Declared State of Emergency in USA since 1933?

[PatrickHenry]

What broad authorities are these?

Well MAYBE it is the dictatorship authorities that go along with the Oval Office. Is the US a whitewashed dictatorship?

OK, OK. Not in the sense of Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin. In the ultimate AUTHORITY given to one person to make plans, to set policy. If that one individual has all authority, Shouldn't they be truly accountable, too? Shouldn't "The Buck Stops Here" be firmly affixed to the POTUS desk?

[Dieval]

Originally posted by PatrickHenry, Well MAYBE it is the dictatorship authorities that go along with the Oval Office. Is the US a whitewashed dictatorship? OK, OK. Not in the sense of Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin. In the ultimate AUTHORITY given to one person to make plans, to set policy. If that one individual has all authority, Shouldn't they be truly accountable, too? Shouldn't "The Buck Stops Here" be firmly affixed to the POTUS desk?

The "broad authorities" pertain to -

Prohibiting Certain Transactions With Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources

- as it says in Executive Order No. 12957.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Dieval, I'm just not seeing how declaring an emergency to help with the Iranian sanctions is some how removing the constitution from being used.... You can look up these orders in the Federal Register.

The reason for the emergency doesnt matter much. Apparently you can use delusions of mushroom clouds to declare a National Emergency. The important thing is to grab the authoritarian power to
1) Ward off an accounting of domestic and global interests that would throw us back to the stone age. The federal reserve is neither federal, nor is it a reserve. Check out 'The Creature from Jekyll Island', by G. Edward Griffin.
2) The "Broad Authorities" afforded by emergency? include

Federal law provides a variety of powers for the President to use in response to crisis, exigency, or emergency circumstances threatening the nation. Moreover, they are not limited to military or war situations. Some of these authorities, deriving from the Constitution or statutory law, are continuously available to the President with little or no qualification. Others—statutory delegations from Congress—exist on a standby basis and remain dormant until the President formally declares a national emergency.

3) The "legal" annual assassination of the Constitution has thrown us into a de facto dictatorship. Iran and N Korea are the boogeymen/scapegoats insuring future generations will have no Constitution. Once we conquer them, a new axis of evil can be fabricated.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Dieval, Well, first off, the link you posted doesn't match what is actually printed in the Federal register

It seemed to match just fine. One was the official Register the other was a report of that register. I saw no contradiction. In this case the devil isnt in the details, but the big picture. The Nationl Emergency gives the power, not the reason for the emergency.

[Dieval]

How exactly does the President declairing a National Emergency, relating to Iran, assasinate the constitution?
Please show me a specific instance where the "de facto dictatorship", relating to the NE Clinton declared about dealing with Iran, affected citizens of this country?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Dieval, How exactly does the President declairing a National Emergency, relating to Iran, assasinate the constitution?

Iran doesnt matter. It could be a Ham Sandwich

Law Research Groupthe United States went "Bankrupt" in 1933 and was declared so by President Roosevelt by Executive Orders 6073, 6102,6111 and Executive order 6260, [See: Senate Report 93-549, pgs. 187 & 594 under the "Trading With The Enemy Act" [Sixty-fifth Congress, Sess. I, Chs. 105, 106, October 6, 1917]], and as codified at 12 U.S.C.A. 95a.

<snip> I suspect if The State of Emergency ever lapses all debts will be required...... in gold and all we have are these silly "monopoly dollars".

The contrived "emergency" has created numerous abuses and usurpations, and abridgments of delegated Powers of Authority. As stated in Senate Report 93-549: "These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal constitutional process. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens." [See: Foreword, pg III]

Please show me a specific instance where the "de facto dictatorship", relating to the NE Clinton declared about dealing with Iran, affected citizens of this country?

How about the presidents writing law without congress? declaring war without congress? How about appointing Bush 43 president without counting the votes (I know how you feel about this point, and I dont want to get sidetracked). Declaring war and employing the military against citizens in violation of Posse Committatus. There is no Constitution to defend We The People from our own government. We have been declared the enemy. Not just terrorists, all Americans.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gr8fuldaniel,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Iran doesnt matter. It could be a Ham Sandwich[/b]

interesting logic..."Iran doesnt matter"....

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gr8fuldaniel,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> and all we have are these silly "monopoly dollars". [/b]

If you don't want your "monopoly dollars", I'll gladly take them off your hands....shoot me a PM and we'll work something out...
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Please show me a specific instance where the "de facto dictatorship", relating to the NE Clinton declared about dealing with Iran, affected citizens of this country?[/quote]
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How about the presidents writing law without congress? declaring war without congress? How about appointing Bush 43 president without counting the votes (I know how you feel about this point, and I dont want to get sidetracked). Declaring war and employing the military against citizens in violation of Posse Committatus. There is no Constitution to defend We The People from our own government. We have been declared the enemy. Not just terrorists, all Americans.[/quote]
Your arguement here is an assumption that Iran didn't matter at that time....I asked for a specific instance, relating to the emergency Clinton declared, affecting citizens of this country.....you talked about writing laws(still nothing specific), declaring war - Did Clinton declare war?, declaring Bush Presiden - so are you saying that Clinton declared Bush President?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gr8fuldaniel,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Declaring war and employing the military against citizens in violation of Posse Committatus.[/b]

I was referring to Waco, Texas. Ronald Reagan also attacked peaceful protestors at a sit-in with the National Guard. These are only 2 unconstitutional acts of war on Americans with the military.

There is no Constitution to defend We The People from our own government. We have been declared the enemy. Not just terrorists, all Americans.

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Your arguement here is an assumption that Iran didn't matter at that time....[/quote]No actually my argument is that if it werent Iran, it would have been another reason: Pastrami, maybe. Iran may or may not have been a suitable excuse. My argument is that National Emergency HAD to be declared by March 9 of every year. If we had more transparency in government, it wouldnt be shrouded in mystery.

I asked for a specific instance, relating to the emergency Clinton declared, affecting citizens of this country.....you talked about writing laws(still nothing specific),

Executive Orders are Un Constitutional. IMO, (and maybe in fact). Thats giving too much power to one man. We have a Congress for a reason. Since Clinton served 2 terms, I would say he declared 8 National Emergencies (or renewed the prior ones) Clinton was the worst abuser of Executive Order, He combined many Executive orders from previous presidents into one: Executive Order 12919.

On June 3, 1994, President Bill Clinton signed an executive order that consolidated the powers set forth in a number of executive orders that were issued by his predecessors.2

declaring war - Did Clinton declare war?,

Yes, Waco Texas, against a church.

declaring Bush Presiden - so are you saying that Clinton declared Bush President?

No, the Supreme court declared Bush President. It was an unconstitutional action. If our Constitution were not dormant due to perpetual National Emergency(declared by Clinton that year), it would never be allowed. I am an amateur at all this, if someone else can do better feel free to jump in. :)

[gr8fuldaniel]

Do you see what I am saying?
Which particular National Emergency, is not important, as long as any National Emergency must be declared, annually, to perpetuate a state of authoritarian rule. The broad sweeping powers that come with the stroke of the pen (not the emergency itself) are the actual power that is shifted from the Constitution to the Executive office. Hence power is shifted from the Congress to the President.
This is because the Oligarchy does not want the power shifted from their control, over to the other two houses where its power would be diluted or nullified by a rational meeting of the minds. Easier to control the mighty sword of the pen of one simpleton, planted puppet; than a slew of lawmakers with the best interests of the many at heart. Have you noticed your president select seems to favor the elite mega-wealthy? This is to keep the many in virtual slavery. Have you noticed the dominance of decisions favoring corporate welfare, the best example may be the pharmaceuticals industry. These people are holding health (and life itself) hostage with exorbitant drug prices...This is allowed to happen by our evil dictator by refusing to allow competition to establish market value. Our corporate controlled White House is partner to this crime against humanity by declaring "Terrorists threaten to tamper with import drugs". I am waiting for them to declare; If you buy import drugs you are supporting terrorism! The Insurance industry is another huge problem.

[gr8fuldaniel]

The whole Left-Right circus is only for show. So the sheeple will think there is something legitimate going on in Washington D.C.
WE are given candidates, friendly to the oligarchy. The whole election process is staged to keep the sheeple docile and believing they actually have a say in who is chosen to lead them. Steamy pile of crap. We must rise up to insist on a democracy such as that defined by our Constsitution. Hold them accountable for the National Emergency lies. Restore the Constitution, it is not dead, but hibernating. For 70 years.

[gr8fuldaniel]

3 Things I hope we never need to know:

1)Martial Law 2) American Prison Camps

3) Model State Emergency Health Powers Act

[PatrickHenry]

Trouble with emergency health powers: You gotta trust the government for it to work. If the public trust isn't there, there will be resistance to quarantine and detention. If government was trustworthy, citizens would know that public efforts along these lines were in the public interest. But they have lied so much...

I fear them. I feel they are capable of doing anything including faking a health threat to initiate a detention process. Or maybe they will release a real plague on us. It is my opinion that Big Brother does not care about a few million measly human lives.

[Compugasm]

This is my tin-hat moment again:
[tin-hat]
* The FDA is lying.
* Stop eating diary products.
* Learn basic survival skills or starve.
* Learn self sufficientcy - carpentry, plumbing, electrical skills.
* Plan on living in the desert.
* Train in the use of small arms.
* Stop watching TV.
[/tin-hat]

Your very life will depend on these things.

[PatrickHenry]

Huh?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by Compugasm,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Compugasm,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>This is my tin-hat moment again: [tin-hat] [/b]

"Let me borrow your hat for a minute, even though I dont think these are too far fetched, others may feel we should wear protective head gear"

Originally posted by bugsy+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bugsy)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> * The FDA is lying. [/b]

Yup, check out this litte movie: Contaminated. Beware lunch meat, too. Check this out: The Meatrix (Must see) Tin foil hat will not purify your food. [helpful hint] If you say thanks for your food, God wont let it be a curse to you. [/helpful hint]

GNN: Starlink invades MexicoStarlink Corn Invades Mexico U.S. Consumers First to be Affected In September 2000, a year before the spread of GM corn to Mexico was confirmed, a coalition of U.S. activist groups announced that fast food chain Taco Bell's tortillas contained traces of a GM corn.7 The variety in question, called Starlink, contained Cry9C, a bacterial protein that is not broken down by the human digestive system, and is therefore a potential allergen. However, U.S. authorities approved Starlink for consumption by cattle.

Originally posted by bugsy * Stop eating diary products.

Beware, during corporate -controlled Republican administrations, regulations are lax and pasteurization is not so important, but expensive to mega-corporate farms. Beware when the pirates are at the helm of our country.

Originally posted by bugsy * Learn basic survival skills or starve.

I agree, the cities will concievably be hot beds of chaos, or totally suppressed under Marshall Law. Get away from it all. Have a pack ready with fresh filtered water handy. Fishing tackle, learn to trap, hunt with bow, etc. Have sharp knife and stone. Very important.

Originally posted by bugsy * Learn self sufficientcy - carpentry, plumbing, electrical skills.

Yup, yup, city life has a way of softening that part of the brain. I am a plumber by trade. I have always been a handyman. We are making enemies all over the world with our pre-emptive foreign affairs policies. If we are bombed do you want a roof and plumbing?

Originally posted by bugsy * Plan on living in the desert.

Been there done that. I have been homeless and lived outdoors for many years of my life. Those skills may be valuable with what we are facing. Our religous fanatic leaders are trying to bring Christ back with steps toward Armegeddon. Intentionally! Sick Bastages
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* Train in the use of small arms.[/quote] Oh yeah. I hope I never need to use it, but I am prepared.
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* Stop watching TV. [/tin-hat]Your very life will depend on these things.[/quote] Absolutely. I understand within a few seconds of "tuning in" to TV, we enter a state of hypnotism, whereby we are susceptible to suggestion on a subliminal level. Zombies Unite! I was just reading a very cool quote on this last night. If I find it I will post it. Anyhow, with an Executive Order, the state can comandere all forms of media. They want us sheeple herded into trains, to take us to "safe" places. They will use powerful psych measures to control us. [/tin-hat]

[gr8fuldaniel]

This is interesting:

The Price of Liberty The Constitution Is Not The Answer By Michael Gaddy OpEds Editor For those who truly cherish liberty, it is reality check time. If nothing else, our history should have taught us that, regardless of how much we yearn for the adherence to the Constitution, the true blueprint for freedom is not to be found there. If the Constitution truly had the built in protections to prevent opportunistic politicians from abusing it, we would not be in the mess we are today. There is a very good reason the Patriot who said, “give me liberty or give me death” refused to sign that document. <snip>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Those who love power and its trappings and are willing to kill as many as necessary to have that power, will never allow themselves to be restrained by the Constitution. Mason and Henry, through their efforts, were able to obtain a “Bill of Rights” added to the Constitution. Our greatest problem is: the Constitution has allowed those in government to be the arbiters of these “rights.” This is analogous to allowing the Mafia to amend criminal law. For those of us who seek freedom and liberty, we must come to the realization that our Constitution will never allow us those most cherished rights. It was never designed for that purpose. More....

This next article was referred to in the last article

Objections to This Constitution of Government Manuscript written on the verso of the Committee of Style draft of the U.S. Constitution by GEORGE MASON (1725-1792) in the Chapin Library, Williams College: There is no Declaration of Rights, and the Laws of the general Government being paramount to the Laws & Constitutions of the several States, the Declarations of Rights in the separate States are no Security. Nor are the People secured even in the Enjoyment of the Benefits of the common Law. In the House of Representatives, there is not the Substance, but the Shadow only of Representation; which can never produce proper Information in the Legislature, or inspire Confidence in the People; the Laws will therefore be generally made by men little concern'd in, and unacquainted with their Effects and Consequences. The Senate have the Power of altering all money Bills, and of originating appropriations of money, & the Sallerys of the Officers of their own Appointment, in Conjunction with the president of the United States; altho' they are not the Representatives of the People, or amenable to them. More...

So, I guess we need a reconstitution of some sort to address protections of the people from the aristocrasy.
The threat is not only to "We the People" of America, the greed reaches to other shores. Where is our National Guard when other nations come to exact punishment on "We the People" for the sins of our ruling corporate elite?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Shouldnt our constitution be somewhat impervious to complete annihilation by the stroke of a pen by some uneducated corporate shill?

Edit to add this Link because I want to come back to it later. Peace!

[Compugasm]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Shouldnt our constitution be somewhat impervious to complete annihilation by the stroke of a pen by some uneducated corporate shill?

Come on now, George Washington is long since dead.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Wrong George W.
Silly Compugasm. :)

Damn, I thought this (The Price of Liberty) would provoke the ire of both sides of the aisle, as well as the radical middle.

[PatrickHenry]

I think there is a danger here, and so does John Dean, Nixon's lawyer (now reformed.)
He wrote this in 2002:
FindLaw's Writ - Dean: Presidential Powers In Times Of Emergency

At present, the President has opted to exercise only a few of his emergency powers. Under the National Emergencies Act, at this time, he is only utilizing provisions relating to the military. Will the President choose to use additional powers? It depends on the future. Because we don't know what shape this undeclared war on terrorism will take, we can't know what powers this president - or any successor - might need to cope with the problems of terrorism. An American President, should he need them, possesses awesome powers. Those powers potentially include what political scientists have described as the powers of a "constitutional dictatorship." No President has ever had to go that far - although they have come close. Now, however, it is not difficult to conceive of scenarios where terrorist groups, hell-bent on our destruction and refusing to abide by any known rules of war, could employ weapons of mass destruction or bio-terrorism in a manner that could threaten our existence as a nation. What happens then?

Of course Mr. Dean does not share my dislike and fear of the Federals, even if he shares my distrust. He was, after all, a cog in that mighty wheel...

We've been blessed with strong presidents in times of national crisis. They were men who demonstrated a capacity for leadership, and men who acted undemocratically, but only to preserve our democracy. We've been fortunate, for the distinction between a "constitutional dictator" and a strong president is remarkably thin, if not non-existent. As Writ columnist Michael Dorf has noted, there are few checks on our Commander in Chief.

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