Kerry to push for Nuclear Option

[Clarence]

I say overturn Roe. Get it over with. At least these criminals will have done one thing they promised their voters. Not that most of the die hards actually care. This is all really about the supreme court. They're in, now. First on the agenda? not abortion. suckers. making me sick with worry for freedom and peace.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Clarence I say overturn Roe. Get it over with. At least these criminals will have done one thing they promised their voters. Not that most of the die hards actually care. This is all really about the supreme court. They're in, now. First on the agenda? not abortion. suckers. making me sick with worry for freedom and peace.

Like maybe overturning Kelo? The last court took imminent domain to a new level. Maybe the new Justice can turn that around.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Apeman81 Like maybe overturning Kelo? The last court took imminent domain to a new level. Maybe the new Justice can turn that around.

Conservatives always make me laugh. The endless whining about "activist judges" "legislating from the bench", blah, blah, blah. Kelo let existing laws stand. The Supreme Court chose not to "litigate from the bench". It was a fine example of "judicial restraint." In the ruling the justices commented on how eminent domain could be addressed by the legislature. Isn't this exactly what the conservatives have been demanding for so long?

The only thing different about Kelo is that instead of shafting poor folks of color as in most eminent domain cases, middle class white folks got shafted. "Judical restrain" is fine unless the ruling doesn't go their way, then the conservatives, go ape, so to speak.

[Mr.Vicchio]

You didn't read the whole post now did you Rick? 1930? Yeah, why don't you READ the whole bit I posted? I read yours, I see what it says, now I ask ya to read all that I posted. It answers the arguement you just posted.

Nice try though.

[underbear1]

The simple solution for pro-choice women, don't have sex with pro-life men.
That will solve the problem by natural selection.Might I add.....good riddance to pro-life men!

[Apeman81]

Quote by: underbear1 The simple solution for pro-choice women, don't have sex with pro-life men. That will solve the problem by natural selection.Might I add.....good riddance to pro-life men!

Because ONLY men are pro-life. Right?

[Apeman81]

Quote by: RickSp Conservatives always make me laugh. The endless whining about "activist judges" "legislating from the bench", blah, blah, blah. Kelo let existing laws stand. The Supreme Court chose not to "litigate from the bench". It was a fine example of "judicial restraint." In the ruling the justices commented on how eminent domain could be addressed by the legislature. Isn't this exactly what the conservatives have been demanding for so long? The only thing different about Kelo is that instead of shafting poor folks of color as in most eminent domain cases, middle class white folks got shafted. "Judical restrain" is fine unless the ruling doesn't go their way, then the conservatives, go ape, so to speak.

Kelo dealt with the interpretation of the scope of the "public use" clause contained in the 5th amendment. I believe the court expanded upon the original meaning of this term, and would like to see it revisited. Nothing about "litigate form the bench", no mention of "judicial restraint", just a belief that the USSC has (Dred Scot, for example) been wrong, and has changed it's mind. I hope they do again.

As for the foolish, “its whitey’s turn to pay” drivel, your apparent appreciation for righting a perceived wrong with another wrong makes very little sense, and offers no support to your position.

Or do you truly believe that the right way to “make up for the past” is to harm those now living that had nothing to do with the actions of those now passed? Do two wrongs make a right?

[RickSp]

Ape, I happen to agree with you that Kelo is a bad decision. It is however exactly what conservatives have been asking for. Kelo agrees with case law and legislation. The conservatives are just pissed off because it threatens them. They never bothered getting too concerned when poor folks got bulldozed.

Kelo and should be addressed by the legislatures of the various states. This is exactly the conservative mantra about Roe. Pity the convos lack the wit to be consistent.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio You didn't read the whole post now did you Rick? 1930? Yeah, why don't you READ the whole bit I posted? I read yours, I see what it says, now I ask ya to read all that I posted. It answers the arguement you just posted. Nice try though.

I read your anti-choice rant. Pretty sad overall. Trustworthy? No doubt we will differ on that point.

I never claimed specific figures for women's deaths due to illegal abortions. One is too many. Not that you or fetus obcessed fantics give a good god damn.

[Samildanach]

The simple solution for pro-choice women, don't have sex with pro-life men. That will solve the problem by natural selection.Might I add.....good riddance to pro-life men!

Unfortunately underbear they will still breed. If you want an example look at the catholic church. all it means is when they get pregnant they have much larger families due to not being allowed to abort. If anything they are becoming more prominent in a breeding sense. They are like ants, every egg hatches if fertilised. :eek:

[Mr.Vicchio]

Uhm, Rick... the number of deaths during an abortion went UP after Roe Vs. Wade.

Up.

You claim to give a damn about the women, yet more died during abortions after it was legalized then before it.

I also note, with no small amount of irony, that you "care" about the life of the woman, but you seem to have no feelings for the 45 million that have died since Roe was passed. Not women, no, just children. I guess innocent children don't matter to you, but those killing them deserve your "care".

[RickSp]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio I also note, with no small amount of irony, that you "care" about the life of the woman, but you seem to have no feelings for the 45 million that have died since Roe was passed. Not women, no, just children. I guess innocent children don't matter to you, but those killing them deserve your "care".

I can tell a fetus from a child. You obviously cannot.

[underbear1]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Uhm, Rick... the number of deaths during an abortion went UP after Roe Vs. Wade. Up. You claim to give a damn about the women, yet more died during abortions after it was legalized then before it.I also note, with no small amount of irony, that you "care" about the life of the woman, but you seem to have no feelings for the 45 million that have died since Roe was passed. Not women, no, just children. I guess innocent children don't matter to you, but those killing them deserve your "care".

PROVE this claim that more women have died after abortion became legal......it's a LIE (IMO)

[underbear1]

Quote by: Apeman81 Quote by: underbear1 The simple solution for pro-choice women, don't have sex with pro-life men. That will solve the problem by natural selection.Might I add.....good riddance to pro-life men! Because ONLY men are pro-life. Right?

NO there are pro-life women, but even they vary on when abortion might be acceptable, when the mother's life is at risk, or in the cases of rape and incest.
The VAST majority of women believe the government doesn't make their reproductive choices THEY DO! So if a minority of women want to sleep with pro-life men, they will still stay a small minority of bitter little runts like Randall Terry, butting into people's wombs and end of life decisions.That sick a$$hole even condoned bombing abortion clinics......who's life did he cherish then?

[underbear1]

The pro-lifers care about life from conception to birth........that's where their compassion ENDS!
Starve, get dumped in 30 foster homes, get raped and abused, live in stinking poverty with addict mothers.......they don't want to see it, and they sure as hell don't want to pay taxes to fix any of it!

[underbear1]

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5103a1.htm

From 1993 through 1997 (years for which data have not been published previously and the most recent years for which such data are available), 36 women died as a result of complications from known legal induced abortion, and three deaths were associated with known illegal abortion. The annual case-fatality rate of legal induced abortion ranged from 0.3 to 0.8 abortion-related deaths per 100,000 reported legal induced abortions.

Interpretation: From 1990 through 1995, the number of abortions declined each year; in 1996, the number increased slightly, but in 1997, it declined to its lowest level since 1978. In 1998, the number of abortions continued to decrease when comparing the 48 reporting areas. In 1997, as in previous years, deaths related to legal induced abortions occurred rarely.

I have also read a study that spontaneous abortions vs. induced abortions have almost identical fatality figures. There are risks when a woman aborts, but those risks are not dependent on whether the abotion is induced or not.
I'd like to know how you intend to find accurate death-rates for illegal abortions, because many were self-induced and may not have been reported.Only the deaths in back-alley clinics probably got somewhat reported, but I'd bet most women in emergency rooms covered up for those clinics.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: underbear1 The pro-lifers care about life from conception to birth........that's where their compassion ENDS! Starve, get dumped in 30 foster homes, get raped and abused, live in stinking poverty with addict mothers.......they don't want to see it, and they sure as hell don't want to pay taxes to fix any of it!

Whatever happened to the people who created the child taking the responsibility to raise the child? Just what activities have the pro-abortion crowd engaged in to bring this about? What do they care about? Screw anybody, anywhere, any way, any time. No worries, no responsibility. Just keep screwing!

[underbear1]

Quote by: Apeman81 Quote by: underbear1 The pro-lifers care about life from conception to birth........that's where their compassion ENDS! Starve, get dumped in 30 foster homes, get raped and abused, live in stinking poverty with addict mothers.......they don't want to see it, and they sure as hell don't want to pay taxes to fix any of it! Whatever happened to the people who created the child taking the responsibility to raise the child? Just what activities have the pro-abortion crowd engaged in to bring this about? What do they care about? Screw anybody, anywhere, any way, any time. No worries, no responsibility. Just keep screwing!

If the woman carrying this fetus doesn't want to carry it to term, and meddlesome pro-coathanger folks force her to, then it is their damn responsibility what happens after that child is born, otherwise it wouldn't have been born.

Screw anybody, anywhere, any way, any time.

My screwing,(and might I add what a vulgar term for that remarkably pleasurable act) doesn't result in fetuses, I don't do it anywhere, it's private, and certainly NOT with just anyone.......I'm VERY selective.I also practice safe sex, so no fluids are exchanged.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: RickSp I can tell a fetus from a child. You obviously cannot.

Life is obviously, something you cannot distinguish. A fetus is alive, a fetus is human, a distinct entity. That it requires the assistance of the mother to reach a mature development point to survive on it's own.

If humans were born from laid eggs, instead of gestation in the womb, would you also be for destroying a fertilized egg?

Just curious

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: underbear1 PROVE this claim that more women have died after abortion became legal......it's a LIE (IMO)

I did prove it. The year Roe was passed there were 24 deaths from abortion. The numbers went UP after that. Try reading (last page I do believe has the proof you demand), it's fundemental to forum debate.