Who is to blame?

[Loknar]

I'll tell you who is to blame for 9-11. You are Mr. and Ms. America. Clinton warned all of us back in 1999 of the dangers of terrorism in the next millennium. Did we heed his warning? No, and lets be honest. If Clinton or Bush even tried to pass the Patriot before a 9-11 era both of them would have been impeached (or impeached for a 2nd time).


Now here is the issue of blame, i just told you who is at fault. Lets stop pointing the finger at one another and move this nation forward. Mr and Ms america drop your self centered mentality and just shut up. America needs to stand united now, and instead what are we doing? we are pointing the finger and bickering at one another. Meanwhile al-queda is boasting about attacking us again. Good going mr and ms America.

[dotcoma]

Umm, I blame the govt that trained and enabled the alleged parties involved. Mainly, the US govt.

[Loknar]

Intereasting, I thought the CIA trained them in guerilla tactics, not the whole 'hijack a planbe and use it as a missile' tactic.


roxdog, if you will blame the government, then at least blame Bush and Clinton. There is a hell of a lot of blame to go around.

I blame the Clinton adminstration. Clinton was all talk and no action, and Bush came into the White house with a mess of intelligence agencies, that it was mainly Clinton's fault for messing up. While he was getting it on with Monica, terrorists were coming in this country learning how to fly planes. But this is all past, and we must continue being on an offense to kill all terrorists. The soft liberal methods won't cut with terrorism.

[dotcoma]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Loknar,)
Intereasting, I thought the CIA trained them in guerilla tactics, not the whole 'hijack a planbe and use it as a missile' tactic.


roxdog, if you will blame the government, then at least blame Bush and Clinton. There is a hell of a lot of blame to go around.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

You obviously haven't read many of my posts....

[dotcoma]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
I blame the Clinton adminstration. Clinton was all talk and no action, and Bush came into the White house with a mess of intelligence agencies, that it was mainly Clinton's fault for messing up. While he was getting it on with Monica, terrorists were coming in this country learning how to fly planes. But this is all past, and we must continue being on an offense to kill all terrorists. The soft liberal methods won't cut with terrorism.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Oh, wow. Look guys! Another one of those morons that believes that there is any difference between reps and dems. Bush is God. Clinton is Satan. Makes sense, right?

[dotcoma]

[quote=Loknar,]Intereasting, I thought the CIA trained them in guerilla tactics, not the whole 'hijack a planbe and use it as a missile' tactic.
QUOTE]

It's not an old tactic. The Japanese used it 60 years ago.

[Gorgo]

Clinton and Bush ARE terrorists.

[dotcoma]

YES, GORGO!!!

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)

Oh, wow. Look guys! Another one of those morons that believes that there is any difference between reps and dems. Bush is God. Clinton is Satan. Makes sense, right?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Ad hominem. You are full of these aren't you? I don't even like Bush all that much. I'm saying Clinton is to blame for most of the screw ups.

[Loknar]

See this is what I am talking about, I have dems and reps in pointing the finger at eachother. I am so depressed about americas future now.

[BendOverDemocrats]

The Bush administration, seven months in office at the time, deserves whatever criticism is due an incoming administration that had to clean up eight years of damage on many fronts left by the outgoing one. However, no one can accuse President Bush of the serious lapses in judgment and dereliction of duty committed by former President Clinton.

On his last days in office, al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden were far from Bill Clinton’s mind. His priorities were copping a plea with prosecutor Robert Ray (a presidential first) that would keep him out of jail and wreaking his revenge on the American justice system with a pardoning fury that culminated in the pardon of international fugitive Marc Rich.

That Clinton ended his presidency on such a criminal-like note is not surprising to anyone who observed him objectively. This was a man who served himself first, last and always.

Who but a Democrat, can forget that Bill Clinton, while he talked on the telephone with Rep. Sonny Callahan regarding the congressman’s concerns about the safety of our troops deployed to Bosnia, was receiving oral sex from Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office study? In fact, getting serviced by Ms. Lewinsky while on the phone conducting official business with congressmen and others was a habit of Clinton’s.

Bill Clinton did not care that he had exposed the presidency to blackmail by a foreign power by engaging in at least seventeen phone sex calls with Monica Lewinsky on her unsecured line. Clinton laughed off concerns of a national security breach, telling Ms. Lewinsky that if they were blackmailed to say they were just making it up.

During the Clinton administration, the closest African-American woman to the president was White House secretary Betty Currie. It was to Ms. Currie whom Bill Clinton turned to facilitate and later cover-up his affair with Monica Lewinsky in the White House.

The dutiful Currie, in a manner reminiscent of the ante-bellum South, once locked herself in the bathroom while, just outside the door, Ms. Lewinsky performed oral sex on her boss, former Arkansas governor, Bill Clinton.

Clinton’s sex-obsessed nature became a national joke even as the nation was put in danger because of it. Of course Clinton’s nature was not a joke to the many women who accused him of rape and/or sexual assault like Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones, among others.

During the period from 1997 to 1999, as Bill Clinton struggled to keep from being impeached and removed from office for perjury and obstruction of justice, and while he worked to keep a lid on the Chinagate scandal, al-Qaeda metastasized into a deadly international threat to America.

In 1998, while al-Qaeda plotted and bombed American targets, Bill Clinton held but two cabinet meetings: One to lie to his cabinet, the other to confess his lie after it was confirmed he allowed Monica Lewinsky to leave the White House with her blue dress covered in his semen after an oral sex session.

Rather than admitting his guilt and resigning from office like he should have, Bill Clinton fought those seeking to hold him accountable to the rule of law with more energy and determination than he ever did al-Qaeda.

National security lapses weren’t limited to Bill Clinton’s sex life. In his first term, Clinton took millions of dollars in illegal campaign donations. Much of those donations came from agents of communist China who were given extraordinary access to the government in exchange for their largess.

The Chinagate scandal, which included American companies that bought favors from the Clinton administration that aided China’s ICBMs, helped put the lie to Clinton’s boast that “no nuclear missiles are pointed at America’s children” under his watch. Toward the end of Clinton’s second term, Energy Secretary Bill Richardson admitted that China had about sixteen nuclear missiles targeted at America. Cold comfort when they repeatedly threatened to nuke Los Angeles as Bill Clinton slow-walked our missile defense system development.

Airline safety was compromised by Vice President Gore’s decision to not seek standards that could have made the September 11 plane hijackings more difficult, if not impossible. Naturally, that decision was followed by hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign donations by the airline industry to the Democrat party.

Terrorists had a great friend in the White House during the Clinton years. Members of the Marxist FALN terrorists were pardoned in 1999 to help Hillary Clinton’s bid for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Pat Moynihan.

Yasser Arafat played Bill Clinton like a sucker for years. It should be funny, but it’s not, that the terrorist Arafat has a worthless Nobel Peace Prize while Clinton doesn’t.

Bill Clinton’s disregard for national security led him to completely lose his authorization card with nuclear launch codes. Clinton even lost the nuclear football when he stormed out of a 1999 NATO meeting in Washington, D.C. and was driven back to the White House without the military aide who carries the nuclear football. The aide had to walk the mean streets of our nation’s capital back to the White House.

That was not unusual for a man who nearly left his daughter, Chelsea, behind in Moscow while on a state visit, or for a man who took such poor care of the two dogs he owned as a governor and president, respectively, that they were both run over by cars.

Clinton did nothing in response to embassy bombings, ships bombed, our soldiers dead being dragged through the streets in front of cameras and no response. He and Clarke offered Bin Laden... no action.

We looked weak with him and that made us a prime target as well.

The legacy of the leader of the Democrats during the 1990s was one of utter disregard for the national security of the United States that left us wide open to the September 11 attacks.

[Suburbanite]

Can't we just blame the terrorists??? and Bush.

[BendOverDemocrats]

No, because Clinton refused to do anything or take Bin Laden 3-4 times. Then when you ask a Democrat about anything, the weak kneed liberal all want the US under the contol of the UN.

They are pathetic and weak. That weakness under their rule lead to the boldness to decide and attack us.

[Gorgo]

While you're talking about Bill Clinton's crimes, don't forget bombing Sudan, Yugoslavia and the constant war against the people of Iraq.

[dotcoma]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (AlecBaldwin666,)
The Bush administration, seven months in office at the time, deserves whatever criticism is due an incoming administration that had to clean up eight years of damage on many fronts left by the outgoing one. However, no one can accuse President Bush of the serious lapses in judgment and dereliction of duty committed by former President Clinton.

On his last days in office, al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden were far from Bill Clinton’s mind. His priorities were copping a plea with prosecutor Robert Ray (a presidential first) that would keep him out of jail and wreaking his revenge on the American justice system with a pardoning fury that culminated in the pardon of international fugitive Marc Rich.

That Clinton ended his presidency on such a criminal-like note is not surprising to anyone who observed him objectively. This was a man who served himself first, last and always.

Who but a Democrat, can forget that Bill Clinton, while he talked on the telephone with Rep. Sonny Callahan regarding the congressman’s concerns about the safety of our troops deployed to Bosnia, was receiving oral sex from Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office study? In fact, getting serviced by Ms. Lewinsky while on the phone conducting official business with congressmen and others was a habit of Clinton’s.

Bill Clinton did not care that he had exposed the presidency to blackmail by a foreign power by engaging in at least seventeen phone sex calls with Monica Lewinsky on her unsecured line. Clinton laughed off concerns of a national security breach, telling Ms. Lewinsky that if they were blackmailed to say they were just making it up.

During the Clinton administration, the closest African-American woman to the president was White House secretary Betty Currie. It was to Ms. Currie whom Bill Clinton turned to facilitate and later cover-up his affair with Monica Lewinsky in the White House.

The dutiful Currie, in a manner reminiscent of the ante-bellum South, once locked herself in the bathroom while, just outside the door, Ms. Lewinsky performed oral sex on her boss, former Arkansas governor, Bill Clinton.

Clinton’s sex-obsessed nature became a national joke even as the nation was put in danger because of it. Of course Clinton’s nature was not a joke to the many women who accused him of rape and/or sexual assault like Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones, among others.

During the period from 1997 to 1999, as Bill Clinton struggled to keep from being impeached and removed from office for perjury and obstruction of justice, and while he worked to keep a lid on the Chinagate scandal, al-Qaeda metastasized into a deadly international threat to America.

In 1998, while al-Qaeda plotted and bombed American targets, Bill Clinton held but two cabinet meetings: One to lie to his cabinet, the other to confess his lie after it was confirmed he allowed Monica Lewinsky to leave the White House with her blue dress covered in his semen after an oral sex session.

Rather than admitting his guilt and resigning from office like he should have, Bill Clinton fought those seeking to hold him accountable to the rule of law with more energy and determination than he ever did al-Qaeda.

National security lapses weren’t limited to Bill Clinton’s sex life. In his first term, Clinton took millions of dollars in illegal campaign donations. Much of those donations came from agents of communist China who were given extraordinary access to the government in exchange for their largess.

The Chinagate scandal, which included American companies that bought favors from the Clinton administration that aided China’s ICBMs, helped put the lie to Clinton’s boast that “no nuclear missiles are pointed at America’s children” under his watch. Toward the end of Clinton’s second term, Energy Secretary Bill Richardson admitted that China had about sixteen nuclear missiles targeted at America. Cold comfort when they repeatedly threatened to nuke Los Angeles as Bill Clinton slow-walked our missile defense system development.

Airline safety was compromised by Vice President Gore’s decision to not seek standards that could have made the September 11 plane hijackings more difficult, if not impossible. Naturally, that decision was followed by hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign donations by the airline industry to the Democrat party.

Terrorists had a great friend in the White House during the Clinton years. Members of the Marxist FALN terrorists were pardoned in 1999 to help Hillary Clinton’s bid for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Pat Moynihan.

Yasser Arafat played Bill Clinton like a sucker for years. It should be funny, but it’s not, that the terrorist Arafat has a worthless Nobel Peace Prize while Clinton doesn’t.

Bill Clinton’s disregard for national security led him to completely lose his authorization card with nuclear launch codes. Clinton even lost the nuclear football when he stormed out of a 1999 NATO meeting in Washington, D.C. and was driven back to the White House without the military aide who carries the nuclear football. The aide had to walk the mean streets of our nation’s capital back to the White House.

That was not unusual for a man who nearly left his daughter, Chelsea, behind in Moscow while on a state visit, or for a man who took such poor care of the two dogs he owned as a governor and president, respectively, that they were both run over by cars.

Clinton did nothing in response to embassy bombings, ships bombed, our soldiers dead being dragged through the streets in front of cameras and no response. He and Clarke offered Bin Laden... no action.

We looked weak with him and that made us a prime target as well.

The legacy of the leader of the Democrats during the 1990s was one of utter disregard for the national security of the United States that left us wide open to the September 11 attacks.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Wow, so many words and nothing learned.

[ConservativeX]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Giancarlo,)
I blame the Clinton adminstration. Clinton was all talk and no action, and Bush came into the White house with a mess of intelligence agencies, that it was mainly Clinton's fault for messing up. While he was getting it on with Monica, terrorists were coming in this country learning how to fly planes. But this is all past, and we must continue being on an offense to kill all terrorists. The soft liberal methods won't cut with terrorism.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Oh, wow. Look guys! Another one of those morons that believes that there is any difference between reps and dems. Bush is God. Clinton is Satan. Makes sense, right?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

You just posted what you are trying to criticize! LOL!

You are whining about stereotyping and generalizing and you start your post off by calling Giancarlo a moron?

How does THAT make sense?

Oh, TLDS...

Typical
Liberal
Double
Standard

[ConservativeX]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
Wow, so many words and nothing learned.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

If the post is that faulty that nothing is learned then it should be easy for you to rebut the points presented, right?

Oh, I see; you couldn't respond (have you learned anything on any of these issues?), so you thought you'd just dismiss it all.

"Nothing learned" is not the fault of AlecBaldwin666...

Looks like a self-inflicted wound to me.

[dotcoma]

Please explain to me why I am liberal. How come you neocon, bootlicking, big government, trotskyites pretend to be conservatives?
Just wondering...

[PatrickHenry]

You're right roxdog. Problem with AlecBaldwin666's lenthy post is that its all opinion, without any references to bulwark the rhetoric.

Who cares if Clinton was a tyrant, anyway. The problem is the current tyrant, and his lickspittles or puppetmasters as the case may be. When will constitutional government be restored?
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?tit...ional_emergency