Kerry to push for Nuclear Option

[Mr.Vicchio]

Just read over on the Drudge Report that John Kerry is going to call for a filibuster of Judge Alito. This is mostly due to serious pressure on the Democrats by thier special interest groups to act, since the DNC failed, and I might add miserably, in the hearings with Alito. They are demanding a filibuster, because they fear, absolutely fear a Supreme Court that doesn't have the type of Judges they require. Ruth Bader Ginsberg for example. Alito would never say, look to foriegn law to decide a case, this bothers these groups. He might, Gasp! Rule against Roe Vs. Wade as bad law. And as we know, 45 Million Abortions in 30 years isn't enough, so they are against the man.

Kerry is not acting on any real principle, he's just trying to curry favor with the rabid base, if he were to somehow cobble the 41 votes needed to bring up a Filibuster, all that would happen is the GOP pushing the nuclear button. If they don't get the 41 votes together, he still wins with the rabid base by showing "strong leadership" in doing what they demand he do.


This is gonna be funny to watch.

[RickSp]

I see you continue to get your news from the bottom of a bird cage.

The New York Times recommended a filibuster this morning.
Senators in Need of a Spine

Judge Samuel Alito Jr., whose entire history suggests that he holds extreme views about the expansive powers of the presidency and the limited role of Congress, will almost certainly be a Supreme Court justice soon. His elevation will come courtesy of a president whose grandiose vision of his own powers threatens to undermine the nation's basic philosophy of government — and a Senate that seems eager to cooperate by rolling over and playing dead. It is hard to imagine a moment when it would be more appropriate for senators to fight for a principle. Even a losing battle would draw the public's attention to the import of this nomination. Judge Alito's refusal to even pretend to sound like a moderate was telling because it would have cost him so little. Chief Justice John Roberts Jr., who was far more skillful at appearing mainstream at the hearings, has already given indications that whatever he said about the limits of executive power when he was questioned by the Senate has little practical impact on how he will rule now that he has a lifetime appointment. Senate Democrats, who presented a united front against the nomination of Judge Alito in the Judiciary Committee, seem unwilling to risk the public criticism that might come with a filibuster — particularly since there is very little chance it would work. Judge Alito's supporters would almost certainly be able to muster the 60 senators necessary to put the nomination to a final vote. A filibuster is a radical tool. It's easy to see why Democrats are frightened of it. But from our perspective, there are some things far more frightening. One of them is Samuel Alito on the Supreme Court.

I still find it ironic that conservatives who traditionally at least gave lip-service to the idea of smaller government can support a man so dedicated to the expansion and centralization of government power. I think Keith has nailed it - the right wing has become the Riech Wing after all.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Uhm, I see you haven't really gotten with the progam have you?

The Neew York Times has had a 41% fall off in cirulation. I think the above shows why. Yes, Molly Ivins and the like are far left, and guess what, they called for ANY senator on the left to push for a filibuster, which is EXACTLY what I said was the problem.

The special interest rabble of the left, so disgusted by the Dems performance during the Alito hearings have demanded a filibuster. So, Kerry waited, looked around, and took the flag they held out to the whomever would step up and take it.

Have you, RiskSp, any idea how leftwing the NY Timesis in general, but most specifically the editorial section? That's why less and less people are reading that rag.

Thank you sir, for proving my point, it's fun when that happens.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: RickSp I see you continue to get your news from the bottom of a bird cage. The New York Times recommended a filibuster this morning. Senators in Need of a Spine I still find it ironic that conservatives who traditionally at least gave lip-service to the idea of smaller government can support a man so dedicated to the expansion and centralization of government power. I think Keith has nailed it - the right wing has become the Riech Wing after all.

Chillingly amusing to see a jab concerning smaller government from one who does not seem to evidence at least a hint of concern that a news organization should feel itself in position to tell the Senate what to do.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Apeman81 Chillingly amusing to see a jab concerning smaller government from one who does not seem to evidence at least a hint of concern that a news organization should feel itself in position to tell the Senate what to do.

LOL. Every editorial page of every newspaper expresses the opinion of the editors and that includes making recommendations to government, be it local, state or federal. You really should read newspapers every now and then Ape. Might learn something.

And Mr.V your ranting about the New York Times is pretty funny for someone who quotes the Drudge Report as a source. Using such language about the home of Judith Miller and the paper that covered up Bush's illegal wiretapping for a full year through the Presidential election, sure sounds like disloyalty to the President to me. Better watch yourself.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Uhm. hey Rick, the drudge report is often just a central huub of news. And 9 times out of 10, they beat the MSM to the punch on a story.


I love you're repeating the talking points of Dean on Alito. Do you know what Alito's position REALLY is on limited roles of Congress, the courts, and the "expansive role" of the Preisdent?

[RickSp]

As I said before, your sources seem to come from the bottom of bird cages, yet you brag about them. Your problem, not mine.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Funny, RickSp, today, Kerry is looking stupid, the New York Times is only echoing the needs of the left wing base...

Everything I said, above, was legit, you just cannot see it being blinded as you are by your hate of Bush, and anything that might show you to be wrong.

Kerry jumped the gun pandering to the special interest of the left, and the New York Times played their tune.

[bishop]

kerry's definitely a joke at this point. this casts some cold water on his idea of running for the presidency again.

[RickSp]

Quote by: bishop kerry's definitely a joke at this point. this casts some cold water on his idea of running for the presidency again.

I think Kerry is a complete jerk. This doesn't change how dangerous Alito is to what is left of this republic. As destructive as Bush is to fundamental American principles, Alito could be even worse in his lifetime appointment. It says nothing good about the spineless creatures who call themselves Democrats that Kerry is th eonly one willing to stand up and call for direct action.

[bishop]

maybe it's my naivete, but i'm not awfully worried about alito. he's definitely not my first pick, but the destruction of civil liberties is something long in the making - i'm not about to crucify him over something that should be blamed on the entire establishment.

anyways.. most of bush's other suggested nominees were definitely worthy of being filibustered... i don't think that alito exactly qualifies as someone who should be filibustered.. just my opinion of course..

[underbear1]

Senate minority party is the only power to stand in the way of tyranical rule of the majority. It doesn't take a superhuman effort to stop Alito's confirmation, we are only demanding you do your DAMN JOB!
Mark Dayton, Kerry and Leahy were brilliant in the Senate today, and Hillary's office joyfully announced she will support the filibuster. Byrd and Conrad (D-ND) are traitorous Democrats and will be trampled by REAL Democrat challengers in the next election.

[Apeman81]

Sure! Let's make History and filibuster a Judge's nomination.

You won't see it happen.

[underbear1]

We'll see on Monday, and I wouldn't want to be a "moderate pro-choice" Republican this week end, and I especially wouldn't want to be on their staffs fielding calls.

[RickSp]

As a Reagan administration lawyer his views on presidential power bordered on the dictatorial. Which side of the border is open to debate. Our current president is already claiming effectively unlimited power as Commander in Chief under Section I of Article II of the Constution. Any additional movement toward concentration of presidential power is disturbing at best.

[underbear1]

Republicans shot themselves in the foot with their VERY public assignation of Harriet Mier's nomination, when they wouldn't even allow her a Judiciary Hearing. "Throw Momma from the train" stunt, is giving Democrats plenty of ammno to dump Alito.

[underbear1]

If Republicans are crazy enough to trigger the nuclear option, let's see how they like it wielded by a Democrat majority NEXT SESSION. "what's good for the goose is good for the gander"
Now where did I put that picnic basket for Thomas,( it's packed with artery clogging fried chicken, and pork rinds?)

[Mr.Vicchio]

Man, you crack me up! Filibuster Alito? Ain't gonna happen. Not today, not tomorrow, come Tuesday, he'll be on the Supreme Court.

And why the outrage? Why the freaking out? Because Alito isn't likely to be a Bryar, or ginsburg. And you guys cannot STAND that.

All we need now is one more supreme court judge to step down, Ginsburg would be my choice to have replaced, and maybe we can get a court that doesn't screw up lie it did so badly with Kelo case for example.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: underbear1 If Republicans are crazy enough to trigger the nuclear option, let's see how they like it wielded by a Democrat majority NEXT SESSION. "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" Now where did I put that picnic basket for Thomas,( it's packed with artery clogging fried chicken, and pork rinds?)

How can the Republican majority make the democrat minority start and maintain a filibuster?

[SteveA]

I won't comment on Alito but fillibusters are appropriate when a minority concern is large. It basically evens the tables a bit if a few people feel motivated enough to filibuster. How many times had we hoped Republicans would fillibuster something when the Democrats were running the show? If Democrats feel something is important enough then they should do it. Worse comes to worse, Congress stops doing anything for a little while until either people get tired or they find a better consensus.