Carter blasts Bush

It’s very, very, rare that a former president will criticize or even comment on a sitting president. Carter has done just that. I respect Jimmy Carter not because he is a democrat, because he is a true Christen. I am not a religious person by any means, but Carter earns my respect because he stands for what he believes and he does not in any way push his religion down anybody’s throat. Faith based government programs would not be on Carter’s radar screen.

Anyway, Carter took to task Bush’s record on the environment and the war saying the environmental policies are the worst in history and he prays that the lives are spared and that there will be some peaceful resolution to the war.

The last time I heard a comment from a former president was Bush the first, and he as defending Clinton saying that, in order to protect the president, secrete service should not testify in any hearing.

MikeyP

Source: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/m...politan/2494559

Hey, Mike, I can understand your reasoning for you respct for Jimmy Carter. I don't share you opinion. Carter was a very weak president and should NOT be criticising a sitting president during a war. This is unprecedented. Carters support for environmental issues is short sighted and plays to the Socialist movement in the environmental movement. I used to like Carter as an ex-president because of his work in third world countries until I realized he never meat a tyrant he didn't like. Carter actually likes Castro and severa dictators in Africa. He is not the man we all thought.

[ConservativeX]

Carter was one of the worst Presidents we've ever had. The fact that Carter wants to try to muddy another President when it's not something former Presidents normally do LOWERS him in my book.

He's just playing politics, here. I have yet to hear him say one bad word about Clinton.

Oh, that's right; Clinton (to the Democrats) is off-limits when it comes to criticism. Just like Carter, he is building his historical image in what he does after he is in office, in the hopes that it might offset (even just a bit) the mistakes done during office.

[Osborn F Enready]

If Carter was a bad recent President, can you name a good recent President? Nixon? Reagan? Bush Sr. or Jr.? Those three alone have done more to damage the U.S. foreign policy, American Civil Liberties, the military and the justice system. Carter may not have been what you call an "active" President, but if being active means acting as most of our other recent Presidents, I think he was a hell of a lot more honorable for NOT furthering the removal of democracy and liberty in this country.

Nixon attempted to firebomb the Brookings Institute(a federal watchdog agency)to cover up his dealings in Watergate.

Reagan put into plans the official (and unconstitutional) "War on Drugs" and allowed the C.I.A. to run drugs covertly into the U.S., by downplaying the need of the U.S. intelligence services to be kept in check, and policed. Bush Sr. was right at his side, and a huge supporter of the "assasination" of Pablo Escobar, a Columbian who was "accused" of being the major part of the Columbian Cartel(later proven false). This program alone (war on drugs) has caused more harm to our international perception, as well as opened the door for unprecedented black ops being perpetrated solely by the Intelligence Services in the name of the United States, without the President even having "official" knowledge. I give you Columbia, Africa, Haiti, Iraq, etc,etc,etc!

Clinton led our troops into conflict more than any other President in U.S. history, and for what? Remember Somalia??? I implore you to read the official book Blackhawk Down, which is a factual recount, and one of the ONLY and most informative chronicles of that particular action.

Bush Sr. has set precedent as the most careless leader in our history, in my opinion. He led us to Iraq for WMD, then claimed it was to remove Saddam and the Bathe Party, then to Liberate Iraq, and now we are imposing OUR style of societal and governmental structure on them before we will STOP OCCUPYING their land. Wasn't he preaching about no new nation building in his campaign??? The Patriot Act is the most far reaching violation into American Civil Liberties in history, and is something a true patriot would wipe his boots on! Bush should be impeached.

I sincerely, and heartily recommend a little fact checking folks. I see a lot of partisan rabble that can't be substantiated with fact, and that is just propaganda. Analyze the parties, and their history, and it's obvious.

Also, before you go saying the patriot act is a blessing and all that rabble, I remind you of two things...
1) Ruby Ridge
2) Waco

"Everything that is really great and inspiring is created by the individual who can labor in freedom." --Albert Einstein

"The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms." --William O. Douglas

(Courtesy the Federalist Chronicle)



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"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.

And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.

How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." - Julius Caesar

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Attention to history provides a very clear picture for our plan of the future.

Well, this is yet more evidence of the direction we are heading.


http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/news/2...483/detail.html


All new legislation moves away from freedom, and away from the constitution, in an attempt to reduce the power of the citizen. The very last sentence says it all. They want this law to stand in place of the constitution, which already covers this very subject. I believe that would be your Fourth ammendent rights being usurped, correct?

Also, this link, brought to light by Waco, which really tells a lot more of the story on the War on Drugs, and the governments "two" seperate stories.

http://www.guerrillanews.com/crack/qt_hi.html


Please Reference this site, for the issue of Prohibition and its conclusions in Hindsight;

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/LIBRAR...ies/nc/nc2a.htm


Frightening, truly...

Credits to Waco, And Milton Bradley for some quotes of articles.


Osborn F. Enready
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[Suburbanite]

HE can say what he wants, fake outrage over it is just stupid.

I wouldn't fault Carter for not being an active president. It's what he did do that makes him a rather lame president. I actually, believe the best presidents are those that do the least. The same standard applies to any legislators. The less these people do the better off the populace is.

Carter was one of the worst presidents ever and he had more failures in the intelligence area then Clinton. Take a look at Carter's own record on terrorism, piss poor. He shouldn't be talking.

[dotcoma]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
Carter was one of the worst presidents ever and he had more failures in the intelligence area then Clinton. Take a look at Carter's own record on terrorism, piss poor. He shouldn't be talking.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Neither should you. All these "presidents" are merely serving their masters. Saying that Bush is better than Clinton is like saying heart failure is better than lung cancer.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
Carter was one of the worst presidents ever and he had more failures in the intelligence area then Clinton. Take a look at Carter's own record on terrorism, piss poor. He shouldn't be talking.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Neither should you. All these "presidents" are merely serving their masters. Saying that Bush is better than Clinton is like saying heart failure is better than lung cancer.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

That's an incorrect analogy. I already posted an article on why that is not the case.

Carter began the gutting of the CIA, which was further eviscerated by Clinton.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
Carter was one of the worst presidents ever and he had more failures in the intelligence area then Clinton. Take a look at Carter's own record on terrorism, piss poor. He shouldn't be talking.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

First of all, I going to dis-agree with Carter being one of the worst presidents. I am not saying Carter is a saint, but Bush, in my opinion is the worst president, PERIOD. The guy would not know what a domestic policy was if it slapped him in the face. The 9-11 hearing is telling me that George was asleep at the wheel. Two books have come out and said he had Iraq on the brain since day One. I have heard no slander suits over those books, but I have smearing on from that Bush bunch

The guy was handed a surplus, its now squandered. I read your profile. Your an 18-year old gay boy. I am a 43 year old gay man. If your voting for Bush, shame on you! The only reason why he screamed constitution amendment is because the guy has NOTHING to run on. Environment?, Have you read and studied the blue skis initiative? Its a sham! Education, tell him he needs to fund his no child left behind? Economy? a total sham. And the 9-11 commission is telling me that Iraq is a sham. In case you didn't get the memo his war is falling apart. Where is he? on vacation. He has takend 500 days vacation since he has been in office. ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...4-2004Apr8.html [close to the end of the artice]) Look at his cabinet. He has people that have are experts on the cold war, including Condi Rice. In case you didn't get that memo either, the cold war is behind us.

If you are a conservative, that is fine with me, However, I am telling you that you have the WRONG GUY IN CHARGE, he needs to be replaced. I hate slamming on this guy. But I am sorry, he is a poor excuse of a president. I make no appoligies for that statement.

MikeyP

I may not like Bush for his policies on gay marriage, but he is far better then Carter ever was. I actually met Carter in the Swisshotel, while in Quito, Ecuador. A really nice man, but not really presidental material. I admit he has done a lot of noble things.. he was the worst president.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
The 9-11 hearing is telling me that George was asleep at the wheel.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Utter bollocks. Bush was not asleep behind the wheel. I've been hearing the threats were too general to follow up on.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Your an 18-year old gay boy. I am a 43 year old gay man. If your voting for Bush, shame on you!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Gay boy? I'm very much an adult thank you.

And if you are voting for Kerry, shame on you! Unlike some people around here, I'm not a single issue voter. I think about the bigger picture.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Environment?, Have you read and studied the blue skis initiative? Its a sham!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

I only care about the economy. I'd care less about the environment.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Education, tell him he needs to fund his no child left behind? Economy? a total sham. And the 9-11 commission is telling me that Iraq is a sham. In case you didn't get the memo his war is falling apart.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Are you on drugs of any sort? I support the education system.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
If you are a conservative, that is fine with me, However, I am telling you that you have the WRONG GUY IN CHARGE, he needs to be replaced. I hate slamming on this guy. But I am sorry, he is a poor excuse of a president. I make no appoligies for that statement.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Your statement sucks and consider me an enemy. You want division and partisanship? I'll give you it. I think the country is better off without some liberal telling things how they are.. there was 8 years of that crap in the US... and 9/11 happened because of it. The sorry ass excuse of a president, Klinton, was responsible for doing nothing... he gave Bush a mess, and there was no way in hell Bush could of fixed that disaster in the time he had before 9/11.

[The Black Flag]

I think it's all crap. Clinton, Bush, Kerry...what's the goddamned difference? They all spread government's grip far and wide. I don't give two shits and a flying fuck about how they run the government, the fact is, they're runnnig it...right down people's throats! Bush is an ignorant asshole, whipping up patriotic blindness with terrorists he made. Clinton...I don't know about clinton, I didn't much care for politics when he was around, so i'll keep my mouth shut on him...but fuck him to. Kerry...who the fuck cares? Voting between Bush and Kerry is like voting between satan and the anti-christ. They're both going to rip people off. I'm tired of hearing this patriotic crap over some old stupid childmolesting looking motherfucker and what crap he's done.

[PatrickHenry]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dave654,)
Carter began the gutting of the CIA, which was further eviscerated by Clinton.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
That's supposed to be a bad thing? The CIA is the world's largest terror network. Too bad their budget has been gutted to only $30 billion or so. But they make it up in drug running. Not to mention puttin' their Director in the Whitehouse for four years. GHW Bush...

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PatrickHenry,)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dave654,)
Carter began the gutting of the CIA, which was further eviscerated by Clinton.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
That's supposed to be a bad thing? The CIA is the world's largest terror network.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

You are very laughable. Nice joke.

[PatrickHenry]

Yeah, yeah, the official story. Ho, hum.

[Mia]

Carter is a great man. If he wasn't the best President, that does not diminish the fact that he has devoted his life to peace all around the world. It's not his job to, but he does it because it's his passion.

To criticise him for being friendly with tyrants is silly...he is smart. You cannot forge peace with someone you hold at arms length.

[Osborn F Enready]

LOL Pat, facts will get you NO WHERE! Just ask them... they dont accept facts, just bi-partisan rhetoric.

[quote=Giancarlo,]I may not like Bush for his policies on gay marriage, but he is far better then Carter ever was. I actually met Carter in the Swisshotel, while in Quito, Ecuador. A really nice man, but not really presidental material. I admit he has done a lot of noble things.. he was the worst president.

I am not going to argue with you. You got brain washed somewhere. I have not figured out who is worse. The ex-gays or the gay republicans. Both are full of shit. Your only 18, you weren't there in the Carter years. Some day you will wake up and realize what a piece of crap George Bush is; and you sold your own people down the river. We need a term for your type. The black people call them Uncle Toms. Your simply a sell out...

[Sean]

^if you're not going to argue with him, don't post in a debate forum. http://www.volconvo.com/etiquette.htm