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Apr 10, 2004, 05:03 pm

I am amazed that anyone could find fault with the Bush administrations actions or lack thereof in dealing with terrorism. The intelligence communities were in a shambles and there was NO public support for any drastic action to take place at airports, ports, borders, immigrants, etc. There was really nothing Bush could have done to prevent 9-11, period. If he tried to establish the kind of screening activity we now have at airports, he would have been dragged out into the streets and tarred and feathered. Even after 9-11 we see how difficult it is to remedy shortcomings in the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. How could anything have been implimented in the seven months of the Bush Administration prior to 9-11.
If any of you guys think you know how 9-11 could have been avoided feel free to explain, without the usual hyperbole about lies and tyrants etc.

dotcoma · Apr 10, 2004, 05:05 pm

Ashcroft could of answered David Schippers' phone calls. They could have NOT trained the terrorists at Pensacola. Those are two of many suggestions.

Loknar · Apr 10, 2004, 06:58 pm

See I placed all of you in my little expirment. Listen to me ALL OF YOU. Bickering like this only holds us back, instead of fixing a sinking ship all of you are trying to gain control of it.

Apr 10, 2004, 07:04 pm

There are so many here who criticize republicans quite a bit, but once we start criticizing the dems and liberals for their arrogance they lash out and say "you can't do that!". I mean grow up.

Apr 10, 2004, 09:33 pm

Hey Loknar, you asked the question Who's to blame for 9-11. Those of us who posted answered this question and now you want to criticize us for doing so. If you had asked How can we fix the problems that led to the 9-11 attack, you would have gotten different answers.
Careful what you ask for, you might get it.

Write Winger · Apr 10, 2004, 11:39 pm

I think the highjackers and the people who paid them are to blame for 9/11...I know that blaming the actual perpetrators isn't politically correct and won't get John Kerry any votes...but I really do think that the people who did it are to blame.

Apr 11, 2004, 02:53 am

Gasp. How can you even suggest the terrorist are to blame for their actions. They're clearly mere puppets of their upbringing and influences perpetrated upon them from the US. It simply has to be our fault because uh, uh, well it just is, I heard it on crossfire, so it must be true. Those poor terrorist pushed to the limit of human endourance knowing us Americans exist on the same planet. I think I'll go kill myself now. Maybe that will stop the next attack.

PatrickHenry · Apr 11, 2004, 05:58 am

I'll tell you who was responsible for 9/11 if you'll tell me why WTC6 fell down, oh, and the customs building. Oh, and how Mohammad Atta's pristine passport was found atop the rubble on a NYC street. Oh, and why US troops were prepositioned in Uzbekistan. Oh, and who traded put options on American and United Airlines stock on the first week of September, 2001. Or maybe why the BinLadens got to fly home to Saudi, on 9/12 with a cursory FBI interview, while their evil brother became Enemy #1. Hang in there you hearties of the official story, this is my entertainment.

Apr 11, 2004, 06:46 pm

Okay PH, tell us why the WTC6 fell down and the customs bldg. How did Mo. Atta's pristine passport come to lie in an NYC street. Which US troops were prepositioned in Uzbekistan? Who traded options on the airline stocks? What about the BinLadens?

PatrickHenry · Apr 11, 2004, 07:17 pm

Gee, dave, doesn't the official story cover these items?

Catch 22 · Apr 12, 2004, 01:54 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Loknar,)
See I placed all of you in my little expirment. Listen to me ALL OF YOU. Bickering like this only holds us back, instead of fixing a sinking ship all of you are trying to gain control of it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

agreed it seems as if the entire volconvo forums have become like this. Everyone is so dogmatically locked into thier beleif structure that it turns into this mindless blame game of ill supported ranting.

dotcoma · Apr 12, 2004, 02:07 pm

Dave,

Didn't Condi address these issues. Didn't she explain why the CIA was running suicide plane drills the very same morning? Didn't she explain why Mayor Willie Brown and author Salmon Rushdie were ordered not to fly that week? Didn't Robert Wright and David Schipper's get to testify at the hearings? And I wonder, did John O'Niell ever really exist? Maybe it's just an urban legend that his uncharred, completely intact body was found on top of the rubble next to a passport of one of the hijakcers. Didn't she explain why NORAD stood down for an hour?

PatrickHenry · Apr 12, 2004, 03:05 pm

Right, roxdog. To use a combat analogy, I think Condi was a smoke screen while the Neo-cons lay down suppressive fire for the next assault on freedom.

Apr 12, 2004, 03:07 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PatrickHenry,)
Right, roxdog. To use a combat analogy, I think Condi was a smoke screen while the Neo-cons lay down suppressive fire for the next assault on freedom.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

*yawn*

Anything else from the propagandist himself? Anything else other then the flagrant misuse of words?

dotcoma · Apr 12, 2004, 03:23 pm

Anything else from a gay man supporting a party that thinks he's subhuman?

Apr 12, 2004, 03:29 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
Anything else from a gay man supporting a party that thinks he's subhuman?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I don't support the demoncrats.

dotcoma · Apr 12, 2004, 03:34 pm

Right, you support a party of a president who while governor of Texas stated that gays were an abomination. I'm not a democrat but I'm smart enough to call things how they are. See you at the gulags!

Apr 12, 2004, 03:35 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
Right, you support a party of a president who while governor of Texas stated that gays were an abomination. I'm not a democrat but I'm smart enough to call things how they are. See you at the gulags!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Not all republicans are like that. And I don't support a party full of former KKK members, the democrat party. You are using scare tactics and that doesn't work around here. Please grow up.

dotcoma · Apr 12, 2004, 03:38 pm

No, not all Republicans. Just Bush and the ones at the top. And you do know there are more than two ways of thinking about things, right?

Apr 12, 2004, 03:38 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
No, not all Republicans. Just Bush and the ones at the top. And you do know there are more than two ways of thinking about things, right?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Well what other party can I side with? Siding with the democrats is against a lot of my beliefs, and Nader.. yuck... no way... I'm not siding with no tree hugging hippie.

Apr 10, 2004, 11:39 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
Write Winger Molten Ash Location: Texas Posts: 96	I think the highjackers and the people who paid them are to blame for 9/11...I know that blaming the actual perpetrators isn't politically correct and won't get John Kerry any votes...but I really do think that the people who did it are to blame. My book... Write Winger: Solutions for the Politically Oblique available from Booklocker.com

Apr 11, 2004, 05:58 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,446	I'll tell you who was responsible for 9/11 if you'll tell me why WTC6 fell down, oh, and the customs building. Oh, and how Mohammad Atta's pristine passport was found atop the rubble on a NYC street. Oh, and why US troops were prepositioned in Uzbekistan. Oh, and who traded put options on American and United Airlines stock on the first week of September, 2001. Or maybe why the BinLadens got to fly home to Saudi, on 9/12 with a cursory FBI interview, while their evil brother became Enemy #1. Hang in there you hearties of the official story, this is my entertainment. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 11, 2004, 07:17 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,446	Gee, dave, doesn't the official story cover these items? "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 12, 2004, 01:54 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
Catch 22 Igneous Magma Posts: 374	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Loknar,) See I placed all of you in my little expirment. Listen to me ALL OF YOU. Bickering like this only holds us back, instead of fixing a sinking ship all of you are trying to gain control of it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> agreed it seems as if the entire volconvo forums have become like this. Everyone is so dogmatically locked into thier beleif structure that it turns into this mindless blame game of ill supported ranting. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered Martin Luther King Jr.

Apr 12, 2004, 03:05 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,446	Right, roxdog. To use a combat analogy, I think Condi was a smoke screen while the Neo-cons lay down suppressive fire for the next assault on freedom. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 10, 2004, 05:03 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	I am amazed that anyone could find fault with the Bush administrations actions or lack thereof in dealing with terrorism. The intelligence communities were in a shambles and there was NO public support for any drastic action to take place at airports, ports, borders, immigrants, etc. There was really nothing Bush could have done to prevent 9-11, period. If he tried to establish the kind of screening activity we now have at airports, he would have been dragged out into the streets and tarred and feathered. Even after 9-11 we see how difficult it is to remedy shortcomings in the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. How could anything have been implimented in the seven months of the Bush Administration prior to 9-11. If any of you guys think you know how 9-11 could have been avoided feel free to explain, without the usual hyperbole about lies and tyrants etc.

Apr 10, 2004, 05:05 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Ashcroft could of answered David Schippers' phone calls. They could have NOT trained the terrorists at Pensacola. Those are two of many suggestions.

Apr 10, 2004, 06:58 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
Loknar Sedimentary Rock Posts: 21	See I placed all of you in my little expirment. Listen to me ALL OF YOU. Bickering like this only holds us back, instead of fixing a sinking ship all of you are trying to gain control of it.

Apr 10, 2004, 07:04 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	There are so many here who criticize republicans quite a bit, but once we start criticizing the dems and liberals for their arrogance they lash out and say "you can't do that!". I mean grow up.

Apr 10, 2004, 09:33 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	Hey Loknar, you asked the question Who's to blame for 9-11. Those of us who posted answered this question and now you want to criticize us for doing so. If you had asked How can we fix the problems that led to the 9-11 attack, you would have gotten different answers. Careful what you ask for, you might get it.

Apr 11, 2004, 02:53 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	Gasp. How can you even suggest the terrorist are to blame for their actions. They're clearly mere puppets of their upbringing and influences perpetrated upon them from the US. It simply has to be our fault because uh, uh, well it just is, I heard it on crossfire, so it must be true. Those poor terrorist pushed to the limit of human endourance knowing us Americans exist on the same planet. I think I'll go kill myself now. Maybe that will stop the next attack.

Apr 11, 2004, 06:46 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	Okay PH, tell us why the WTC6 fell down and the customs bldg. How did Mo. Atta's pristine passport come to lie in an NYC street. Which US troops were prepositioned in Uzbekistan? Who traded options on the airline stocks? What about the BinLadens?

Apr 12, 2004, 02:07 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Dave, Didn't Condi address these issues. Didn't she explain why the CIA was running suicide plane drills the very same morning? Didn't she explain why Mayor Willie Brown and author Salmon Rushdie were ordered not to fly that week? Didn't Robert Wright and David Schipper's get to testify at the hearings? And I wonder, did John O'Niell ever really exist? Maybe it's just an urban legend that his uncharred, completely intact body was found on top of the rubble next to a passport of one of the hijakcers. Didn't she explain why NORAD stood down for an hour?

Apr 12, 2004, 03:07 pm	#34 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PatrickHenry,) Right, roxdog. To use a combat analogy, I think Condi was a smoke screen while the Neo-cons lay down suppressive fire for the next assault on freedom.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> yawn Anything else from the propagandist himself? Anything else other then the flagrant misuse of words?

Apr 12, 2004, 03:23 pm	#35 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Anything else from a gay man supporting a party that thinks he's subhuman?

Apr 12, 2004, 03:29 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,) Anything else from a gay man supporting a party that thinks he's subhuman?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I don't support the demoncrats.

Apr 12, 2004, 03:34 pm	#37 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Right, you support a party of a president who while governor of Texas stated that gays were an abomination. I'm not a democrat but I'm smart enough to call things how they are. See you at the gulags!

Apr 12, 2004, 03:35 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,) Right, you support a party of a president who while governor of Texas stated that gays were an abomination. I'm not a democrat but I'm smart enough to call things how they are. See you at the gulags!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Not all republicans are like that. And I don't support a party full of former KKK members, the democrat party. You are using scare tactics and that doesn't work around here. Please grow up.

Apr 12, 2004, 03:38 pm	#39 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	No, not all Republicans. Just Bush and the ones at the top. And you do know there are more than two ways of thinking about things, right?

Apr 12, 2004, 03:38 pm	#40 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,) No, not all Republicans. Just Bush and the ones at the top. And you do know there are more than two ways of thinking about things, right?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Well what other party can I side with? Siding with the democrats is against a lot of my beliefs, and Nader.. yuck... no way... I'm not siding with no tree hugging hippie.