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Old Apr 9, 2004, 02:11 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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George W. Bush released his ENTIRE military service records, his medical records... hell his dental records.

Where is the honorable war time hero John Kerry's records?

Hmmm.... oh yeah, he won't release those.... what IS he hiding?

Could there be something, some huge bombshell in there? Like say the truth behind his three purpule hearts, his leaving the war after four months, and not ONE SINGLE DAY OF DUTY LOST but injured enough to get THREE PURPLE HEARTS??

One has to wonder.

The so called draft dodging liar Bush was man enough to release his entire records, why wont Kerry? Also where is the media in demanding Kerry do so?


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Old Apr 9, 2004, 02:48 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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I think the fact that Bush was compelled to release all of his records in the first place is pure idiocy. I don't see what sort of relevance Bush's hemmorhoids have in the political spectrum. As for Kerry's records, again I see no relevance to the current political situation. What would you hope to discover, a vast liberal conspiracy to award medals to soldiers and then pull them out of Vietnam? Military service is obviously commendable, but I doubt that any actions on the part of a presidential candidate in war time, especially if he did not serve in a higher-ranking post and did not make any sort of crucial decisions on a daily basis. There's no reason to use one's achievements that have been yellowing for 30 years when it is most convienient, if you achieved something that is pertinent then of course that's fine, but whoring yourself out for military service in Vietnam in a presidential campaign in the year 2004 is a bit ridiculous. If we're going to start digging up not just skeletons but every hair fiber possible, why not use George Bush's past alcoholism against him?
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Old Apr 9, 2004, 02:59 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Great cover line.

Kerry is so proud of his war record, he should release his records.

He wont.

Obvious conclusion, he's hiding something.


Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?
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Old Apr 9, 2004, 03:06 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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^is that logical? You're saying:

Kerry is proud of his war record (A) then he should release his records (b)

He won't (a subconclusion that came out of nowhere)©

Therefore, it's OBVIOUS...that he's hiding something (d)

Sounds nice and logical to me...cough
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Old Apr 9, 2004, 04:09 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Infallible logic in its most crystalline and pure state.
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Old Apr 10, 2004, 03:46 am   #6 (permalink) (top)
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So was Bush. Kerry's service is NOT under question.
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Old Apr 10, 2004, 04:54 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Old Apr 10, 2004, 05:33 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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If Kerry's Vietnam record is not suspect it should be. Vichio is right, Kerry received three purple hearts and only missed one day of work. How is that possible? I suffered much more grievous injuries during my tour of duty in the Army and received NO purple hears. Kerry's Vietnam record is embarrasing. After rotating back to the States, he actually had the temerity to lambaste the soldiers still in Country. Now he brags about his service, (all four months, 1/3d of a tour), when he should keep his mouth shut.
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Old Apr 11, 2004, 05:45 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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I hear Kerry was involved in Operation Phoenix, the notorious CIA assasination program targeting civilians in 'Nam.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hi...75_CIAHits.html

But some vets say that allegations against Phoenix are calumnies and that Kerry shouldn't say the military did bad things there.
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1088533/posts

Hey what do I know? When the two guys most likely to get elected are BOTH from the Order of Skull and Bones, the next four years is liable to be just as deadly and unconstitutional as the last four.


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Old Apr 11, 2004, 06:43 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,)
So was Bush. Kerry's service is NOT under question.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

ACtually IT IS! There are a number of Veitnam Veteran groups out there, current and retired military personell that go "Gee this Kerry fella, 3 purple hearts, 4 months of service, not a SINGLE DAY OF DUTY LOST WHILE IN THE FIELD but hey, three purple hearts.... right well can we see the records on that please?"

But hey the Kerry fans go "He served honorably, how dare you ask such!!!"

Kerry is hiding something, if he wasn't he would release it. End Of Story.


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Old Apr 11, 2004, 06:52 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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I think it should be more important how each performed at a REAL JOB, or wait, neither ever had one? oh.... Maybe they should be judged on how they perform A JOB? hmmmm Maybe we should fix the system, so we have more to pick from than two completely incapable, incompetent, corporate sponsored, federally funded wankers?

Wow, a myriad of choices...


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Old Apr 13, 2004, 01:57 am   #12 (permalink) (top)
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Alec, show me where a MAJORITY of the public wants to see and needs to see that. I would rather see his banking records, and where all the money comes from. I would rather see all politicians swear in an oath as a serviceman does, foregoing ALL rights as a citizen in order to serve the public. Where do they stand on that???

You are a party rock thrower, that lives in a glass house.


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Old Apr 13, 2004, 07:44 am   #13 (permalink) (top)
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Osborne, show me where a majority of americans wanted to see Bushs record.. oh opps, cant have a ncie day.


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Old Apr 13, 2004, 09:59 am   #14 (permalink) (top)
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You make a fine point Viccio, lets analyze shall we?

You said: Osborne, show me where a majority of americans wanted to see Bushs record.. oh opps, cant have a ncie day.

I say: You are right, why is it that we can't address the canidates with ACTUAL QUESTIONS that the PEOPLE want to ask? Why is there no central commitee that piles up the tons of questions submitted by interested voters, compiling them into hot issues and dead weight, to ask the canidates in OPEN PUBLIC FORUM???

WELL, have you ever seen the SEC complaint filed by Open Debates? Have you ever heard of Open Debates, being covered on C-Span this month? I think that will answer all of your questions in this thread.

I guess the real question then, why isn't Bush or Kerry supporting the Open Debates? Hmmmmmmmmm Just what do they have to hide????? LOL


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Old Apr 15, 2004, 02:35 am   #15 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dave654,)
Kerry's Vietnam record: Now he brags about his service, (all four months, 1/3d of a tour), when he should keep his mouth shut.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Typical republican propaganda, they always talk about the 4 months Kerry was "in country". Which is technically true. The US Naval vessel that Lt. Kerry served on for much longer than "four months" didn't actually operate "on the ground" in Vietnam.

It did, however, support the war in Vietnam from the Gulf of Tonkin and other places, for 12 months, when Lt. Kerry volunteered to serve "in country".


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Old Apr 15, 2004, 02:12 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,)
So was Bush. Kerry's service is NOT under question.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Says who? I have seen several people question his record in this thread. How was Bush's record more in question than Kerry's? Mayber in media play but that just proves the liberal stranglehold on the media.


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Old Apr 15, 2004, 02:18 pm   #18 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
Bush was also an avid cocaine user. He and Bill Clinton also dress in black robes and chant beneath a giant stone owl named Moloch at a place called bohemian grove.

http://www.fair.org/extra/best-of-extra/bo...mian-grove.html
http://libweb.sonoma.edu/regional/faculty/...emianindex.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/phillips08142003.html
http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/200...-07-25/arts.asp
http://www.sonic.net/~kerry/bohemian/index.html
http://www.econcrisis.homestead.com/Bohemi..._Hell_Fire.html
http://www.sonic.net/~kerry/bohemian/casey.html
http://www.salon.com/people/conv/2002/03/29/shearer/
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/today/articl...ohemianclub.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...24/MN115878.DTL
http://www.corpwatch.org/bulletins/PBD.jsp...p?articleid=417
http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=Ne...&sid=1171\
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/dec2000/.../bohe-d27.shtml
http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/gracebeliever...emiangrove.html
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Giant stone owl???????WTF? I must admit I have never heard of this before I read your post. this bohemian thing sounds great to me. Wish I was a "noteable" with $2500 down and $600 per year. Maybe someday.


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Old Apr 15, 2004, 02:43 pm   #19 (permalink) (top)
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Yeah, you'll get to hang out with Bush AND Clinton. Two for one!!!
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Old Apr 15, 2004, 02:50 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
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RightThinker, those are some great links, and thank you for allowing me to expand my investigation in to the secret socities.... Why are all people not stomping mad about this??? Unbelievable the blindness that falls on eyes who have not seen the savagery of tyranny.


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