[Osborn F Enready]

Che said:
As americans we have the duty to start revolution in getting a new republican administration in power. This one is making mistakes to often, they're a day late and about a dollar short on everything, and the entire country is fed up. I'm willing to organize, the time for change is now. United we stand.

I say:
PM me, or e-mail me.

[G. Adams]

Hell, PM me too. If your serious I'm willing to up sticks.

[bishop]

what kind of revolution are we talking about here?

[rmnunez]

I'm with the Che too.

[Osborn F Enready]

I say band people together behind the goal of re-instating the Constitution and its amendments and removing all seated State Congress people up through the Executive in ALL elected seats.

Start fresh, with a new election nation wide for all state level seats and up.

The election wouldn't take place until new guidelines were drafted by the rebellion to ensure all parties had equal ballot access, equal funding for campaigning, and were equally limited in airtime to broadcast political ads at no charge, as a service of the nation by order of the FCC. All debates would be unscripted, and all canidates would be sworn in before the debate, on national air, live.

(Is it not assumed that the physical structures and functional structures are to remain as intact as possible until new government is elected?)

I think this would be the most painless, effective, and overall long term beneficial start drawing on all citizens common threads and intrests in government accountability and justice, with respect to individual rights of the citizens.

I am curious to read your replies.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Right, have fun guys.

We have these things, called elections. There is the chance for your revolution in November.

See you then!

[Osborn F Enready]

I am all for peaceful protests FIRST.

I say we should form groups, and block the driveways to news agencies to demand airtime and force a redress of public grievance between the media, the government and the people.

Logic never gets thrown out, but sometimes violence is required when it is not respected.

[bishop]

eh.. i just asked what sort of revolution, because with a name like "che", i start thinking about a socialist revolution.

despite broad public disapproval of the slimebags in office, i think things are going to have to get worse before they get better.

[Mr.Vicchio]

You guys live ina bubble, you have no concept of how the political system works, you demand "better" but refuse to see how to achieve your goals within the system. Whine, complain, lament....

Without understanding and accepting how things WORK, one cannot change them. Without viable alternatives (and no, "the system sucks it must be changed!" doesn't count) and real means of achieving those changes... you will change nothing and only further isolate yourself to the fringe kook department. If you think you can just wait until the repressed of America RISE! up and revolt... hope you have lots of patience... it ain't gonna happen on your terms.

[bishop]

and as long as we have people dumb as rocks out there, nothing's going to change.

[Boetie]

Mr Vicchio posts: You guys live ina bubble, you have no concept of how the political system works,

The framers of the Consitution did not have political parties in mind. When you have a party you have this. GOP votes down party line to stop any investigation into Bush Jr's illegal wiretapping, thus the public will never know. This is the kind of bullshit parties do, which is protect their own. Also note they have stalled on the investigation into how much the Bush Jr administration played a role into hyping up the march to war, aka lying to the people of the United States.

The real idea is not to have parties but to do what is in the best interest of the people of the United States.

Bush Jr is not in the peoples best intrest, has never been, never will be, he is just a stupid little dog with a leash on his collar, so whenever anyone of the richest member of this country tugs on that leash we know what doggy will do.

[Mr.Vicchio]

That's great Boetie, you have complaints, Laments, and oh yeah, my favorite one, the "bush Jr." juvinille system of showing your displeasure.

My son does similar things when he's upset, course, he's only six but hey....

[Osborn F Enready]

The system is no longer workable Vic, and you know it.

Cynthia McKinney, Ron Paul, two people working from within the system, from EACH PARTY that are being squelched by their own mutual parties as well as the opposition, because they are trying to expose corruption and cover-ups by the current and past administrations.

There are good people in the system, but they are such a minority now that the system is beyond repair, the power is SEALED.

There are only a couple more options Vic, and your denial and refusal to see it won't make it dissappear.

[Athena]

Quote by: che61 As americans we have the duty to start revolution in getting a new republican administration in power. This one is making mistakes to often, they're a day late and about a dollar short on everything, and the entire country is fed up. I'm willing to organize, the time for change is now. United we stand. -Che

Interesting you should say united we stand. Most of the US is privately owned, including this forum. On another thread, it seems everyone approves of autocracy. While all the subjects remain under one autocratic power, I am not sure what unites them. I thought it was values and principles, but now I don't believe this is so. As happened to Germany we are divided and reactionary. Under these conditions there can not be a successful revolution, only divided people fighting against each other. Democracy unites people, but no one understands what it is or how it works.

[Boetie]

Mr Vicchio posts: That's great Boetie, you have complaints, Laments, and oh yeah, my favorite one, the "bush Jr." juvinille system of showing your displeasure. My son does similar things when he's upset, course, he's only six but hey...

It was a boy that pointed out that the King is naked.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: che61 As americans we have the duty to start revolution in getting a new republican administration in power. This one is making mistakes to often, they're a day late and about a dollar short on everything, and the entire country is fed up. I'm willing to organize, the time for change is now. United we stand.

A Republican revolution to overthrow Republicans. How revolting!

Can a Democrat like myself bid for the Hotdog & Beer concession at the revolution, or is this like a 'K-Street Project' kinda thing... keep it all in GOP hands?

Time to break out those weapons, boys. This is what y'all keep claiming the 2nd Amendment is all about.

UP THE REVOLUTION!

[Athena]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio That's great Boetie, you have complaints, Laments, and oh yeah, my favorite one, the "bush Jr." juvinille system of showing your displeasure. My son does similar things when he's upset, course, he's only six but hey....

This is a blatant insult. We have a rule against insults. When I reported an insult, I was told I am taking things too far and that I need a tougher skin. Now about democracy verses autocracy. The rule about not insulting will be kept only as long as we all accept the rule is a good one. The moderators can not catch all insults, and do not react to all insults even when they are reported. We have a social agreement that insulting people is okay, so why have a rule against them? I am saying a revolution can not succeed because no one knows what a democracy is and how it works. Supposedly people make their laws and then everyone is responsible for enforcing them. This is how liberty is maintained. But in the last few years, everyone has been programmed to rely on law enforcers and to report the friends, neighbors and family to authority, and now if we so much say we will not read beyond insults, and someone has a caustic reaction to that, we are told to report to authority, not to publically state our position on the rule and the violation of it.

I am seriously hoping those who have said I am taking things too far, understand the expressed attitudes and our political reality are not separate. Is there anything that is socially unacceptable, that we should agree on? Is it only the moderators who should determine when an insult is bad enough for a reaction? What should we do when we do report insults and nothing happens? Why are you even talking about revolution? What do you think you have to offer that is better?

[Osborn F Enready]

Athena said: Democracy unites people, but no one understands what it is or how it works.

I say:
Especially those that makes claims such as the one I highlighted above.

Start a thread on your IDEAL form of democracy Athena, and enlighten us please, because so far what I have seen you espouse about democracy is nothing but illogical projections on how 51% majority rule is better than a tyranny.

You seem to think that somehow, at one time, this nation was in some way a PURE democracy, and that is patently FALSE.

Discuss? New thread?