The case FOR English as official USA language...

[Desert Yankee]

George Bernard Shaw, a rabid Fabian Socialist/communist when not writing, had appreciated and expanded the socialist/communist principal of dividing "target nations" into small blocks of "radical cells" allowing communist activists to gain influence and eventually control that group and lead it leftward.

Only Michael Savage can I recall ever saying that language is one of three pillars of the preservation of America. There is a "Tower of Babel" tactic... a most formiddable weapon politically... which is distortion of the language by re-defining certain words, banning some words by social or legal pressure, creating new words synonymous with words you wish to have "confused meanings" and influencing and supporting the concept of multi-lingual culturalism (which can create many smaller cells within cells; each with its own language making it easier to exploit racially, economically, nationalistically, politically and lingually). The idea is to stress the things that make us different and attack the things that keep us unified... simple, really.

The whole idea of "hyphenated identity" was created purposely and within a number of years would become a predominantly acceptable way to separate yourself from the national identity of "American". Sort of the atithesis of "E Plurubus Unum". Slogans like "America's strength lies in her diversity" and words like multicultural (an oxymoron) and race-sensative are becoming more conventional. The concept and definition of "political correctness" is another example of divisive and offensive assaults on the united strength of American culture.

Language distortion is a primary goal and inegral part of the socialist assault on the USA, sole remaining stronghold of individualism, capitalism, liberty, Christianity and personal wealth. Once the adhesive American culture can be sufficiently weakened by inferior education, structureless families, the distortion and re-writing of textbooks and dictionaries, sexual promiscuity, mainstreamed homosexuality and pornography, divisive racial cultures and the villainization of cultural icons and everything distinctly describing or upholding American Heritage, these unifying ties which congeal us all into a great society are ready to collapse. Uncontrolled immigration and legal attacks by socialist activist lawyers and courts on every unifying institution or tradition which holds them together as one can then finally tear away the fabric, corrode the foundation and finally destroy all of these institutions and traditions. Discoloring and attacking the unifying concepts of nationalism and patriotism, once ensconced firmly in two succeeding generations will then obliterate the only remaining qualities preventing them from becoming the last piece of the "family of socialist nations".

English as the "OFFICIAL LANGUAGE".

No English... no diploma.

No English... no citizenship.

No English... no government assistance beyond temporary emergency situations.

No English... no driver's licence (ya gotta be able to read and obey signs).


AND NO FRINKLING HYPHENS!!

[PatrickHenry]

DY, How about siezing other countries, is that a result of America's socialism , or is that naked Neo Empire? I refer to the Kingdom of Hawaii, a peaceful ally and trading partner, siezed in the period 1893-1898. (or Iraq 2003?)
Try this site:
http://hawaii-nation.org/
As for english... every country needs an official language or two, but you are right in contending for american english as a unifier.

[Impenitent]

nothing new about "siezing other countries"... ask the Cherokee

[Suburbanite]

Desert-Yankee the sign's-shape in other-countries are the-same as-they-are-here, so they-don't need to read-in-English.

[RightThinker]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,)
Desert-Yankee the sign's-shape in other-countries are the-same as-they-are-here, so they-don't need to read-in-English.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Actually they are not. Stop signs in Aruba are circular. I wouldn't go as far as him. They can recieve what any American can. I just do not think we need to spend time and money hiring interpreters and making special forms in Spanish. I have no problem with someone not wanting to learn english since it is none of my concern. Neither is it my concern when they cant read their W-2 forms or any other government document and they go to jail for tax evasion and the like.

[Suburbanite]

Wouldn't you rather get their taxes?

[StevenDuerringer]

I find almost all of your rhetoric entirely offensive. The idea that the American experiment with diversity is in any way a socialist sub-text for the destruction of the American way of life is ridiculous. Diversity in America stands as the last bastion of hope that humans can go beyond their petty differences and live together in a constructive society. The type of rhetoric you perpetuate is the same rhetoric that Slobodan Milosevic used to incite Serbs to kill their Bosniac neighbors. It's the same type of rhetoric that Basque Separatist use to argue for the creating of an independent Muslim nation of Spain. Its the same rhetoric that Rwandans used to justify their genocide and its not rhetoric we should accept as valid argumentation.

[E-dizzouble]

I know that in the early years of this country, the states themselves were charged with selecting their own official language. At the time, there was some debate about choosing German to be the standard of my state, Pennsylvania, but the delegated officials chose to hold to English because they felt a different language would turn out to be a strongly divisive element in terms of national coherency. If you want to see if their argument holds any legitimacy, take a look at Canada. Quebec is drastically different in culture and language from the rest of the nation, and this has caused many political complications.

I also personally feel that anyone looking to work in America should have at least some basic command of conversational English. I remember my cousing telling me once that she couldn't even get a job in a grocery store deli in Floriday because she had little knowlege of Spanish. Talk about a joke.

[Suburbanite]

I believe people should have the freedom to speak how they wish. If they can't speak english, it will have its toll. There aren't any Americans who can't speak English making for than 75K a year.

[commonsense]

Except for college professors.

If no other reason, (and there are many) English should be the national language because our sacred Founding Documents are in English.
The unique and rich culture of Individual Freedom, Equality of Opportunity (and not forced "egality of outcome" , Justice, Limited Governmental Power, and protection of the right to own property and to enter into contracts, is at the core everything good we can point to in the world, and the result of this philosophy is what still makes this corrupted land the destination of the world's oppressed.
The world's poor, tired, huddled masses deserve to be able to read that philosophy in its untranslated original language in order to best receive and preserve its humanitarian promise.
(I speak three languages fluently) and am seeking a career in bilingual education when i graduate.

[Suburbanite]

How many college professors are there that can't speak english?

[Impenitent]

millions...

in fact there are more college professors who do not speak english than there are that do...

america is not the only country with colleges

[finley31]

If Americans spoke English............ever listened to an English person speaking English? Then you would know we have bastardized it to fit our lifes and in America we speak American. So if you are really speaking of the colour of your flats douche then its English for you, but, if you are telling me about the color of your apartments shower then realize you live in a republic that speaks American

[commonsense]

U.S. Academia (and public school systems) are actively recruiting immigrants, and altering (lowering) job eligibility standards in the hopes of increasing their crop of ready-made socialists with those from other countries with little or no history of self-rule and little or no knowledge of American history and founding principles, who are glad to receive teachers pay and guaranteed citizenship.

State standards requiring foreign language instruction for all grade levels by deadlines that cannot be reached any other means were designed as a mask for this purpose.

I am a native american foreign language teaching student. I know.

[Suburbanite]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (finley31,)
If Americans spoke English............ever listened to an English person speaking English?  Then you would know we have bastardized it to fit our lifes and in America we speak American.  So if you are really speaking of the colour of your flats douche then its English for you, but, if you are telling me about the color of your apartments shower then realize you live in a republic that speaks American<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

That is bullshit. We clearly have a better dialect established than the Brits do. For one thing, the wealthier the British person, the closer to our accent they speak. The poor guys sound like hackney weirdoes, but the queen's accent is more than distinguishable. The fact is, the entire vocal patterns we focus on are also superior. It is clear that when a British person talks keeping saliva, and whatever else, in their mouth is much more difficult because the circumference of their mouths are always wider to accommodate for the accent. Standard American Accents are infinitely less abrasive in pronunciation as well and creates a more flowing language less bound by Germanic linguistics and more open to a Latin root, which always sounds more appealing. German vs French, which is the language of love, and which is the language of Hitler? Lol.

[Suburbanite]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
millions...

in fact there are more college professors who do not speak english than there are that do...

america is not the only country with colleges<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

touche

[finley31]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (finley31,)
If Americans spoke English............ever listened to an English person speaking English?  Then you would know we have bastardized it to fit our lifes and in America we speak American.   So if you are really speaking of the colour of your flats douche then its English for you, but, if you are telling me about the color of your apartments shower then realize you live in a republic that speaks American<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

That is bullshit. We clearly have a better dialect established than the Brits do. For one thing, the wealthier the British person, the closer to our accent they speak. The poor guys sound like hackney weirdoes, but the queen's accent is more than distinguishable. The fact is, the entire vocal patterns we focus on are also superior. It is clear that when a British person talks keeping saliva, and whatever else, in their mouth is much more difficult because the circumference of their mouths are always wider to accommodate for the accent. Standard American Accents are infinitely less abrasive in pronunciation as well and creates a more flowing language less bound by Germanic linguistics and more open to a Latin root, which always sounds more appealing. German vs French, which is the language of love, and which is the language of Hitler? Lol.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>



YO youse mean to tell me the bronx accent is superior......or a bostonian's anyway i was not refering to the accents I was referring to the idioms we have created that make the "English" in America much different than true English. Listen to a immigrant who has learned English they speak far differently than an American. Just as the "Spainish" that is spoken in Mexico is vastly different than the language spoken in Spain

[Write Winger]

I don't think anyone should be forced to speak any language in particular...but they shouldn't complain about their economic status if they don't...just as I would never move to Mexico and complain that all the forms weren't in English.

[Poetic_Justice]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
USA, sole remaining stronghold of individualism, capitalism, liberty, Christianity and personal wealth.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
Perhaps this is off-topic, but if this is such a stronghold of individualism, then why are you proposing such a conformity-only idea of the USA? Christianity is not meant to be controlled by a state, it is an individual stronghold, not something that can be built by a state.

And the socialist and stifling militaristic policies of the USA could hardly show it as a bastion for individuality. As for capitalism, Cato and Mises are both very impressive, but in my province we have the Fraser Institute which is on par with them, and I'm sure there are many other such institutes scattered in Europe.

As for liberty, my province was shown by a recent study to be the tenth most free province/state in North America. Granted, every other Canadian province finished in te 50's (Only West Virginia was less free than another Canadian province either than mine) but I'd say that shows that the USA is not the ONLY bastion of freedom. Certainly there are many places like the Cayman Islands and Switzerland which still espouse freedom.

[commonsense]

I'd be interested in reading that study. Can you find a link?
Certainly the U.S. "War on Drugs" is an affront to freedom, never mind an economic and human tragedy...
Canada certainly has its charms, but I'd like to see the study's logic that can determine a "freedom scale" differentiating between places in North America where you can legally, light-up a doobie but can't pack a pistol or buy porn...